Topic: Dani Pacheco

[soberphobia]

Won't read too much into it; was probably for the shop window (in hindsight the appearances probably decreased his value).

can you decrease from nothing? No one wants him because of his obscene wages. I fear we will pay someone off to take him.

[john_mac]

can you decrease from nothing? No one wants him because of his obscene wages. I fear we will pay someone off to take him.

to be fair, it looks as though Pacheco has, unable to secure a club even on a fraction of Cole's wages. Still RAWK know best.

Its a surprise to me too, but for whatever reason, its not working out for him.

[Veinticinco de Mayo]

to be fair, it looks as though Pacheco has, unable to secure a club even on a fraction of Cole's wages. Still RAWK know best.

Its a surprise to me too, but for whatever reason, its not working out for him.

That's pretty much where I am too John.  I thought he was a real prospect and I liked what I saw of him. I would absolutely love it if he came good for us.  However the blind faith in here in the face of all the evidence to the contrary is utterly bewildering.

[tanvir]

Why didn't they just release him

[NZ Red]

Bizarre situation - he's always impressed me whenever I've seen him play, he's represented the nation that is currently the best in the world (and producing the best young players in the world) at every youth level, and he fits in with the style of play that our new manager wants to impose (moreover, the inside forward role is actually the exact position he seems to excel at). But our last three managers have shown no intention of playing the lad, and he wasn't even able to get many minutes for a relatively small club on loan last season. Considering his age now, you'd think if he was going to have a proper future with us, we'd have shown more intent on playing him. Confusing and unfortunate situation, but taking the last few points into consideration there must be some reason unbeknownst to us why none of these managers want him.

[Yorkykopite]

Everything about Pacheco is bewildering. The most damning thing you can say about him is that no manager - not even Lambert who was absolutely raving about the lad after his debut at Carrow Road - has fancied playing Pacheco. Why? Are they all wrong?

But then on the few occasions Pacheco has played in the first team he's not just done well, but very well. He was excellent on his debut when he was given 20 minutes v Wolves on  the right. He was also very good when we beat Unirea at Anfield. And he turned the game around when we defeated Trabzonspor in Turkey.

How many more games did he feature in for us? I'm not sure but it can't have been many. The one bad game I do remember was the fiasco against Northampton. Hodgson didn't play him again after that. In fact I think that was his last game for Liverpool. The only other times we've seen him in a Red shirt are pre-season friendlies - hardly true tests of what are needed, although, once again, Pacheco has consistently looked one of the brightest players on the pitch.

The whole thing is bewildering. There's clearly something not quite right that overrides the evidence the fans get to see on the pitch itself. If Rodgers - of all people - doesn't fancy him you'd have to say that there's not much hope for the lad.  But it will always be a mystery to us until a manager finally says what's wrong.

[Passmaster Molby]

That's pretty much where I am too John.  I thought he was a real prospect and I liked what I saw of him. I would absolutely love it if he came good for us.  However the blind faith in here in the face of all the evidence to the contrary is utterly bewildering.

I think what has hurt Dani's chances with us over the last couple of seasons is that he is a deep lying striker/man in the hole type of player, and neither Kenny or Roy fancied him in their system. Now he has Rodgers as manager, in his 4-3-3 he neither has the ability to play as a lone striker, nor the pace to be a wide forward. It's a shame but he would be better suited at a club who play a system like 4-2-3-1 and who don't rely so much on pace up top.

[ryan125]

I really like Pacheco. No he's nothing special but he has a good touch, is a good dribbler, links up well with Enrique (and he can't seem to forge a partnership with anyone), can mix it up by staying out wide in working in between the lines, tracks back...

Just give him a chance Rodgers! He did ok in America... He's better than the likes of Morgan and Eccleston who have featured more than him anyway imo.

Yup.

[ryan125]

I think what has hurt Dani's chances with us over the last couple of seasons is that he is a deep lying striker/man in the hole type of player, and neither Kenny or Roy fancied him in their system. Now he has Rodgers as manager, in his 4-3-3 he neither has the ability to play as a lone striker, nor the pace to be a wide forward. It's a shame but he would be better suited at a club who play a system like 4-2-3-1 and who don't rely so much on pace up top.

