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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #480 on: May 9, 2012, 01:18:57 pm »
3. I will swear a lot but I joined a different discussion forum (about motorbikes) and the mod blocked any swear word and ban you if you swore twice. I will say apply this here as it will bring the attitude down a bit.

Good point actually. Although swearing doesn't really bother me sometimes it does make a post a lot more incendiary in tone. Not sure what the fix is as again I'm not one who likes the whole ******* thing, but it requires more self moderation.

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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #481 on: May 9, 2012, 01:23:32 pm »

I have a number of problems with 'likes', upvotes, and user-generated ranking online.


These are all good points. I also hope we don't turn RAWK into a popularity contest. Much of British politics and British television has been ruined by consumers with devices in their hands which allow them to press a button saying 'good' or 'bad'. It encourages the idiot in everyone.   
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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #482 on: May 9, 2012, 01:47:48 pm »
These are all good points. I also hope we don't turn RAWK into a popularity contest. Much of British politics and British television has been ruined by consumers with devices in their hands which allow them to press a button saying 'good' or 'bad'. It encourages the idiot in everyone.   

Agree, do we really want a RAWKs Got Tallent mentality? All that it will encourage is posters to sink to the lowest common denominator when posting rather then posting something that offers a different opinion to the masses.
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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #483 on: May 9, 2012, 02:41:18 pm »
zuchum, yorky and west_london_red - you all sum up my feelings. Popularity is a poor guide to what is interesting or challenging. Some of the most interesting topics on the forum have a relatively low number of replies. There are a lot of threads that tick over nicely with posts and replies from a limited number of people which would never register on the top ten most liked topics or posts.

If the 'un-liked' or 'not-particularly-liked' posts and threads disappear under the weight of the popular threads it would be a real shame and ironically turn RAWK into the thing we're often (incorrectly) accused of - having a party line.
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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #484 on: May 9, 2012, 03:21:12 pm »
Sorry If I am repeating what has been said as I came along very late on this discussion.

1. Like any discussion forum the mods need to decide the level of freedom of speech they would like their "contributes" to have.
i) You either allow full freedom
ii) Or you moderate ALL posts for review

I happen to disagree mate, I think RAWK has worked pretty well to be fair, in opening this can of worms, Kev has fairly asked how we can make RAWK better, but it doesn't need a fundamental sea change. We don't allow full freedom for reasons I posted a few pages back, and we never will. This isn't a chat site based on anyone popping for a natter, its a Liverpoo Football Club fansite that has other areas, and will always be driven by that ethos.
However, we don't have the time nor the urge (being volunteers with other lives to lead too) to moderate every post, RAWK is pretty much self disciplinary and works well. We want to moderate the site, not select/reject every thread.

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2. As moderators you need to allow your contributes to NOT agree with you and of course you not to agree with them .
Example: The manager is shit should not result on a ban because you think overwise. BUT (AND IT IS A BIG BUT) a civilized conversation should take place.

Again I respectfully disagree. For me anyone who writes the manager is shite deserves a few days off to think about what their posting and how they post it. For eg, I disagree with your thoughts here. Do I write "You're a daft wanker,fuck off" or take time to debate your points with mine. Clearly the latter is the way to go. Hence the 2nd part of your sentence I agree with. But I'll happily chuck off this site anyone who calls Kenny a wanker, or is shit.

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3. I will DO swear a lot but I joined a different discussion forum (about motorbikes) and the mod blocked any swear word and ban you if you swore twice. I will say apply this here as it will bring the attitude down a bit.

"Bollocks".
 Swearing doesn't affect the site, choosing to call another poster c*nt does. Again its how you use language, not your opinion.


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4. Everybody need to understand that you can NOT please everybody. Freedom of speech does NOT Mean that we all can agree on something. That would be very very boring discussion forum.
Totally agree.

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So really the only way forwards is to almost moderate all posts prior been posted unless you have earned enough points to contribute freely (Mods will assign points not the number of posts you have submitted). I am not sure if that is possible or not.

