Topic: Malky Mackay

[Barneylfc∗]

“If any Englishman said he has never called a Chinaman a chink he is lying,” Whelan said.

Wow.

He's probably not far wrong. What he said may not be the most PC thing in the world these days, but I love reading the moral outrage of some people when things like this occur. I'd imagine a large % of the posters in this thread alone has made some sort of reference in their life to a Jew and their supposed love of money or a remark about them being tight with it.

[UntouchableLuis]

Dave Whelan in bellend shock horror.

[Crosby Nick]

I love listening to the dungeon master,he just doesn't know when to shut his mouth

Haha what a shout!

[10 years on]

“If any Englishman said he has never called a Chinaman a chink he is lying,” Whelan said.

Wow.

Haha 

[SuperStevieNicol]

I'm sorry but the whole world is going mad. How old is Dave Whelan? People of a different age and generation have differing views to what was once politically correct and what no longer is. To suggest he is not a fit and proper owner is ridiculous. Yes he comes out with some comedy gold moments but he's pumped millions of his own money in to the club, stadium and local community. To suggest he isn't fit to own Wigan is pathetic and does the Kick It Out campaigners no favours.

[west_london_red]

Am I the only one wondering why neither Whelan or Mackay are victims of a media witch hunt like that fella from Uruguay?

[Redman0151]

Am I the only one wondering why neither Whelan or Mackay are victims of a media witch hunt like that fella from Uruguay?

In what way aren't they? I've seen the media widely condemning both figures. it's just that an out of work manager + chairman of a fairly small club from the championship don't get as much media spotlight as a star in one of the biggest clubs in the country

[Barneylfc∗]

In what way aren't they? I've seen the media widely condemning both figures. it's just that an out of work manager + chairman of a fairly small club from the championship don't get as much media spotlight

I find it hard to believe, despite there being no ambiguity about that Mackay or Whelan has said, that either will be on the back page of a top selling national newspaper with RACIST as the headline.

[Mouth]

I'm sorry but the whole world is going mad. How old is Dave Whelan? People of a different age and generation have differing views to what was once politically correct and what no longer is. To suggest he is not a fit and proper owner is ridiculous. Yes he comes out with some comedy gold moments but he's pumped millions of his own money in to the club, stadium and local community. To suggest he isn't fit to own Wigan is pathetic and does the Kick It Out campaigners no favours.

Love how its ok to be a racist bigot if you're old. Its how they used to do things so its cool. Like ISIS cutting of peoples heads, it ok, its how they used to do it, its their tradition and they have pumped millions into the region. They don't have to join the rest of the human race, its cool, they can be traditional.

[Redman0151]

I find it hard to believe, despite there being no ambiguity about that Mackay or Whelan has said, that either will be on the back page of a top selling national newspaper with RACIST as the headline.

The back page of a paper during the Mackay scandal:



It's getting pretty boring how the mere mention of the word racism on here gets people talking about Suarez + Evra, even after he's left the club.


Not only that, but it helps drag the discussion away from the fact that Mackay and what seems like Whelan too are bigoted c*nts

[Barneylfc∗]

I'm sorry but the whole world is going mad. How old is Dave Whelan? People of a different age and generation have differing views to what was once politically correct and what no longer is. To suggest he is not a fit and proper owner is ridiculous. Yes he comes out with some comedy gold moments but he's pumped millions of his own money in to the club, stadium and local community. To suggest he isn't fit to own Wigan is pathetic and does the Kick It Out campaigners no favours.

I was born in 1982. When I was younger and someone suggested getting Chinese food, it was referred to as getting a 'chinks', 'chinkers' or 'chinkeys'. No one batted an eyelid. I still here it to this day. Personally, I don't see that as being racist, but obviously it is seen as no longer acceptable. People do need to accept though that the world is different to what ot was 15/20 years ago, but I agree in general that the world has gone pc mad.

[Barneylfc∗]

The back page of a paper during the Mackay scandal:



It's getting pretty boring how the mere mention of the word racism on here gets people talking about Suarez + Evra, even after he's left the club.