Yeah, been thinking the same. Still his level of game intelligence and movement gets him into good positions. Like a younger Maxi IMO. He's got to be in the squad...surely!?

[ryan125]

That's pretty much where I am too John.  I thought he was a real prospect and I liked what I saw of him. I would absolutely love it if he came good for us.  However the blind faith in here in the face of all the evidence to the contrary is utterly bewildering.

I guess it comes down to what you consider 'evidence'. If evidence is managers choosing not to play him then maybe he's not good enough. But if every time he plays he looks like one of the best players, then surely that would be evidence of him being successful? He's definitely better than Joe Cole so....

[didi shamone]

Yeah, been thinking the same. Still his level of game intelligence and movement gets him into good positions. Like a younger Maxi IMO. He's got to be in the squad...surely!?

He doesn't, and don't call me Shirley.

Sorry couldn't resist .

[kcbworth]

Everything about Pacheco is bewildering. The most damning thing you can say about him is that no manager - not even Lambert who was absolutely raving about the lad after his debut at Carrow Road - has fancied playing Pacheco. Why? Are they all wrong?

But then on the few occasions Pacheco has played in the first team he's not just done well, but very well. He was excellent on his debut when he was given 20 minutes v Wolves on  the right. He was also very good when we beat Unirea at Anfield. And he turned the game around when we defeated Trabzonspor in Turkey.

How many more games did he feature in for us? I'm not sure but it can't have been many. The one bad game I do remember was the fiasco against Northampton. Hodgson didn't play him again after that. In fact I think that was his last game for Liverpool. The only other times we've seen him in a Red shirt are pre-season friendlies - hardly true tests of what are needed, although, once again, Pacheco has consistently looked one of the brightest players on the pitch.

The whole thing is bewildering. There's clearly something not quite right that overrides the evidence the fans get to see on the pitch itself. If Rodgers - of all people - doesn't fancy him you'd have to say that there's not much hope for the lad.  But it will always be a mystery to us until a manager finally says what's wrong.

 

[S.Red please]

I kind of feel sorry for him. Rafa always saw something in him. He was begining to get game time under Rafa just before he was sacked. After that it all went to shit for the lad.

I know he hated Hodgson's training methods and whole regime, and I think in the end had a little falling out with the manager. But I don't know why Kenny or Rodgers dont see anything in him, asume its because they think he isn't good enough obviously.

If you're wondering how I know that I met Dani's dad when I stayed in his hometown near Malaga last summer who had plenty of interesting words about his situation at Liverpool.

[Draex]

I kind of feel sorry for him. Rafa always saw something in him. He was begining to get game time under Rafa just before he was sacked. After that it all went to shit for the lad.

I know he hated Hodgson's training methods and whole regime, and I think in the end had a little falling out with the manager. But I don't know why Kenny or Rodgers dont see anything in him, asume its because they think he isn't good enough obviously.

If you're wondering how I know that I met Dani's dad when I stayed in his hometown near Malaga last summer who had plenty of interesting words about his situation at Liverpool.

What I don't get is, he was quality at Norwich and they loved him.  He only really got dropped after one of their attackers went on a completly abnormal scoring streak.

[redoneusa]

Should at the very least be on the bench today. Whether you believe he has "got it" or not we are woefully short of options up top.

[Suareznumber7]

Should at the very least be on the bench today. Whether you believe he has "got it" or not we are woefully short of options up top.

Considering he was on his way out just 2 days ago I can see why the manager wouldn't put him on the bench.  My guess is they are still trying to find a Championship club to take him on loan so he won't be anywhere near the squad until after the loan window closes. 

[King Monkey 23]

Given what we have just witnessed today, would be a travesty not to give him a chance. One of our best players in pre season, always looks a threat, find the situation with him baffling.

[mensor]

I think we all need to get over Pacheco....he is NEVER going to play for Liverpool football club again.

[bigbonedrawky]

I think we all need to get over Pacheco....he is NEVER going to play for Liverpool football club again.

Why though?  thats what we want to know.

