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Re: I'm really genuinely concerned...no rant intended
« Reply #920 on: August 1, 2012, 07:29:47 pm »
remember 'Wait Till Your Father Gets Home'?...and the next door neighbor 'Ralph'?......this thread reminds me of him

More like Whittaker, Ralph's mate, the fucking old woman with the blue rinse and a shotgun looking for the Commies  :D
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Re: I'm really genuinely concerned...no rant intended
« Reply #921 on: August 1, 2012, 07:30:23 pm »
Who do we blame for FSG not following up on their promise to involve a supporters group.
Who do we blame for FSG not having the backbone to appoint their own man, and bowing to fan pressure.
Who do we blame for selling Torres.
Who do we blame for the way the Suarez saga dragged on.
Who do we blame that for all the points Ive already made we still don't have a proper footballing structure in place.



Why do we need someone to blame ?
What is that ?


Let them get on with running the club, keep an eye yeh, fair enough, but lets wait and see before we start having heart attacks,
chill out, enjoy the football.
Why do we have to find someone to blame all the time ?
Id like to see any of us try to run a football club. Its not as easy as some make out yer know.
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Re: I'm really genuinely concerned...no rant intended
« Reply #922 on: August 1, 2012, 07:34:52 pm »
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Re: I'm really genuinely concerned...no rant intended
« Reply #923 on: August 1, 2012, 07:39:26 pm »
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Re: I'm really genuinely concerned...no rant intended
« Reply #924 on: August 1, 2012, 07:41:11 pm »
Yep. Yer in mate.
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Re: I'm really genuinely concerned...no rant intended
« Reply #925 on: August 1, 2012, 07:45:00 pm »
im in the finance gang, im not mystic meg.

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Re: I'm really genuinely concerned...no rant intended
« Reply #926 on: August 1, 2012, 07:45:53 pm »
Why do we need someone to blame ?
What is that ?


Let them get on with running the club, keep an eye yeh, fair enough, but lets wait and see before we start having heart attacks,
chill out, enjoy the football.
Why do we have to find someone to blame all the time ?
Id like to see any of us try to run a football club. Its not as easy as some make out yer know.

I didn't initiate the 'blame' game mate, I was just debating a point whereby some posters reckoned the 'blame' for the mess were currently in should be redirected towards Kenny and Comolli, and whilst some of it undoubtably should, especially that that concerns the playing side, there are questions we should be aiming in the direction of FSG.
They said they'd do things they've since renagued on, and it appears they're installing personnel arse roads about.
They've also proved that they can be 'bullied' into making decisions they initially didn't want to make, the appointment of Kenny, the u-turn on the DoF/Sporting Director role.

Whilst it's not time to storm the ramparts with pitchforks and break out the trebuchet to fire over the burning oil just yet, they need keeping a careful eye on.
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« Reply #927 on: August 1, 2012, 07:49:04 pm »

That is so over my head I couldn't even begin to decipher any of it, it may well as be in Mandarin.
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« Reply #928 on: August 1, 2012, 07:51:43 pm »
That is so over my head I couldn't even begin to decipher any of it, it may well as be in Mandarin.


makes more sense than half the shite posted in this thread.
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« Reply #929 on: August 1, 2012, 07:51:46 pm »
I didn't initiate the 'blame' game mate, I was just debating a point whereby some posters reckoned the 'blame' for the mess were currently in should be redirected towards Kenny and Comolli, and whilst some of it undoubtably should, especially that that concerns the playing side, there are questions we should be aiming in the direction of FSG.
They said they'd do things they've since renagued on, and it appears they're installing personnel arse roads about.
They've also proved that they can be 'bullied' into making decisions they initially didn't want to make, the appointment of Kenny, the u-turn on the DoF/Sporting Director role.

Whilst it's not time to storm the ramparts with pitchforks and break out the trebuchet to fire over the burning oil just yet, they need keeping a careful eye on.


Wernt aimed at you specifically mate, apologies if it comes across like that.
They do need an eye on them, but alot of the so called promises have been mis interpreted as far as I can see, so if we are going to
accuse them of stuff lets at least get the facts right first.
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Re: I'm really genuinely concerned...no rant intended
« Reply #930 on: August 1, 2012, 07:55:46 pm »
If I employ you and you lose my company 40 million, does my boss absolve me of all blame?
Your boss is also to blame for hiring you, and his boss as well then the next boss,...where does it end?

Re: I'm really genuinely concerned...no rant intended
« Reply #931 on: August 1, 2012, 07:57:55 pm »
Any owners with a low net spend deserve some form of criticism. Especially since they keep stating they're here to win things.
Haha!

We have a higher net spend than Spurs, Arsenal and Newcastle

Re: I'm really genuinely concerned...no rant intended
« Reply #932 on: August 1, 2012, 07:58:56 pm »
cos at the time he was the boss, doing nothing, well jsut wouldnt be kenny would it.

your telling me he flew to boston thinking he was going to tea and cupcakes?
None of that makes sense.