Not only that, but it helps drag the discussion away from the fact that Mackay and what seems like Whelan too are bigoted c*nts

You pretty much backed up my point. Cheers.

[SuperStevieNicol]

Love how its ok to be a racist bigot if you're old. Its how they used to do things so its cool. Like ISIS cutting of peoples heads, it ok, its how they used to do it, its their tradition and they have pumped millions into the region. They don't have to join the rest of the human race, its cool, they can be traditional.

Ridiculous, comparing Dave Whelan to ISIS. Where did I say being a racist bigot was ok? Do you think Whelan is a racist bigot? I don't think he is. He is probably the same age as my Gran would be if she were still alive. She used to call a black neighbour a nig nog and to her face. Was she a racist bigot? No, it was her generation and not everyone keeps abreast of how the world changes.

[Redman0151]

Ridiculous, comparing Dave Whelan to ISIS. Where did I say being a racist bigot was ok? Do you think Whelan is a racist bigot? I don't think he is. He is probably the same age as my Gran would be if she were still alive. She used to call a black neighbour a nig nog and to her face. Was she a racist bigot? No, it was her generation and not everyone keeps abreast of how the world changes.

If she was made aware that nignog wasn't acceptable and was a racist slur yet continued to use it anyway then yes she was racist, and if the black person she said it to was offended she could have faced prosecution.


Not really sure how this applies to Whelan though, he's an owner of a multi million pound company in the public eye and regularly in the media, not some old man sat in his house with no contact with the outside world. Claiming jews care more about money and that everybody says "chink" are racist and anti-Semitic remarks, anybody with a braincell knows that. There's no defence for the Thatcher loving c*nt

[SuperStevieNicol]

I was born in 1982. When I was younger and someone suggested getting Chinese food, it was referred to as getting a 'chinks', 'chinkers' or 'chinkeys'. No one batted an eyelid. I still here it to this day. Personally, I don't see that as being racist, but obviously it is seen as no longer acceptable. People do need to accept though that the world is different to what ot was 15/20 years ago, but I agree in general that the world has gone pc mad.

The point I am trying, clearly not very well, to make. Racism is wrong, fact. Everyone has different tolerance levels and different views and opinions to what is racism and what isn't. Lest we all forget, a certain ex centre forward of ours was convicted of being a racist and 99% of us were certain he wasn't.

[SuperStevieNicol]

If my grandma called someone that and was subsequently punched in the face, guess who grandma wasn't getting any sympathy from.

It was 30 years ago and her friend called her a white honkey, does that make them both racist bigots?

[SuperStevieNicol]

If she was made aware that nignog wasn't acceptable and was a racist slur yet continued to use it anyway then yes she was racist, and if the black person she said it to was offended she could have faced prosecution.


Not really sure how this applies to Whelan though, he's an owner of a multi million pound company in the public eye and regularly in the media, not some old man sat in his house with no contact with the outside world. Claiming jews care more about money and that everybody says "chink" are racist and anti-Semitic remarks, anybody with a braincell knows that. There's no defence for the Thatcher loving c*nt

Ah I see, calling someone a c*nt is acceptable.

[Tom_B]

Dave Whelan: "I have loads of Chinese friends and I would never ever insult the Chinese."

You can't make this shit up, he ACTUALLY said that.

[GorstStreetBoy]

He's probably not far wrong. What he said may not be the most PC thing in the world these days, but I love reading the moral outrage of some people when things like this occur. I'd imagine a large % of the posters in this thread alone has made some sort of reference in their life to a Jew and their supposed love of money or a remark about them being tight with it.

Wouldn't particularly disagree with that. Whelan seems particularly prolific though in that he's managed to insult the Chinese twice in one sentence there.

[Redman0151]

Ah I see, calling someone a c*nt is acceptable.

Sure, if somebody openly supports Thatcher, tries to get themselves in the media whenever possible and makes bigoted remarks I think it's fair game to call them a c*nt.

