Topic: Doping In Sport..

[ncred]

And forfeit all the money he's still owed? I highly doubt it.

dude has probably made 300m to date, how much money does the douche need?
http://riveraveblues.com/2010/02/just-how-much-has-a-rod-made-during-his-career-23951/

[ElstonGunn]

Crazy. I don't follow baseball (at all), but isn't he one of the biggest names in the sport?

At one point he had a chance to be one of the best that every played the game, and when he signed his giant contract, it was by far the biggest one in history. Yeah, he's a very big name, if a bit past it now.

[SalisburyRed]

dude has probably made 300m to date, how much money does the douche need?
http://riveraveblues.com/2010/02/just-how-much-has-a-rod-made-during-his-career-23951/

He's made a ton of money, sure. But he doesn't strike me as the type who'd ever decide he'd made enough.

He's also signed a contract with the Yankees which doesn't contain a break clause in the event of a drugs ban. It's merely that he doesn't get paid while suspended. The Yankees would probably like him to be suspended so they can get out of paying him a chunk of the money they owe him, but even once the suspension expires, he'll still be owed a lot.

[EstonianRed]

For the amount of junk he pumped up his batty?

still a legend

[SteveZissou]

Nobody mentioned the news from Germany on the weekend? i.e. about doping in their sport since the 60's

[Pheeny]

I'd have thought the only pill a baseball player would need was a slimming pill.

[fowlermagic]

Maybe times have changed but I thought I read that some if not a lot of the high school talent were already dabbling into performance enhancement drugs. Once they entered into the college game it got more n more widespread where eventually you nearly had to be taking something just to be considered a prospect for the pros. The system especially football seems to be set up for it as they don't do random tests during the off season do they? and wne caught the penalties were laughable 

[Willi]

Nobody mentioned the news from Germany on the weekend? i.e. about doping in their sport since the 60's

The report apparently covers much about doping in East and West Germany, interesting for football fans is that 3 German players tested positively (traces found) at the World Cup in 1966 for Ephedrine, which was already banned at the time. Maybe they just had colds.

[steveeastend]

The report apparently covers much about doping in East and West Germany, interesting for football fans is that 3 German players tested positively (traces found) at the World Cup in 1966 for Ephedrine, which was already banned at the time. Maybe they just had colds.

The world cup in 58 has been mentioned as well. Hungary was the best team back then by a country mile and they beat them easily at ridiculous high temperatures. It was a fitness issue, I remember rumours on this a couple of years ago as all of their players, with the exception of Fritz Walter, died pretty young.

[kaz1983]

Maybe times have changed but I thought I read that some if not a lot of the high school talent were already dabbling into performance enhancement drugs. Once they entered into the college game it got more n more widespread where eventually you nearly had to be taking something just to be considered a prospect for the pros. The system especially football seems to be set up for it as they don't do random tests during the off season do they? and wne caught the penalties were laughable 

Yep you are correct.

[b_joseph]

Crazy. I don't follow baseball (at all), but isn't he one of the biggest names in the sport?

With the amount of money involved in top sports these days, it's not surprising at all. Honestly started to wonder now that it's a case of when it hits our game rather if.

If? I would imagine that it is already in football. It's probably in every sport, it's jus that some sports have really poor testing policies and the drugs are always ahead of the tests...so it's had to catch payers who are on the ''right'' type of drug.

I don't think there s anything that can be done. Some folks say that the penalties should be harsh but that hasn't stopped folks from committing some of the more serious crimes in the everyday world.
You will always have people who want to cut corners, nt everyone but a decent amount.

[stoa]

The world cup in 58 has been mentioned as well. Hungary was the best team back then by a country mile and they beat them easily at ridiculous high temperatures. It was a fitness issue, I remember rumours on this a couple of years ago as all of their players, with the exception of Fritz Walter, died pretty young.

I think you mean the world cup in 54 when the Germans won. Some members of the Hungarian squad complained right after the tournament that they thought the Germans were doped. They denied it, but in recent years more and more evidence is pointing towards some cheating going on. I don't know about players dying young, but certainly a lot of them were diagnosed with Hepatitis C after the tournament or were at least showing signs of liver damage. Doctors believe that this happened, because they shared one syringe among the whole team to get injections before the game. Some of the players said that they were giving Vitamin C, but scientist doubt that. In a paper that was published a couple of years ago, it was specultated that they were given some drugs that were used during the world war to improve the soldiers' level of concentration and their performance.

[Old No7]

In more positive news athletics has got more serious about doping with the IAAF doubling bans from 2 to 4 years as of 2015. This guarantees cheats miss an Olympics, much more of a deterrent & punishment.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/23621134

[steveeastend]

I think you mean the world cup in 54 when the Germans won. Some members of the Hungarian squad complained right after the tournament that they thought the Germans were doped. They denied it, but in recent years more and more evidence is pointing towards some cheating going on. I don't know about players dying young, but certainly a lot of them were diagnosed with Hepatitis C after the tournament or were at least showing signs of liver damage. Doctors believe that this happened, because they shared one syringe among the whole team to get injections before the game. Some of the players said that they were giving Vitamin C, but scientist doubt that. In a paper that was published a couple of years ago, it was specultated that they were given some drugs that were used during the world war to improve the soldiers' level of concentration and their performance.

