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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2560 on: April 12, 2012, 09:57:40 PM »
No we didn't underpay for Suarez and Enrique at all.


We'll agree to disagree on this - think it's pretty clear if you look at them and prices paid in the general market they were both about a third cheaper than they should have been (if we'd paid 30 for Suarez and 10 for Enrique no one would have been saying we were overpaying)
At the very minimum we didn't 'overpay big time' for them and they're both worth more than we paid for them now.

Besides isn't FSG sanctioning this spend? Comolli has directors and owners above him so solely blaming him for prices paid is a red herring

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2561 on: April 12, 2012, 09:57:53 PM »
I think the best things Comolli achieved here was getting shut of the deadwood that was lingering around. I wont credit him with Suarez because his insulting low bids nearly sunk the deal.

But the tactic worked surely? Suarez for £22m was a great deal. We wouldn't have got him for that little if Comolli had gone in at first with a bid of, say, £18m.

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2562 on: April 12, 2012, 09:57:54 PM »
the way i see it

FSG gets rid of director of football, moves kenny upstairs to DOF, doesnt look like sacking, keeps popularity with fans


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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2563 on: April 12, 2012, 09:59:03 PM »
I think we can be pretty certain downin wasn't good value can't we?

We paid £20m for him and he's delivered very little and is now 28 and we would never get £20m back for him....
He's not value which ever way you look at it is he?

Possibly,

If he goes and burns up the euro,s then maybe you could get close to that for him.

Even allowing for that the jury is out on the rest. For me it can't be about the actual signings and must have been more about relationships and dc not truly understanding what fsg were asking of him.
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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2564 on: April 12, 2012, 09:59:30 PM »
And if he weren't he would have cost more... He had an excellent season last season... We forget that.

I think execellent is pushing it somewhat and his deficiencies were apparent from day one. Better players have moved for less than adam and some that are far superior have most for just a bit more, sahin comes to mind as does granero, parejo and others.

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2565 on: April 12, 2012, 10:01:02 PM »
cant wait for the next anfield wrap after all this.

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2566 on: April 12, 2012, 10:02:35 PM »
I think execellent is pushing it somewhat and his deficiencies were apparent from day one. Better players have moved for less than adam and some that are far superior have most for just a bit more, sahin comes to mind as does granero, parejo and others.
Very harsh, he caused lots of teams lots of problems last season....

He cost £5.5 m (according to tony Barrett). That was an absolute snip on last seasons form.
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« Reply #2567 on: April 12, 2012, 10:03:36 PM »
But I don't think this is about overpaying.... It's about getting value .... They're not the same thing.

Unless my command of English fails me, they are exactly the same thing.
Can you explain how they are not? (I mean this from an English language point of view, my views on this or that transfer are nothing to do with it).

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2568 on: April 12, 2012, 10:04:01 PM »
Hasn't Comoli been sacked or has sacked off most clubs he's been involved with? Common theme. Also, the buy British policy was implemented towards the end of raffas reign, by raffa himself. There are multiple quotes from the man himself that my phone is mentally restricting me from searching for and posting but I just thought we should put that in to perspective considering the "kennys idea to buy British" bollix

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2569 on: April 12, 2012, 10:05:06 PM »
Unless my command of English fails me, they are exactly the same thing.
Can you explain how they are not? (I mean this from an English language point of view, my views on this or that transfer are nothing to do with it).
Ach, you know what I mean.
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« Reply #2570 on: April 12, 2012, 10:06:09 PM »
From here on in its all FSG's doing. Good or bad they will stand or fall by the decisions they have made in the summer of 2012. Lets hope they have gotten it right.

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2571 on: April 12, 2012, 10:07:26 PM »
Very harsh, he caused lots of teams lots of problems last season....

He cost £5.5 m (according to tony Barrett). That was an absolute snip on last seasons form.


It's how he's fared for us that counts.

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« Reply #2572 on: April 12, 2012, 10:07:28 PM »
Do we have a final list of confirmed and rumoured casualties for today? I've missed the last 30 or so pages.

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2573 on: April 12, 2012, 10:07:53 PM »
My thoughts are thus: What you pay for a player is irrelevant, it's what you get from them. The fact remains that ON THE PITCH, Carroll has not looked like the player he was at Newcastle, Downing has been poor. Don't see anyone praising Comolli for getting Suarez in who, for me, is worth more than what we paid for him.

If I was a shopkeeper and I ordered my stockist to get the items in I wanted and they didn't sell, why would I fire the bloke who just did the negotiating?

The problem is, the results meant there needed to be a scapegoat and Comolli was the easiest one to take the bullet. Kenny is just as culpable in my eyes and I find it absolutely amazing that nobody spotted the flaws in the Best of British transfer policy.

Enrique and Suarez have been the best value for money in my opinion and both foreign. You tell me when was the last English player to justify his price tag?

As much as Kenny is a legend, he is not immune from criticism and he has dropped a major rick in the transfer market. Rafa got accused of bringing in shite, but at least it was cheap.

FSG don't need to make up stories.

They did it one way and Comolli was suited to it. Now they want to change direction and either he isn't suited or he doesn't want to be suited to it.

Kenny makes a point of defending the selections as he doesn't want say they're all rubbish 48hrs before a semi-final.