There's a pretty big line between calling somebody a c*nt and calling somebody a "chink" or claiming jews chase money

[Welshred]

The point I am trying, clearly not very well, to make. Racism is wrong, fact. Everyone has different tolerance levels and different views and opinions to what is racism and what isn't. Lest we all forget, a certain ex centre forward of ours was convicted of being a racist and 99% of us were certain he wasn't.

I think you'll find he was found guilty of using a racist term and that the FA stressed that they didn't believe he was a racist person. If anyone uses a racist term then they are a racist, no matter what era they come from. To say the it's ok for the elderly population to use racist terms because it's what they are used to is horrific especially when the era they grew up in, and essentially learn these terms, was an inherently racist time!

[Welshred]

It was 30 years ago and her friend called her a white honkey, does that make them both racist bigots?

Yes it does.

[Avens]

It's a quote from The Office.

[Mouth]

There is a clear difference. Suarez used a term that was perceived as racist by the person he directed it at. His intent is open to debate by others who believe he was or wasn't being racist with what he said.

With Whelan and Mackay there is no ambiguity, there is no debate. They are making clearly racist and bigoted statements. They don't think they are though. They feel that they are acceptable.
Just because he is old doesn't mean Whelan can go about being racist just because he always has been. Its actually the reverse. He is old enough and wise enough to know better by now. He has no excuse at all for anything he says.
Its a huge problem that a person in his position behaves like this and holds these views. Instead of it dying out, it filters through to successive generations, leading them to think its still acceptable. Which can clearly be seen as Mackay isn't of the same generation, but shares the same kind of views.

[SuperStevieNicol]

Yes it does.

Racist bigots and friends together for over 25 years.

[SuperStevieNicol]

There is a clear difference. Suarez used a term that was perceived as racist by the person he directed it at. His intent is open to debate by others who believe he was or wasn't being racist with what he said.

With Whelan and Mackay there is no ambiguity, there is no debate. They are making clearly racist and bigoted statements. They don't think they are though. They feel that they are acceptable.
Just because he is old doesn't mean Whelan can go about being racist just because he always has been. Its actually the reverse. He is old enough and wise enough to know better by now. He has no excuse at all for anything he says.
Its a huge problem that a person in his position behaves like this and holds these views. Instead of it dying out, it filters through to successive generations, leading them to think its still acceptable. Which can clearly be seen as Mackay isn't of the same generation, but shares the same kind of views.

Absolute and utter bollocks. Racism is racism. How is Suarez calling Evra a negro any different than Whelan using the word Chink?

[Mouth]

Absolute and utter bollocks. Racism is racism. How is Suarez calling Evra a negro any different than Whelan using the word Chink?

I don't think it is any different. He claimed that it wasn't his intent or that he didn't realise the Spanish phrasing might be a racist way to address someone. That's why its technically open to debate if he is racist or not. That's not the same as this instance.

What these two have done and said isn't open to interpretation.

[SuperStevieNicol]

I don't think it is any different. He claimed that it wasn't his intent or that he didn't realise the Spanish phrasing might be a racist way to address someone. That's why its technically open to debate if he is racist or not. That's not the same as this instance.

What these two have done and said isn't open to interpretation.

You've lost me, in 2 posts you've said it is different and it isn't different.

My final comment - racism is abhorrent but do I think Dave Whelan is a racist bigot? No, I think he is a lot of things, not all nice by the way, but I don't believe he's a racist bigot. Maybe I'm wrong.

[Fazak_Red]

Racist bigots and friends together for over 25 years.

Which is all that matters no matter what the do no wrong brigade on here say.

[Chris~]

Dave Whelan: "I have loads of Chinese friends and I would never ever insult the Chinese."

You can't make this shit up, he ACTUALLY said that.

The Chinese, a great bunch of lads.

[DutchRed]

Mackay symbolises the casual racism which is the major problem in modern society IMO. Don't know if it's completely fair to make him out as the major villain.