Keep trying though

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Re: I'm really genuinely concerned...no rant intended
« Reply #933 on: August 1, 2012, 07:59:06 pm »
That is so over my head I couldn't even begin to decipher any of it, it may well as be in Mandarin.


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Re: I'm really genuinely concerned...no rant intended
« Reply #934 on: August 1, 2012, 08:00:18 pm »
I'm puzzled by this statement from a few posters. We have owners, directors, a chairman, a manager, scouts, assistant coaches, academy coaches, and players. What exactly about that set-up is not proper?
What they mean is we don't have a structure with people they approve of, so they may be right in their own little worlds

Re: I'm really genuinely concerned...no rant intended
« Reply #935 on: August 1, 2012, 08:03:16 pm »
Just seen it was you who posted it, didn't even know that at time I posted my message as hadn't gone back that far page wise.

is this based on actual info or just some rumour mill rubbish? As Kenny actions since he found out he was being sacked are pretty strange if it's true.
It's bullshit mate, they'll try to get you believe he had been sacked but was still scouting players for the club and at the end of the season still went all the way to Boston to meet the owners despite him already being let go.

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Re: I'm really genuinely concerned...no rant intended
« Reply #936 on: August 1, 2012, 08:04:25 pm »
What they mean is we don't have a structure with people they approve of, so they may be right in their own little worlds

But more importantly, they enjoy the sound of their own words
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« Reply #937 on: August 1, 2012, 08:04:36 pm »
What they mean is we don't have a structure with people they approve of, so they may be right in their own little worlds

you seem busy with your one liners shame really so much work for so little information,

so i will give you a chance to elucidate a bit more,  care to tell me what the FSG vision is for us and their philosophy seeing as you are such an ardent supporter of them and write such concise but disparaging of any other opinions posts!
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« Reply #938 on: August 1, 2012, 08:05:10 pm »
Wernt aimed at you specifically mate, apologies if it comes across like that. They do need an eye on them, but alot of the so called promises have been mis interpreted as far as I can see, so if we are going to
accuse them of stuff lets at least get the facts right first.

No worries mate, I just like having a decent thread to to get my teeth into.

And I for one appreciate the sensible modding of this thread, it's run close to edge on a couple of occasions but dragged itself back.

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« Reply #939 on: August 1, 2012, 08:08:51 pm »
It's bullshit mate, they'll try to get you believe he had been sacked but was still scouting players for the club and at the end of the season still went all the way to Boston to meet the owners despite him already being let go.

Of course it's bullshit, not a chance in hell he was sacked in Feb and stayed around acting like he did until going to Boston to be 'fired'.

Same as the quotes from Werner in past two weeks that Kenny was sacked because of the Suarez incident. But those quotes can't be found from Werner, can from fergie though.

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« Reply #940 on: August 1, 2012, 08:09:00 pm »
you seem busy with your one liners shame really so much work for so little information,

so i will give you a chance to elucidate a bit more,  care to tell me what the FSG vision is for us and their philosophy seeing as you are such an ardent supporter of them and write such concise but disparaging of any other opinions posts!
No I really don't care to tell you anything mate, I'll leave you to the conspiracy theories.

That's two lines. Happy now?

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« Reply #941 on: August 1, 2012, 08:10:55 pm »
It's bullshit mate, they'll try to get you believe he had been sacked but was still scouting players for the club and at the end of the season still went all the way to Boston to meet the owners despite him already being let go.

what do you think Kenny was thinking was going to Boston "oh im deffo getting a raise", ill fly over there.
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« Reply #942 on: August 1, 2012, 08:14:22 pm »
what do you think Kenny was thinking was going to Boston "oh im deffo getting a raise", ill fly over there.

I put the question to you and the others who've come out with this so you're the one who needs to give us an answer. Besides Kenny said it several times they'd review the season after it ended, if he had already been let go what was the point of the review?




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« Reply #943 on: August 1, 2012, 08:15:42 pm »
No I really don't care to tell you anything mate, I'll leave you to the conspiracy theories.


I thought that was one line with a comma in the middle.

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« Reply #944 on: August 1, 2012, 08:17:37 pm »
Will Kenny be acting on the documentary that's coming out also on his visit to Boston?

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« Reply #945 on: August 1, 2012, 08:19:19 pm »
I thought that was one line with a comma in the middle.

Maths never been my strong point
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« Reply #946 on: August 1, 2012, 08:25:00 pm »
Fuck it, I've written us off now until the day comes we get bought out buy an owner who is going to take us seriously as a sports asset and not a financial asset.

This next season has already become a farce before its even got started.

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« Reply #947 on: August 1, 2012, 08:29:30 pm »
Who do we blame for selling Torres. - Torres
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« Reply #948 on: August 1, 2012, 08:32:22 pm »
What a bunch of over dramatic pre-madonna's we have in this thread! Get a fuckin grip for gods sake! :butt
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« Reply #949 on: August 1, 2012, 08:38:43 pm »
Hah. If only you knew.