That would be possible but utterly impractical to do with over 35000 members on here. It would imply no new members would come on board either and unless we have full time paid professional mods, it won't happen.

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Good luck guys as I cant imagine this been even possible or easy.
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PS. Maybe add more reviewers to approve the posts (not mods)
You would then dilute the ethos of the site and hope that all the reviewers would go along the same lines as the mods and the desired editorial stance of the site which then means you're once more moderating everything which goes against your original wish.
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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #485 on: May 9, 2012, 03:34:15 pm »
It has been pointed out earlier, how annoying it is when an image is quoted and re-quoted time and time again, on the same page.

It's annoying and more importantly, slows the page loading down, greatly.


Obviously, the easiest option is to train people or discourage them from quoting the image in full, but to instead quote the post, but remove the image code from the quoted quote, before posting.

Sometimes though, when you are quoteing an image from a page or two back, it's neccessary to actually quote the image in full, to either A. make your point, or B. so people actually know what post you are quoting.

To facilitate this, is it possible for image quotes to be altered in size, the same way that you can in the 'insert flash' option used in posting video's from say youTube etc.

So in re-quoting an image, you have an option on reducing the image size, yet still be able to quote the image in full, to reference the post you are commenting on or replying to.

Something like quoting this:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/SWaGW5pkIGM?version=3" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/SWaGW5pkIGM?version=3</a>


Instead of this:


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/SWaGW5pkIGM?version=3" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/SWaGW5pkIGM?version=3</a>


But for still images.

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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #486 on: May 9, 2012, 03:41:32 pm »
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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #487 on: May 9, 2012, 03:43:15 pm »
Hey Hinesy sorry maybe I was not clear. I am not up to a full moderated site as it will take the fun away and it will be a huge pain in the ass for the mods.  So really if you want to summarize my opinion would be to NOT change the way the forum is ran but to EDUCATE the end user on how to use THIS forum.

The only thing that I do disagree is with point 2. You can not agree with all the guys in here but that should not make you banned from the site as long as you have a GOOD reasonable reason on why you said what you said , i.e the manager is shit.

One thing I forgot to add before is probably start purging older posts. Or limit (somehow) the number of new topics started.

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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #488 on: May 9, 2012, 03:45:58 pm »

The only thing that I do disagree is with point 2. You can not agree with all the guys in here but that should not make you banned from the site as long as you have a GOOD reasonable reason on why you said what you said , i.e the manager is shit.




If you're saying people should be allowed to have differing opinions on the manager then we allow that.

If you're saying people should be allowed to say he's shit and here are the reasons why then no, I won't allow it as long as I'm a mod here.

If you're saying people should be able to say why we should sack our manager, I still think that's the wrong approach as a Liverpool fan, and whilst debate is allowed, I'm not convinced the way I was brought up as a red that you would ever want to say that.
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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #489 on: May 9, 2012, 03:48:56 pm »
It has been pointed out earlier, how annoying it is when an image is quoted and re-quoted time and time again, on the same page.

Do you want us to start issuing warnings for excessive quoting? The best solution is for people not to do it. If you want to quote a picture, you can quote the post, then just delete the image - there is the link back to the post, and it does not repeat the image...

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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #490 on: May 9, 2012, 03:51:06 pm »
Do you want us to start issuing warnings for excessive quoting? The best solution is for people not to do it. If you want to quote a picture, you can quote the post, then just delete the image - there is the link back to the post, and it does not repeat the image...

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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #491 on: May 9, 2012, 04:05:58 pm »
Now this will put me up to be shot at , but first before i go down in flames.  i fully admit to being as bad as anyone in here at not using some commonsense when posting, especially in the match threads which you get drawn into as its like a drug.

However if I and everyone else thought is this a decent post or reply, does it add any value to the thread before they press send that might help, see I am to quick on the trigger sometimes as are a few in here.

 Also Sarcasm, Irony, or general piss taking infact a lot of humour doesnt really work all that well in forums I think, for example I can make an off the cuff remark as a joke in a decent size post and then only find that remark is quoted and this completely distorts the original idea behind the post as the person has missed the joke or the joke wasnt that good anyway.