[Snail]

It was 30 years ago and her friend called her a white honkey, does that make them both racist bigots?

Oh fuck me, here we go again.

[Crosby Nick]

Oh fuck me, here we go again.

Gran?

[Kopenhagen]

“If any Englishman said he has never called a Chinaman a chink he is lying,” Whelan said.

Wow.

 

Yikes. Whelan should really just shut up now.

[garcia-alonso]

All this shit about what was acceptable 30 years ago does my head in. I was an adult 30 years ago and no-one I know, including my parents who would now be older than Dave Whelen, would consider it acceptable to call anyone a chinky or any of the other racist insults that people on here seem to think were bandied about with impunity in the relatively recent past.
Whelen's a old fashioned racist Thatcherite and Mackay is scum - there are no excuses.

[Tonyh8su]

Absolute and utter bollocks. Racism is racism. How is Suarez calling Evra a negro any different than Whelan using the word Chink?

Except he didn't call him "negro". He used the word "negrito". It's a term of endearment they have in Southern American Spanish speaking countries which literally translated means "my black friend". We just don't have a similar word in English. Why do you think Suarez is still adamant he's done nothing wrong? In fact I was watching a TV show the other night with a Mexican in it and he referred to a young black girl as "Negrita", which is just the female version of the same word.

On the subject of Dave Whelan and his "chink" comments. Bwahahahahahahaha....Has he seriously said that and is there a video?

I personally think he should be cleared of any wrong doing and anything offensive he says should be struck from the record, he broke his leg once in an FA Cup final you know?

[MolbyLovesGravlax]

It was 30 years ago and her friend called her a white honkey, does that make them both racist bigots?

No it means your Gran was Chevy Chase and the friend was Richard Pryor...

[HighSix]

Except he didn't call him "negro". He used the word "negrito". It's a term of endearment they have in Southern American Spanish speaking countries which literally translated means "my black friend". We just don't have a similar word in English. Why do you think Suarez is still adamant he's done nothing wrong? In fact I was watching a TV show the other night with a Mexican in it and he referred to a young black girl as "Negrita", which is just the female version of the same word.

"Did I use the Spanish word 'negro' in an argument that took place, in Spanish, with Patrice Evra on 15 October 2011 in a game between Liverpool and Manchester United?" he writes in Crossing the Line, which is being serialised in The Guardian. "Yes. Is the word 'negro' the same in Spanish as it is in English? No, absolutely not. Am I a racist? No, absolutely not.

"I was horrified when I first realised that is what I was being accused of. And I'm still sad and angry to think that this is a stain on my character that will probably be there forever."

[idontknow]

All this shit about what was acceptable 30 years ago does my head in. I was an adult 30 years ago and no-one I know, including my parents who would now be older than Dave Whelen, would consider it acceptable to call anyone a chinky or any of the other racist insults that people on here seem to think were bandied about with impunity in the relatively recent past.
Whelen's a old fashioned racist Thatcherite and Mackay is scum - there are no excuses.

Totally agree. Racist language in my experience is always an oddity rather than normality. My parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, no. I just mean, no - to explain that would be to quantify a quality of non-racism that they don't possess, they are just normal polite civilized human beings. That's not difficult, it's just, normal. Racism is, and always has been, the oddity. If it wasn't, there would be no diversity in this country, in any other country. So racism hurts, hates, hits, but it loses, because it is inherently weak, and the oddity.

Specifically, for Whelan, and Mackay, it's the FA's move, I suppose. So they won't do anything. 
A few Wigan supporters might stage a protest, a player might grumble, but their next opposition will just use it as an opportunity for a crass same-chant-tune piss-take, and that'll be about it. The commentators will talk about riding out the storm, braving the hard times through, and it's done.
The beautiful bent corrupt game, weak at the knees and really needs to be put down.

So we can start again, and maybe this time get nearer to what we claim to want.

[End Product]

It's no surprise Whelan's said some things off the record that make Mackay look tame.