Yeah, 54, great "Sommermarchen" indeed. It´s time to clear up the mess for them, it´s wrong to build your reputation on cheating, especially in football, where it´s about the game itself more than anything.

[ManchesterBlue]

The world cup in 58 has been mentioned as well. Hungary was the best team back then by a country mile and they beat them easily at ridiculous high temperatures. It was a fitness issue, I remember rumours on this a couple of years ago as all of their players, with the exception of Fritz Walter, died pretty young.

There were quite a few suspicions about the Turkish team in the 2002 World Cup. They seemed to have far more energy in the second half of games than they did in the first. But that was a strange competition for all sorts of reasons.

[steveeastend]

There were quite a few suspicions about the Turkish team in the 2002 World Cup. They seemed to have far more energy in the second half of games than they did in the first. But that was a strange competition for all sorts of reasons.

Cruyff came out with a quote as well recently... it was all over the place and probably still is. I read that they are starting to increase the number of controls during pre season, it wouldn´t suprise me if there is a lot more to come. Not from germany though, they have always pointed to someonelse in order to deflact from themselves...

[Pheeny]

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/other-sport/cycling/nicole-cooke-would-never-trade-7551243

[Samie]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/commonwealth-games/28622841

Former world and Commonwealth champion Amantle Montsho has been provisionally suspended after failing a doping test following the women's 400m final at Glasgow 2014.

The A sample of Botswana's Montsho, who finished fourth in the 29 July final, tested positive for banned stimulant methylhexaneamine.

 A further test of the B sample will take place on Monday in London.

Montsho, 31, won Commonwealth gold at Delhi 2010 and the world title in 2011.

Her gold medals at Delhi and Daegu were her country's first at a Commonwealth Games and World Championships respectively, and she also won silver at the 2013 World Championships in Moscow, losing out to Great Britain's Christine Ohuruogu in a dramatic photo-finish.

She missed out on a medal at Glasgow as she tied up badly in the final 100m and finished behind the Jamaican trio of Stephanie McPherson, Novlene Williams-Mills and Christine Day.

Montsho told the BBC earlier this year that she would quit athletics after the Rio 2016 Olympics and was aiming to become a basketball player.

 A statement from the Commonwealth Games Federation read: "The athlete's A sample was found to contain methylhexaneamine, prohibited as a stimulant under class s6 of Wada's Prohibited List.

"Upon receipt of the analysis of the athlete's B sample, the court will reconvene to consider the matter further."

Montsho is the second athlete to have failed a drugs test at the Games.

On Friday, 16-year-old Nigerian weightlifter Chika Amalaha was stripped of her gold medal after her A and B samples tested positive for banned substances.

The samples contained amiloride and hydrochlorothiazide, which are both prohibited as diuretics and masking agents.

[BCCC]

EPO alive and well.

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/matteo-rabottini-fails-anti-doping-test-epo-136240

[Terry_Tibbs]

It's all happening in world of athletics at the moment not only is twice banned Justin Gatlin posting ridiculous times the Beeb are today claiming that Mo Farahs coach is caught up in drug use and also claim Alan Wells took PEDs:

Alberto Salazar
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-32877702

Alan Wells
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-32883944

[Romeo Sensini]

It's all happening in world of athletics at the moment not only is twice banned Justin Gatlin posting ridiculous times the Beeb are today claiming that Mo Farahs coach is caught up in drug use and also claim Alan Wells took PEDs:

Alberto Salazar
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-32877702

Alan Wells
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-32883944

As someone who follows athletics in the US, this doesn't come as a surprise. Salazar has been scrutinized and suspected of doping for decades now. He was coaching Mary Decker Slaney in the 90s when she tested positive too. Also a former member of Athletics West, which has an extremely shady past.

In my opinion, Farah's 3:28.81 1500m is one of the most suspicious distance performances in the last few years.

[Samie]

Yet the 1500m World Record is 3:26.00 (Wiki'd)    set back in 98.

[Romeo Sensini]

Yet the 1500m World Record is 3:26.00 (Wiki'd)    set back in 98.

El Guerrouj is no saint either, but he was a pure 1500 specialist. Ran that time at age 23.

Farah is a 5,000m/10,000m specialist. His previous best was around 3:34. He ran a 3:28 at age 30. Fastest time ever by someone over the age of 30, by a guy that has only run the event a few times as a pro. It's a sketchy mark in my book.

[Old No7]

I've enjoyed the bbc's multiple clarification that mo is in no way implicated.

That's made it all very clear to me and I believe them when they say it entirely.

No surprise the bbc will defend him to the hilt, just like they won't have a bad word said about his 'win' in the great north run.

There is no proof Farah is guilty but it's the 2nd warning flag against him for me. The first is that he quickly went from a guy who made finals but didn't medal to dominating his events, the 2nd is he did that under the watch of a coach who is now implicated in doping accusations.