Other than that this is the best forum I reckon loads of good discussions and plenty of good advice given about most of the worlds and individual problems and events.
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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #492 on: May 9, 2012, 04:09:00 pm »

3. The RAWK Debates.  Great idea
Yep deffo. It gives a platform of a pro and con opinion that is considered and actually has weight in its arguments. The only downside is that the particular person taking on the less popular side of the debate could get about twenty replies in quick succession just saying 'bollicks' or other inance drivel. Essentially putting forward an unpopular opinion might lead to the thread being derailed by having a swarm of replies all disagreeing then it's difficult for that one person to respond to everyone.


For such debates could we have a champion (and team) for each side, rather than anyone allowed to post. Pros of Adam could be lauded by Fordy say, along with a team he picks, going up against Tepid Water and his team arguring the reverse (I picked those names radomly out of a hat). That way we would stop the button bashing winning and could end up being a decent debate.
At the risk of going too hollywood you could even schedule a date and time for this....possibly post match to give someothing else to read other than knee jerkers!

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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #493 on: May 9, 2012, 04:12:39 pm »
I hope I'm not taking this back to square one, but having digested the posts from Rhi and KiNki, I've got something to add on the issue of 'venting'
I'm not at all convinced that venting should be encouraged. To me, it's akin to allowing a toddler to smear their faeces on the wall because to prevent it would "stifle their creativity". Once given room to gestate it risks contaminating the rest of the board. If we're all trying to improve the writing on this part of the site, I'd say that we shouldn't tolerate this behaviour/type of post. It doesn't contribute anything to anybody else's understanding of what went on; it just seems selfish with nothing at all for your fellow Reds.
Have a "Vent your spleen here" in The Boozer if need be, I know it's mostly harmless and inconsequential and as such it doesn't really belong on the LFC forum.

I have to take my hat off here, that was exactly what I wanted to say but couldn't put it in my own words.

I'm aware that this is a societal thing rather than a RAWK specific thing, but I don't understand for the life of me where this idea of a "right" to an opinion irrespective of it's crassness or stupidity came from. I, as a very young lad, stood on the Kop and listened and learned; I listened to blokes who had watched the 2nd Division days and I got more than a football education there - politics and music allsorts. But the most important thing I learned about was what it was to "Support" Liverpool Football Club. I'm sure there will be people who are rolling their eyes now, but you what, I don't care how cliched you think that might sound, you need to listen.

I started to come onto RAWK to continue my on-going education about the club I love; I don't mind wether that poster is 18 or 88, or indeed what club they support. I am prepared to listen and learn if they make their informed opinions in a reasonable way. For lots of people, for lots of reasons, going to Anfield or wherever isn't possible, so places like RAWK is where I look to to see the learning and experience passed on. If you understand where the Club comes from, then you understand why some can be so vocal and pro-active in defending what is understood as being the right way of doing things. The "Liverpool Way". These men and women aren't 'superfans' - God I hate that phrase - but are doing what LFC Supporters have done for decades, passing down the experience and the knowledge. Sometimes the opinions can be forceful, but then there are times you have to make yourself heard amidst the chatter and shite.

It doesn't mean that every single auld arse has the wisdom of Solomon, but there are a few who are nearly as old. I knew a couple of miserable old gits, Brothers, who had season tickets for the Kemlyn Rd and never missed a game in donkeys years; never sang, never really got worked up and moaned like mad at how rubbish the new players were compared to the old lads. They made their case by moving glasses and matches around the pub table; but you what, they never felt the need to stand on the bar and shout at the top of the voice, "Emlyn Hughes isn't a patch on Big Ron!" like some do these days. They had their opinions and they weren't always popular, but they were made with an understanding based on years of experience. This isn't disrespecting young supporters, RAWK is full of young supporters who are a credit to the club and the heritage they inherit. Some are less so, indeed some aren't even supporters or fans and I can only imagine how hard it must be to Moderate on here some times.