 ;)

In a way that's the one decision that split the fanbase, and I understand why they sold him, but for me it was the start of the slide.
They could have laid a marker.
They chose the money.
I don't suppose we can apportion too much blame their way for how it was spent, but still rankles.
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« Reply #950 on: August 1, 2012, 08:42:06 pm »
;)

In a way that's the one decision that split the fanbase, and I understand why they sold him, but for me it was the start of the slide.
They could have laid a marker.
They chose the money.
I don't suppose we can apportion too much blame their way for how it was spent, but still rankles.

exactly. £50m in hand, or CL's football. They chose the £50m. The way we finished that season, without having a 35m striker injured for half of that and instead having our 20 league goal a season striker, we'd have easily made top 4.
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« Reply #951 on: August 1, 2012, 08:42:59 pm »
What a bunch of over dramatic pre-madonna's we have in this thread! Get a fuckin grip for gods sake! :butt

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« Reply #952 on: August 1, 2012, 08:52:22 pm »
Fuck it, I've written us off now until the day comes we get bought out buy an owner who is going to take us seriously as a sports asset and not a financial asset.

This next season has already become a farce before its even got started.
if you're not serious, brilliant parody.

If you are serious , i feel for you.
This is a good thread with some great arguments from both sides (both sides, Fucking depressing that) but, Christ, there are some drama queens.

I don't know FSGs masterplan, but Im an optimist at heart and don't feel the genuine concern of some just yet. Some decisions have pissed me off a little (Aquilani) but i don't know the ins and outs just yet and will wait to see what happens.
I do respect the concerns of other posters who are not so sure or outright hostile just as they should respect mine, neutral leaning towards optimistic, and others who think the owners are doing the right things.
We all have the same interests at heart and this is all speculation  about what may or may transpire. It doesn't have to be so dramatic.

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« Reply #953 on: August 1, 2012, 08:55:58 pm »
if you're not serious, brilliant parody.

If you are serious , i feel for you.
This is a good thread with some great arguments from both sides (both sides, Fucking depressing that) but, Christ, there are some drama queens.

I don't know FSGs masterplan, but Im an optimist at heart and don't feel the genuine concern of some just yet. Some decisions have pissed me off a little (Aquilani) but i don't know the ins and outs just yet and will wait to see what happens.
I do respect the concerns of other posters who are not so sure or outright hostile just as they should respect mine, neutral leaning towards optimistic, and others who think the owners are doing the right things.
We all have the same interests at heart and this is all speculation  about what may or may transpire. It doesn't have to be so dramatic.

good post except for the drama queens too often used wrongly!

Anyway we are now going round in circles, nobody will change anyones mind yet only the actions of FSG can do that in the next few months, personally speaking I hope they do!
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« Reply #954 on: August 1, 2012, 08:56:28 pm »
exactly. £50m in hand, or CL's football. They chose the £50m. The way we finished that season, without having a 35m striker injured for half of that and instead having our 20 league goal a season striker, we'd have easily made top 4.

Well, wasn't really £50m in hand was it, considering it went straight out again.

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Re: I'm really genuinely concerned...no rant intended
« Reply #955 on: August 1, 2012, 08:57:44 pm »
I was raging and I mean fuming at Kenny's dismissal. Since then Ive listened to Rodgers and read various articles on him (some on here and others in the press). He has impressed me immensely so I will give him and FSG my full support. We will not win the league, we will probably not finish top 4 but as long as we start building in the right way and progress on and off the pitch then I will not complain. Lets get fully behind the club!
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Re: I'm really genuinely concerned...no rant intended
« Reply #956 on: August 1, 2012, 09:03:57 pm »
Well, wasn't really £50m in hand was it, considering it went straight out again.

Evans reckoned they paid for him on the never never as well, whilst we paid NUFC in full.
He didn't know how the installments were set up, but still, we even seemed to lose out when somone pays us 50m.
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Re: I'm really genuinely concerned...no rant intended
« Reply #957 on: August 1, 2012, 09:04:47 pm »
do you understand the word Irony?

Indeed. I also understand that coming into a thread and reading a bunch of fully grown men cry about FSG is also pretty embarrassing. Comments like the ones below are just pathetic.

Fuck it, I've written us off now until the day comes we get bought out buy an owner who is going to take us seriously as a sports asset and not a financial asset.

This next season has already become a farce before its even got started.
We’ll still finish in top four - and they won’t. You can quote me on this in May.

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Re: I'm really genuinely concerned...no rant intended
« Reply #958 on: August 1, 2012, 09:05:56 pm »
Well, wasn't really £50m in hand was it, considering it went straight out again.
and who do you think sanctioned that?
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Re: I'm really genuinely concerned...no rant intended
« Reply #959 on: August 1, 2012, 09:07:36 pm »
and who do you think sanctioned that?

Well I'm struggling to see the point really. Torres was sold and the money was then spent.

I know you have this view FSG decided to sell Torres, they may of, but I'm not sure for what reason considering they didn't exactly pocket the money.