[dioufythebrave]

i guess its pretty ominous that he seemingly wasnt even considered for a place on the bench, when we are short of attacking players in the squad, and especially on the bench today

[RyanBabel19]

Wonder how he feels about this whole thing

[rafathegaffa83]

I'd love to see him use the lack of a new forward signing as an opportunity to push his way into the team, but I agree with Yorky, I think Pacheco's chance here, if there ever was one, has pretty much flown regardless.

[Yorkykopite]

I'd love to see him use the lack of a new forward signing as an opportunity to push his way into the team, but I agree with Yorky, I think Pacheco's chance here, if there ever was one, has pretty much flown regardless.

Although one of the great Houdini acts of all time may be in the offing! Pacheco was meant to go. He didn't. Others were meant to arrive. They didn't. The present lot went out today and looked badly short. It's just possible that Rodgers will sit down on Monday morning and look again at all the possible solutions. And it's possible that Pacheco might, at the very least, be part of that calculation. You never know.

[FanaticalRed]

Dani really should be on the bench at the very least but sadly I can't see it happening. It would be madness to loan the lad out but I really wouldn't be surprised if we do.

[Machae]

If Liverpool have no intention in playing him then terminate his contract and pay him his severence, why further stagnate the kids career.

I still harbour the hope there is a place for him and Suso though.

[jackh]

It seems that I share the same thoughts as many others - he's more useful on the bench that a third defender.

Surely, he's going to at least get a seat on the bench for our Europa League matches?!

[rafathegaffa83]

Although one of the great Houdini acts of all time may be in the offing! Pacheco was meant to go. He didn't. Others were meant to arrive. They didn't. The present lot went out today and looked badly short. It's just possible that Rodgers will sit down on Monday morning and look again at all the possible solutions. And it's possible that Pacheco might, at the very least, be part of that calculation. You never know.

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[telekon]

How many more games did he feature in for us? I'm not sure but it can't have been many. The one bad game I do remember was the fiasco against Northampton. Hodgson didn't play him again after that.

He was dreadful in that game, but so were most of the other players. I remember thinking that his performance in that game was one of the worst I've seen since I started watching Liverpool.

Although one of the great Houdini acts of all time may be in the offing! Pacheco was meant to go. He didn't. Others were meant to arrive. They didn't. The present lot went out today and looked badly short. It's just possible that Rodgers will sit down on Monday morning and look again at all the possible solutions. And it's possible that Pacheco might, at the very least, be part of that calculation. You never know.

Makes sense. We could really need someone "unexpected" to shine at this point.

[horne]

they say the the fans of liverpool fc know theyre football....and too many of us have been screeming out for the lad to be given a chance...because the gut feeling says we know he his good..and ive seen too managers get it wrong too...
if you look at the lads ability in isolation...and strip away the  so called 'managers must know more than us scenario'... i would like to see BR grow some balls and give the lad a go...if theyre was ever a time it would make sense its now...
maybe his attitude and ego has ruffled feathers blah blah...i really dont know and have no evidence of this but if it is that,its cause the lad wants to play football...that suggests to me that his attitude is spot the fuck on...big name name players have a right strop when they come off or dont even get a game...so why is it any different?...give the lad a run ...
i can imagine him combining nicely on the edge of the box...zone 14 i think someone called it...with the likes of suarez and sterlin and ste g...borini even...what i do know at  the moment is that the present group up there arent combining right at the moment and a kick up the arse is needed...i dont mean haidryers here neither...just that little seed planted that if youre not doing the bizz,have a break...someone else will take youre place until you do....its a tiny adjustment needed and if dani can be part of that...i think Br would be a nutter not to
its ballsy,its risky,but at the moment....he cant lose....if it comes off...hes succeded were other managers havnt...
if it was me...id throw him in the mix

[lazzathered]

He surely has to get some game time with our current lack of forward options. He could take Gerrard's position in midfield or cut in from the left. He's versatile and scores goals.

Pacheco, Borini and Suarez are all fairly interchangeable with good movement. Although we've yet to see Assaidi in action and Sterling is doing his very best to make himself the first name on the team sheet, Dani should still be given a chance.