I don't have a problem with somebody posting opinions I don't agree with and putting forward different scenarios if they can back it up with rational and reasoned arguement. I don't often post, and do post short one-liners from time to time, but I very often go away from here to some of the lads in the other offices in work and have a natter about it. But, if all you have to offer is "(Insert name).....is shite!" then I don't think you should be allowed to post that on the main board to be honest. I don't care if you don't agree with a decision made by the Manager, he is Kenny Dalglish you are not equipped to question him. I am interested to read an informed piece about alternative formations or attacking options or whatever.... but if you presume to know more than Mr Dalglish from behind the anonimity of your computer then you should be binned for your arrogance. 

There are some superb scribes, posters and writers on here, and maybe there could be a few more RAWK blogs and opinions threads on the main forum boards, closed to posters and put up as educational threads with selected people invited to contribute based on the quality of posts in other threads. I love learning about this game of ours and still think RAWK is a superb place to do that, but we are changing and I would hate this site to go down the route of other sites.

Ever looked at the likes of the Eurosport Yahoo threads? They are disgusting, full of racist, homophobic anti everything hatred (with a real anti-scouse bile) and seemingly unmoderated. RAWK is moderated far more and I know which I would rather read.
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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #494 on: May 9, 2012, 04:16:55 pm »
Do you want us to start issuing warnings for excessive quoting? The best solution is for people not to do it. If you want to quote a picture, you can quote the post, then just delete the image - there is the link back to the post, and it does not repeat the image...

Using thumbnails in the original post or taking out img tags in follow up posts would also work.
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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #495 on: May 9, 2012, 04:20:05 pm »

I have a number of problems with 'likes', upvotes, and user-generated ranking online.

the proposed model is not actually up-voting, it's merely to approve of the content you have just read.
It's not intended to increase the ranking of the post. At best, it would change the colour of the post so that it stands out if it is particularly good.

It doesn't have to say "like", it could indeed say "dear bellend, please insert like button here".
or it could just say "i agree"

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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #496 on: May 9, 2012, 04:21:46 pm »
oh, is it possible to make it easier to embed videos and add anchor links?
people are always asking how to do both.

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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #497 on: May 9, 2012, 04:25:26 pm »
These are all good points. I also hope we don't turn RAWK into a popularity contest. Much of British politics and British television has been ruined by consumers with devices in their hands which allow them to press a button saying 'good' or 'bad'. It encourages the idiot in everyone.   

Don't fear gents we have no intention of going down that route.  Firstly that list are not new proposals just a summation of the feedback. 

The problem I am trying to address is one of how to keep good posts visible and how to get the authors some feedback other than having people posting "This" underneath.  The example being the Round Tables, I had been a bit disappointed as they did not seem to be getting much attention yet reading this thread they are very popular.  With lots of people simply enjoying reading them and occasionally commenting.
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« Reply #498 on: May 9, 2012, 04:31:01 pm »
the proposed model is not actually up-voting, it's merely to approve of the content you have just read.
It's not intended to increase the ranking of the post. At best, it would change the colour of the post so that it stands out if it is particularly good.

It doesn't have to say "like", it could indeed say "dear bellend, please insert like button here".
or it could just say "i agree"

Indeed.  It could probably be "click here if you found this article interesting"
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« Reply #499 on: May 9, 2012, 04:34:54 pm »
I have to take my hat off here, that was exactly what I wanted to say but couldn't put it in my own words.

I'm aware that this is a societal thing rather than a RAWK specific thing, but I don't understand for the life of me where this idea of a "right" to an opinion irrespective of it's crassness or stupidity came from. I, as a very young lad, stood on the Kop and listened and learned; I listened to blokes who had watched the 2nd Division days and I got more than a football education there - politics and music allsorts. But the most important thing I learned about was what it was to "Support" Liverpool Football Club. I'm sure there will be people who are rolling their eyes now, but you what, I don't care how cliched you think that might sound, you need to listen.