[stevensr123]

I'm sure I was reading a runners forum a year or two back and everyone thought he was doping, mainly because he went from a nobody, to positing ridiculously numbers at an age where yea he shouldn't be.

Almost everyone thought he was a doper for that reason, or at least suspicious over his numbers. Hoping the specification is wrong though because he seems like a nice guy.

[Ray K]

No surprise the bbc will defend him to the hilt, just like they won't have a bad word said about his 'win' in the great north run.

There is no proof Farah is guilty but it's the 2nd warning flag against him for me. The first is that he quickly went from a guy who made finals but didn't medal to dominating his events, the 2nd is he did that under the watch of a coach who is now implicated in doping accusations.

Yes, the fact that when he joined Salazar and Oregon at age 27, his 10,000 PB was 27:29, and 6 months later it was 26:46.

But I'm sure that's down to, what's the buzzwords? 'Marginal gains'.  Washing your hands properly. Resting in a luxury motorhome, after races etc.  Isn't that right, Sir Dave?

Move along, nothing to see here.

[Jimmy Conway]

But I'm sure that's down to, what's the buzzwords? 'Marginal gains'.  Washing your hands properly. Resting in a luxury motorhome, after races etc.  Isn't that right, Sir Dave?

Don't forget keeping your trainers (wheels in Sky) in plastic bags overnight.

[filthy1980]

If Farrah does get caught wonder if BBC News will refer to him as "Somalian born Mo Farrah" just as they announced "Jamaican Born Linford Christie" when he tested positive after retiring

[dave 5516]

I'm looking forward to that c*nt Wigans beating the record for the hour set by Tony Rominger: 55.291 km/h...cleans....

Ask the c*nt how he transformed himself from grupetto fodder to a GT winner....fuckin risible.

[Ziltoid]

But was Rominger clean Dave? If not then maybe it's all down to technology and the juice.

[dave 5516]

But was Rominger clean Dave? If not then maybe it's all down to technology and the juice.

Rominger's doctor for his bid at the hour was Michele Ferrari..need I say more...this is why I will be amused when Wigans passes the distance set by Rominger. This was as you know an era when riders were only restrained by themselves as to how high they took their hct levels....I find it difficult to believe it's possible to pass this benchmark clean for that reason.

The previous holder was Indurain...a rider Wigans can only dream of being as good as..and he rode that beautiful Pinarello...technology hasn't improved that much.

[Pheeny]

My view on doping has changed slightly after watching this.
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/Qd-4qBhUSR4" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/Qd-4qBhUSR4</a>

[dave 5516]

In what way,T?

I like Phil....he's got charisma...Kai..not so much.

[Pheeny]

If you watch the whole film they mention drugs and more or less say most if not everyone takes them in some form or other, but you also still see the dedication they have and realize it's certainly not down to drugs alone that they are top of the game.

[dave 5516]

If you watch the whole film they mention drugs and more or less say most if not everyone takes them in some form or other, but you also still see the dedication they have and realize it's certainly not down to drugs alone that they are top of the game.

I watched the film when it came out...At that level..everyone is on a sophisticated programme of drugs...to reach that level you have to be on a good programme...but you also need to work hard and dedicate your life to it.

My mate is 3 years younger than me...he's close to 19 stone ripped to the bone...nae body fat and when I was still lifting we trained together...his dedication to his work is amazing..he's on a good programme...but, he lifts properly and heavily...drugs alone won't make you big...lift,eat and sleep..and make sure you stack your drugs properly...you grow...still gotta work hard though.

[Old No7]

Just watching 2 time convicted doper Justin Gatlin running as fast as he ever has before, age 33, one wonders how he does it...

[Aceldama]

Just watching 2 time convicted doper Justin Gatlin running as fast as he ever has before, age 33, one wonders how he does it...

Looking forward to him getting caught a 3rd time (I hope). I remember when he came back from his last ban thinking that it would be ok because he was getting a bit older and wouldn't be competitive at the top level, now he's doing this. Easily the most detestable man in all sport.

[dave 5516]

Just watching 2 time convicted doper Justin Gatlin running as fast as he ever has before, age 33, one wonders how he does it...

[arthur sarnoff]

Rominger's doctor for his bid at the hour was Michele Ferrari..need I say more...this is why I will be amused when Wigans passes the distance set by Rominger. This was as you know an era when riders were only restrained by themselves as to how high they took their hct levels....I find it difficult to believe it's possible to pass this benchmark clean for that reason.

The previous holder was Indurain...a rider Wigans can only dream of being as good as..and he rode that beautiful Pinarello...technology hasn't improved that much.

I believe he's been talking about getting close to the 'ultimate' record, which Boardman set in the Superman position.  That really would be stretching things, no pun intended. 

Boardman deserves far more credit than he generally gets (not that he's completely without admirers).  He's one of the very few cyclists I can believe did everything without, ahem, 'assistance'.

[kavah]

The panorama programme about Salazar's Oregon a Project is very depressing. Mark Day comes up with lots of compelling evidence - Rupp in particular is accused, nothing specifically about Mo.

He also demonstrated how easy it is to evade detection when he dopes with epo over a 12 week period - and his performance improves by 7%