Topic: South American Football. Leagues, Copa Libertadores etc.

[oojason]

Boca are on about taking this to CAS (Court of Arbitration for Sport), whilst River Plate are making their own case if Boca don't play the game.

Boca president Daniel Angelici said to the press 'We don't accept playing any game, in 2015 we were disqualified for the same. There are precedents for what we are requesting & so we wait calmly for the outcome of the tribunal'

https://twitter.com/golazoargentino




'Copa Libertadores final moved from Argentina as Boca demand River thrown out'...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/nov/27/copa-libertadores-final-moved-from-argentina-as-boca-demand-river-thrown-out

[ElCapo]

Think Boca have a point to be honest, especially as for a similar incident they forfeited the match to River in 2015 and disqualified from the tournament for 2 years. 

[Statto Red]

 CONMEBOL excuse could be, Boca were disqualified from the tournament as that happened inside the stadium, were as the bus attack happened outside the stadium, UEFA keep coming up with this as the reason for not banning Roma fans from matches.

[Clayton Bigsby]

That's unfair. They should just ban river plate fans or something

[Lush is the best medicine...]

CONMEBOL excuse could be, Boca were disqualified from the tournament as that happened inside the stadium, were as the bus attack happened outside the stadium, UEFA keep coming up with this as the reason for not banning Roma fans from matches.

yeah that’s how I see it, if anything they should ban games from Buenos Aires for the incompetent policing sending the bus on a different route to usual to one where they go past loads of river fans

[Lush is the best medicine...]

Varsky saying conmebol are thinking of barranquilla for this

[please, I have my reasons for it but...]

Think Boca have a point to be honest, especially as for a similar incident they forfeited the match to River in 2015 and disqualified from the tournament for 2 years.

Boca's incident was inside the stadium, which falls under their security. River's incident was outside the stadium and mainly due to incompetent and borderline corrupt policing.

[Crosby Nick]

If the game is moved out of BA would it still be classed as a second leg? Or would this be a one off final?

[please, I have my reasons for it but...]

If the game is moved out of BA would it still be classed as a second leg? Or would this be a one off final?

There is no away goals and the first leg ended in a 2-2 draw so technically, it is like a one off final anyway.

[Linudden]

They should have done that to begin with.

One-legged finals in other countries can turn ugly too, which we unfortunately as a club are all too aware of in a European context. Whatever the outcome, I'm sure there will be major riots in Buenos Aires too given what has happened. In a country like Argentina, the football club is all that many of their fans have in the face of the desperate poverty of the lower classes over there. When people feel like they have nothing to lose and then lose what they have left (their Copa Libertadores dream)- then things could get really bad indeed.

[ElCapo]

Boca's incident was inside the stadium, which falls under their security. River's incident was outside the stadium and mainly due to incompetent and borderline corrupt policing.

I'd say the incident was mainly due to River Plate hooligans, but that's just me.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

One-legged finals in other countries can turn ugly too, which we unfortunately as a club are all too aware of in a European context. Whatever the outcome, I'm sure there will be major riots in Buenos Aires too given what has happened. In a country like Argentina, the football club is all that many of their fans have in the face of the desperate poverty of the lower classes over there. When people feel like they have nothing to lose and then lose what they have left (their Copa Libertadores dream)- then things could get really bad indeed.

The final should have been played without either sets of fans. The bad blood between these two is notorious and all of this could have been prevented .

[please, I have my reasons for it but...]

I'd say the incident was mainly due to River Plate hooligans, but that's just me.

River's barras bravas had an issue with the club who refused to sell them tickets to the game, they then went on like the mafia that they are and paid the local police authorities to lessen security around the stadium and specifically Boca's bus. It is why a lot of the barras bravas stole tickets from genuine fans outside the stadium in front of the police and the police did nothing.

[please, I have my reasons for it but...]

Game is going to be played in Doha.

[Iska]

Doha would be a terrible choice.  No atmosphere, no local market, all international interest dissipated, big bag of $ for Conmebol and nothing but association with FIFA’s darkest hour to show for it.  Literally anywhere else would be a better choice.

In short, this game needs a fitting audience.  It’s big because it matters; nobody (outside Argentina) cares about it if it’s played in the desert.

[ElCapo]

Playing devil's advocate for a second - this is not that terrible of a choice as the winner will play in the Club World Cup in Qatar a few days later, so I kinda understand the convenience argument.

[please, I have my reasons for it but...]

Playing devil's advocate for a second - this is not that terrible of a choice as the winner will play in the Club World Cup in Qatar UAE a few days later, so I kinda understand the convenience argument.

Corrected

[kavah]

Anyone thinking of going?
Makes a superclássico once in a life time river / boca liberartadores final sort of doable for the neutrals in Asia and Europe - what’s a return flight to Doha typically? Around £600 quid isn’t it.

Obviously not the same as in Buenos Aries like - but still.

[oojason]

Anyone thinking of going?
Makes a superclássico once in a life time river / boca liberartadores final sort of doable for the neutrals in Asia and Europe - what’s a return flight to Doha typically? Around £600 quid isn’t it.

Obviously not the same as in Buenos Aries like - but still.

Take your boots mate - if Boca don't turn up you may get a game!

[Iska]

If you’re Conmebol surely, surely you take this to New York?  Every other competition is dying to get a bit of US action, and this is the one game where there’s actually some sort of decent excuse.

[4pool]

If you’re Conmebol surely, surely you take this to New York?  Every other competition is dying to get a bit of US action, and this is the one game where there’s actually some sort of decent excuse.

Miami was offered. Don't think it's being considered.

[Lush is the best medicine...]