I started to come onto RAWK to continue my on-going education about the club I love; I don't mind wether that poster is 18 or 88, or indeed what club they support. I am prepared to listen and learn if they make their informed opinions in a reasonable way. For lots of people, for lots of reasons, going to Anfield or wherever isn't possible, so places like RAWK is where I look to to see the learning and experience passed on. If you understand where the Club comes from, then you understand why some can be so vocal and pro-active in defending what is understood as being the right way of doing things. The "Liverpool Way". These men and women aren't 'superfans' - God I hate that phrase - but are doing what LFC Supporters have done for decades, passing down the experience and the knowledge. Sometimes the opinions can be forceful, but then there are times you have to make yourself heard amidst the chatter and shite.

It doesn't mean that every single auld arse has the wisdom of Solomon, but there are a few who are nearly as old. I knew a couple of miserable old gits, Brothers, who had season tickets for the Kemlyn Rd and never missed a game in donkeys years; never sang, never really got worked up and moaned like mad at how rubbish the new players were compared to the old lads. They made their case by moving glasses and matches around the pub table; but you what, they never felt the need to stand on the bar and shout at the top of the voice, "Emlyn Hughes isn't a patch on Big Ron!" like some do these days. They had their opinions and they weren't always popular, but they were made with an understanding based on years of experience. This isn't disrespecting young supporters, RAWK is full of young supporters who are a credit to the club and the heritage they inherit. Some are less so, indeed some aren't even supporters or fans and I can only imagine how hard it must be to Moderate on here some times.

I don't have a problem with somebody posting opinions I don't agree with and putting forward different scenarios if they can back it up with rational and reasoned arguement. I don't often post, and do post short one-liners from time to time, but I very often go away from here to some of the lads in the other offices in work and have a natter about it. But, if all you have to offer is "(Insert name).....is shite!" then I don't think you should be allowed to post that on the main board to be honest. I don't care if you don't agree with a decision made by the Manager, he is Kenny Dalglish you are not equipped to question him. I am interested to read an informed piece about alternative formations or attacking options or whatever.... but if you presume to know more than Mr Dalglish from behind the anonimity of your computer then you should be binned for your arrogance. 

There are some superb scribes, posters and writers on here, and maybe there could be a few more RAWK blogs and opinions threads on the main forum boards, closed to posters and put up as educational threads with selected people invited to contribute based on the quality of posts in other threads. I love learning about this game of ours and still think RAWK is a superb place to do that, but we are changing and I would hate this site to go down the route of other sites.

Ever looked at the likes of the Eurosport Yahoo threads? They are disgusting, full of racist, homophobic anti everything hatred (with a real anti-scouse bile) and seemingly unmoderated. RAWK is moderated far more and I know which I would rather read.

"This" he said ironically.  Seriously though folks I make no apologies for quoting this again in its entirety.  RAWK DNA running right through that post because there is LFC DNA running right through that post.
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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #500 on: May 9, 2012, 04:35:27 pm »
Indeed.  It could probably be "click here if you found this article interesting"


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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #501 on: May 9, 2012, 04:46:29 pm »
Indeed.  It could probably be "click here if you found this article interesting"

in my warped mind even that could lead to getting your mates to click on your posts and create a clique mentality, would there be some recognition of how many hits for example?
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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #502 on: May 9, 2012, 04:52:04 pm »
in my warped mind even that could lead to getting your mates to click on your posts and create a clique mentality, would there be some recognition of how many hits for example?

No recognition whatsoever.  All you would get would be a list of users who wanted to show their appreciation for writing a particular OP. 
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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #503 on: May 9, 2012, 05:02:48 pm »
No recognition whatsoever.  All you would get would be a list of users who wanted to show their appreciation for writing a particular OP. 

thats good then, just thinking of all the green and red boxes elsewhere and the fuss that creates.
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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #504 on: May 9, 2012, 06:10:56 pm »
If some kind of "Like" or "Recommend" system were to be implemented, it should simply be for the post itself, while not accumulating some kind of credits for the poster, which could soon turn into a bit of a popularity contest.