I understand if the manager doesn't see him as part of a long term solution but right now we have so few forwards at the club it makes absolutely no sense not to have him at the very least on the bench!

[horne]

if he plays 'centrally' between the lines...he can damge yer ....feeding balls in between, for suarez borini sterlig gerrard...i can see more goal opportunities that way than what i saw today and have been seeing for a few years
that final third is what its all about and we lacked ideas today....its like a hot potato round the edge of the box....everyone playing that one pass too many rather than properly creating something....
every pass is made with the fear of losing posession, rather than really wanting to create that goalscoring opportunity for a mate
once that ball splits the defence and goes in behind....the defence is out the game,
provided its weighted correctly, the keeper shouldnt get there first.
its one on one with the keeper
dani has that ability to spot the pass and weight it right...

[ziggyy]

Behind Morgan, being Messi Cole, behind Downing.... is he really that bad in training???

At this time, I'll say just give him some games, even as a sub in the 'lesser' games...  With 4-5 mths to go, lots of games, I don't think Suarez/Gerrard/Borini/Sterling can keep going on and on...

[Wetsox]

He is the new Aquaman. Played well in pre-season, can't buy a seat on the bench, being shopped around for loans, lots of potential, loved on RAWK. just hope his stay doesn't end the same and he gets some playing time asap!

[Samee]

Everything about Pacheco is bewildering. The most damning thing you can say about him is that no manager - not even Lambert who was absolutely raving about the lad after his debut at Carrow Road - has fancied playing Pacheco. Why? Are they all wrong?

But then on the few occasions Pacheco has played in the first team he's not just done well, but very well. He was excellent on his debut when he was given 20 minutes v Wolves on  the right. He was also very good when we beat Unirea at Anfield. And he turned the game around when we defeated Trabzonspor in Turkey.

How many more games did he feature in for us? I'm not sure but it can't have been many. The one bad game I do remember was the fiasco against Northampton. Hodgson didn't play him again after that. In fact I think that was his last game for Liverpool. The only other times we've seen him in a Red shirt are pre-season friendlies - hardly true tests of what are needed, although, once again, Pacheco has consistently looked one of the brightest players on the pitch.

The whole thing is bewildering. There's clearly something not quite right that overrides the evidence the fans get to see on the pitch itself. If Rodgers - of all people - doesn't fancy him you'd have to say that there's not much hope for the lad.  But it will always be a mystery to us until a manager finally says what's wrong.

Maybe he's a twat or a shit trainer? Or both? Who knows. That's the best I can come up with.

[Anywhichwayicant]

Something certainly amiss.

[the red symphony]

Maybe he's a twat or a shit trainer? Or both? Who knows. That's the best I can come up with.

Wasn't it reported that the manager at Vallecano thought he had an attitude problem. Felt he was too grand for lowly Vallecano or some thing like that, no?

[Sangria]

Wasn't it reported that the manager at Vallecano thought he had an attitude problem. Felt he was too grand for lowly Vallecano or some thing like that, no?

It would be odd for him to think himself too grand for top tier Rayo Vallecano considering he threw himself into 2nd tier Norwich, and wanted a return there the following season.

[the red symphony]

It would be odd for him to think himself too grand for top tier Rayo Vallecano considering he threw himself into 2nd tier Norwich, and wanted a return there the following season.

Odd being the key word in Dani's time here. Always rated him. Seemed bright enough in his cameo appearances during Rafa's last season. Then that Northampton game, and whoosh, as if he disappeared. Strange.

[kcbworth]

It would be odd for him to think himself too grand for top tier Rayo Vallecano considering he threw himself into 2nd tier Norwich, and wanted a return there the following season.

Think it was more of a case of Dani emphasising he was a Liverpool player... he's certainly not short of love for Liverpool FC

[kcbworth]

He was dreadful in that game, but so were most of the other players. I remember thinking that his performance in that game was one of the worst I've seen since I started watching Liverpool.

You for real?!? I think I might have to rewatch that game to refresh my memory.

I remember it was hyped as his big opportunity to break through, and he didn't do much of note, but hard to believe it was "one of the worst since you started watching Liverpool". I actually struggle to believe it was even the worst in that game.