If you’re Conmebol surely, surely you take this to New York?  Every other competition is dying to get a bit of US action, and this is the one game where there’s actually some sort of decent excuse.

its freezing and the only stadium big enough will have nfl on the Sunday, LA is probably more do able and better weather

[Statto Red]

its freezing and the only stadium big enough will have nfl on the Sunday, LA is probably more do able and better weather

As it happens both the Jets & Giants have road games that week[9th December], so stadium might be available, weather on the other hand could be a problem.

[RedSince86]

If it's in Qatar i'm boycotting watching it.

I feel sorry for the fans over there, Their biggest game in south American football being sold for corrupt bloody petro dollars.

Can they not play the game at another Buenos Aires stadium as it punishes the River fans not seeing it their own ground, But they still get to see the team in their home city.

Can they not have the game at Independiente's stadium that has a 50k capacity?

[Iska]

Can they not play the game at another Buenos Aires stadium as it punishes the River fans not seeing it their own ground, But they still get to see the team in their home city.

Can they not have the game at Independiente's stadium that has a 50k capacity?

That’s a good point, it’s not like Buenos Aires is short of stadiums.

[Statto Red]

Probably because of the high potential for trouble outside the stadium, it won't be held in Buenos Aires

[kavah]

Madrid according to Globo in Brazil

https://globoesporte.globo.com/futebol/libertadores/noticia/river-plate-e-boca-juniors-decidem-a-libertadores-no-dia-9-de-dezembro-em-madri.ghtml

[Lawnmowerman]

Get to see Palacios at the bernebeu earlier than expected

[DelTrotter]

Bernabeu confirmed. Disgraceful that, feel for the good fans getting totally fucked over.

[Lush is the best medicine...]

Bernabeu confirmed. Disgraceful that, feel for the good fans getting totally fucked over.

much better than qatar! Would love to do this but can’t unfortunately

[Iska]

I’m suddenly really into this idea, but ... how rash would it be to, say, look into getting tickets on the basis that it will actually go ahead?  Boca are still, rather ignobly, insisting that River should be disqualified and that they should be declared champions by default.  I can’t shake the feeling that this might be the sort of match that gets decided by one of the teams not turning up.

[KOTP]

£110 quid return flights to madrid at moment very tempted

[oojason]

'Postponed Copa Libertadores final to be played at Bernabéu Stadium in Madrid'...

Second leg now on Sunday 9th December (7.30pm kick off - UK time) after attack on Boca Juniors bus
River Plate given $400,000 fine and two-match stadium ban

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/nov/29/copa-libertadores-boca-juniors-river-plate-real-madrid-santiago-bernabeu-rescheduled

Fans of both sides will be given an equal allocation of tickets



The match will be shown live in the UK on BT Sport and FreeSports

TV Channels around the world showing the game live (+ great for IPTV etc) - https://www.livesoccertv.com/match/3164403/river-plate-vs-boca-juniors/

[4pool]

Postponed Copa Libertadores final to be played at Bernabéu Stadium in Madrid

• Second leg now on 9 December after attack on Boca Juniors bus
• River Plate given $400,000 fine and two-match stadium ban

Conmebol have confirmed that the postponed second leg of the Copa Libertadores final between River Plate and Boca Juniors will be played at Real Madrid’s home ground, Santiago Bernabéu Stadium, on 9 December. Fans of both sides will be given an equal allocation of tickets, meaning no ‘home’ team.

Argentina’s two biggest teams drew the first leg 2-2 at Boca’s ground and were due to play the second match in South America’s equivalent of the Champions League final at River’s El Monumental stadium on Saturday. However, three Boca players were left needing medical attention when River fans attacked Boca’s bus as it approached the stadium and the game was delayed until Sunday and then postponed indefinitely.

Thursday’s decision to play the second leg in Madrid came after Conmebol’s meeting in Asunción on Tuesday, with the South American confederation also confirming that River will be fined $400,000 and have El Monumental closed for two games.

“Those of us who know the beautiful game, know that it only about winning or losing – not killing or dying for,” said Conmebol president Alejandro Domínguez. “I would like to begin by thanking Spanish prime minister Pedro Sánchez, [Fifa president Gianni] Infantino, [Uefa president Aleksander] Ceferin and my good friend [Real Madrid president] Florentino Pérez.

“The administration has elected to hold the Copa Libertadores final return leg, in front of both sets of supporters in Madrid, at the Santiago Bernabéu on 9 December at 8.30pm local time [7.30pm GMT]”. Real Madrid are due to play an away match in La Liga at Huesca on that date.

Prime minister Sanchez tweeted: “Spain is ready to organise the final of the Copa Libertadores between Boca Juniors and River Plate. The security forces have extensive experience of these situations and are already working on the necessary deployments to ensure the event is secure.”

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...te-real-madrid-santiago-bernabeu-rescheduled?

[rodderzzz]

Haha how many tickets each? That can only end well lol

[Clayton Bigsby]

So will there be discounted flights etc for the fans. This is a financial hardship for alot of people

[Lush is the best medicine...]

Prices out the undesirables tho

[FlashGordon]

Prices out the undesirables tho

The working class you mean?

[rodderzzz]

Prices out the undesirables tho

If you knew anything about the backdrop of what happened you'd be aware that is not even close to the case. The Barra Bravas could afford it with ease, visa/entry might be an issue but that's it.

[Lush is the best medicine...]

If you knew anything about the backdrop of what happened you'd be aware that is not even close to the case. The Barra Bravas could afford it with ease, visa/entry might be an issue but that's it.

it was sarcasm I know full well the clubs often pay for them to travel to aways abroad and that they’re pretty rich (those at the top) just that there will be a far greater mix of the well off fan than barras than if it were in BA