<edit> as has already been pointed out now, I see.

I think we all have a good idea who we usually like to read and who we don't.

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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #505 on: May 9, 2012, 06:25:13 pm »
Do you want us to start issuing warnings for excessive quoting? The best solution is for people not to do it. If you want to quote a picture, you can quote the post, then just delete the image - there is the link back to the post, and it does not repeat the image...
Maybe the quoting script can be taught to look for img and flash tags and add spoiler tags around them.
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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #506 on: May 9, 2012, 06:57:51 pm »
The biggest issue I have with Rawk is the fact one or 2 posters can hijack a thread that for the main part is full of sensible discussion but said posters despite having made their stance abundantly clear, feel the need to regurgiatate the same opinion time and time again without adding to the discussion. The Adam and Aquilani threads being examples. Rather then banning people outright who are in general decent posters elsewhere on the forum, I'd like to see restrictions for certain posters in certain threads if they are continually derailing what is otherwise a decent discussion.

See the locked Henderson thread for a perfect example of what I've mentioned above. The poster should be banned from the thread rather than locking it altogether.

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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #507 on: May 9, 2012, 07:26:21 pm »
See the locked Henderson thread for a perfect example of what I've mentioned above. The poster should be banned from the thread rather than locking it altogether.

As we've said, the report to moderator button is the best way to deal with this. It allows us to lock temporarily, clear out the relevant posts (and quotes of posts), issue a warning or PM and allow the thread to get back on track.
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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #508 on: May 9, 2012, 07:38:32 pm »
As the rumour silly season has begun in Liverpool, surely it is clear having a thread to post them in is a non-starter?

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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #509 on: May 9, 2012, 07:50:55 pm »
"This" he said ironically.  Seriously though folks I make no apologies for quoting this again in its entirety.  RAWK DNA running right through that post because there is LFC DNA running right through that post.

Couldn't agree more.  Don't necessarily agree with the part about not questioning Kenny, because done respectfully, I think that's all part of the sorts of debates Liverpool fans have been having for at least 4 decades, which is how long I've been going, watching and obsessing about LFC.

On the Popularity contest, I'd be in favour of there being a bit more of a sort of 2nd tier of posters, who may not be RAWK Scribes, but usually have something interesting and valid to say (when they're not getting into arguments with the Rafa Haters eh FS???).  Perhaps your internal list could be used to add them to a widget or something which would enable those of us who usually enjoy, say, Gremista, or Fat Scouser's posts can be linked straight there?

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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #510 on: May 9, 2012, 07:56:27 pm »
See the locked Henderson thread for a perfect example of what I've mentioned above. The poster should be banned from the thread rather than locking it altogether.

Sometimes a wee breather makes a difference mate - I reckon so anyway.

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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #511 on: May 9, 2012, 08:01:48 pm »
Slowly reading through this. Find myself agreeing with the gist of what Scared_person, Rhi, zero_zero, kiNki and Davvo have posted so far.
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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #512 on: May 9, 2012, 08:12:36 pm »
As the rumour silly season has begun in Liverpool, surely it is clear having a thread to post them in is a non-starter?

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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #513 on: May 9, 2012, 08:12:57 pm »
Sometimes a wee breather makes a difference mate - I reckon so anyway.

I reckon you're right.
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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #514 on: May 9, 2012, 08:19:58 pm »

This is exactly what we want to encourage, people like yourself to take the time to post thought provoking posts. It's because posters like yourself are losing the motivation that we are looking for ways to encourage you to write posts that don't get lost amongst the speculative nonsense.


I'd like to complain about the speed of this thread please, I'm only on page 5 and struggling to keep up. It is the worst combination, a fast moving thread of thought provoking posts. :)

(but thought I wanted to reply to the bove, so excuse me if this post has become irrelevant in the meantime)

I'd like to go along with the bit about thoughtful posts—I've never been much of a poster here, though been on the sight for years, and, as I'm an exile, it's been a godsend. I've also never been much for the one liner posts, nor the big long opinion pieces. When I do post it tends to be the one to three paragraph sort of length. As a few above have mentioned though, this sort of post tends to get swamped fairly quickly in a fast moving thread, and even if someone does reply, it's often so far away that I don't even see it, and so, conversation ended. I don't know if there is a way around this. Though more threads like the round table ones seems to be the way.

Couple of thoughts:

I do recall the hardline stance against "in before the lock" posts that was exceedingly successful. They very quickly stopped entirely. Perhaps this could be taken up in other cases, such as the quote with smiley, or the quote with "this". It would shorten quoting, which would reduce thread length (in inches I mean), and it would get rid of a lot of inane and not particularly useful stuff.

I also recall the attempt at * designated threads, which, at the time, seemed to me to be a brilliant idea, as it looked as though that would encourage the type of posting I like (which is, of course, what RAWK should aim for entirely because the world would be a much better place if only people consistently followed my...  oh, sorry, went off the rails there a bit). But the * thingy didn't seem to work as well as I'd hoped, and I thought it was because you mods actually went pretty easy on it and, as such, the difference between that sort of thread and others wasn't as much as it might have been.

Also, it wasn't clear who would designate a thread as such. A mod? The original poster? The original poster by request to a mod? I like the idea though because it doesn't lock anyone out, it says what it looks for in posts, it shortens and slows threads and it makes it clear that you are likely to be deleted/banned/edited. I think it had great potential and I'd like to see you give it another try. Might also add the proviso that you have to read the thread to post in it (ie, posts that obiviously haven't read the thread get deleted/heavily edited).

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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #515 on: May 9, 2012, 08:52:13 pm »
I'm not a fan of the visible like button on a post, what if someone thinks 'ahh its got loads of likes, no need' or the polar opposite 'oh its been liked x times, must be good'

What I think would be good would be to have a little comment box with a + or a -, that gets put in the users profile or something for him/her only to read. So for example if I enjoyed bepoq's post I would click on the post, press + and add a comment like 'they are really good points mate' and if I didn't like say... Andy bashing Gerrard with a load of swears for hitting a hollywood ball instead of playing Shelvey(sorry Andy :D) in I'd click on the post, hit - and write something like 'what a load of tosh'.

Noone would know which post gets what rating, so their opinions would be free from bias, and the user would only know if they wanted to by checking their +s and -s.

Could even put under our custom titles '103+s and 9-s' or something?? 

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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #516 on: May 9, 2012, 09:18:24 pm »
These are all good points. I also hope we don't turn RAWK into a popularity contest. Much of British politics and British television has been ruined by consumers with devices in their hands which allow them to press a button saying 'good' or 'bad'. It encourages the idiot in everyone.   
As the current RAWK X Factor champion I agree with this.

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Only thing I'd add is that we're often short of volunteers for in match commentary and one or two poor sods seem to do every game so perhaps we could widen the pool of volunteers for that? It's quite good fun to do and some do appreciate it.

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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #517 on: May 9, 2012, 09:18:45 pm »
On the asterisked (*) threads we are happy to bring those back when required especially if there is demand to do so.  I think you are right, they did work. The main drawback with them is the workload for us, which probably limits how often we can have running at a time (and was probably the reason that some of the original ones never got moderated as tightly as you initially hoped).

Hope all that makes sense.
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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #518 on: May 9, 2012, 09:30:29 pm »
Just reiterating that the 'like' function would turn threads into popularity contests and would go a long way towards repressing dissenting views and encourage 'cliquism'.  There is a good reason it is not present in most 'serious' forums.

But it might encourage people to try and produce pieces of writing to try and garner the most 'thumbs up'.
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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #519 on: May 9, 2012, 09:33:39 pm »
Definitely think some form of limiting how many times an individual can post in one specific thread per day is a great idea. I'm thinking the player threads in particular - sometimes you get arguments between two or three people (the usual suspects you might say) that go on for hours, covering the same ground ad nauseam, with no hope of agreement as positions are too entrenched and it all ends in bickering and work for the mods. I know that because I've been guilty of it many times.