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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2574 on: April 12, 2012, 10:07:55 PM »
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Ok people, I've been told http://www.bbc.co.uk/football will name #Comolli's replacement in the next 15 minutes or so! Keep logged on!!!!!
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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2575 on: April 12, 2012, 10:08:46 PM »
It's how he's fared for us that counts.
That's a fair point....
But I suppose at the time it was a good price....
I reckon we could still sell him at a profit, but it's true that he doesn't add much value to the team at the moment.
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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2576 on: April 12, 2012, 10:09:14 PM »
Ok people, I've been told http://t.co/eXK4aLnZ will name #Comolli's replacement in the next 15 minutes or so! Keep logged on!!!!!

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2577 on: April 12, 2012, 10:09:42 PM »
Can anybody please explain where the 'disconnect' was with Comolli that Werner was referring to?

Was he just referring to Comolli buying shite,expensive young players or did we read the FSG plan all wrong?

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2578 on: April 12, 2012, 10:09:57 PM »
Who's Nick Parrott? Name rings a bell.

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2579 on: April 12, 2012, 10:10:33 PM »
Very harsh, he caused lots of teams lots of problems last season....

He cost £5.5 m (according to tony Barrett). That was an absolute snip on last seasons form.

He was a good player for blackpool, I'm not denying that mate. But better players around the continent have moved for less, dortmunds starting 11 yesterday cost under 12million pounds just as a stark comparison.
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« Reply #2580 on: April 12, 2012, 10:10:40 PM »
C'mon Txiki!
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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2581 on: April 12, 2012, 10:10:58 PM »
Who's Nick Parrott? Name rings a bell.

Works for the BBC. Big red.

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2582 on: April 12, 2012, 10:10:59 PM »
If I was a shopkeeper and I ordered my stockist to get the items in I wanted and they didn't sell, why would I fire the bloke who just did the negotiating?


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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2583 on: April 12, 2012, 10:11:12 PM »
Who's Nick Parrott? Name rings a bell.
Is he the Beeb journalist that was the only one posting positive stories about us during the Suarez affair? Pics of him at Anfield and that?

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« Reply #2584 on: April 12, 2012, 10:11:28 PM »
Ach, you know what I mean.

No I don't, which is why I asked :)

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« Reply #2585 on: April 12, 2012, 10:11:44 PM »
Ok people, I've been told http://t.co/eXK4aLnZ will name #Comolli's replacement in the next 15 minutes or so! Keep logged on!!!!!

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Got my doubts, but one thing the club does seem to do is make sure the news breaks very late at night so none of the papers can get it in the next days papers, so it's possible.
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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2586 on: April 12, 2012, 10:11:45 PM »
Who's Nick Parrott? Name rings a bell.
Works for the bbc

He was the journo who said he heard the racist shout from a crowd member and that the guy said "manc" not "black"
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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2587 on: April 12, 2012, 10:11:46 PM »
C'mon Txiki!

I've seen his name mentioned in the thread. Who is he?
From here on in its all FSG's doing. Good or bad they will stand or fall by the decisions they have made in the summer of 2012. Lets hope they have gotten it right.

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2588 on: April 12, 2012, 10:12:12 PM »
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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2589 on: April 12, 2012, 10:12:39 PM »
Got my doubts, but one thing the club does seem to do is make sure the news breaks very late at night so none of the papers can get it in the next days papers, so it's possible.
You're right....
Well see, still it would directly oppose what Werner said earlier.
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« Reply #2590 on: April 12, 2012, 10:12:57 PM »
Is he the Beeb journalist that was the only one posting positive stories about us during the Suarez affair? Pics of him at Anfield and that?

It was during the Adeyemi incident I think.
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« Reply #2591 on: April 12, 2012, 10:13:30 PM »
Works for the bbc

He was the journo who said he heard the racist shout from a crowd member and that the guy said "manc" not "black"

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« Reply #2592 on: April 12, 2012, 10:13:39 PM »
Is he the Beeb journalist that was the only one posting positive stories about us during the Suarez affair? Pics of him at Anfield and that?

Ahh, think that's it, he was keeping everybody updated when that Oldham lad thought he was being targetted.

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« Reply #2593 on: April 12, 2012, 10:13:47 PM »
:butt


Feel sorry for Andy Carroll there.

He's not worth £35m... But that doesn't mean he couldn't still be a really good player for us.


This kind of stuff isn't healthy for him.
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« Reply #2594 on: April 12, 2012, 10:13:58 PM »
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« Reply #2595 on: April 12, 2012, 10:14:12 PM »
I've seen his name mentioned in the thread. Who is he?

He was DoF at Barcelona during the Laporta years.
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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #2596 on: April 12, 2012, 10:14:13 PM »
Darren Burgess -  the head of fitness and conditioning, is one of a small army of sports scientists brought in by Bruckner.  It should probably surprise no-one if many leave with him.

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« Reply #2597 on: April 12, 2012, 10:14:14 PM »
I've just seen Kenny's interview in full for the first time and he seems as sincere as you'd expect Kenny to be. Despite people thinking he'd hold his counsel appropriately it looked to me as if he was genuinely shocked and indeed disappointed.

I hope the underlying strategy isn't a hidden "check" to Kenny allowing him to go about his business in the summer on the basis that if performances on the pitch don't improve by November it becomes "checkmate".

This is certainly evidence of ruthlessness to a degree we should really welcome if we expect them to take he club forward. The big judgement would be if they become more ambitious than some of our supporters.

Overall, I'm unaffected by this providing Kenny isn't disadvantaged, someone must come in to do the business dealings for Kenny to ease his workload.

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« Reply #2598 on: April 12, 2012, 10:14:32 PM »
Surely the Liverpool site would confirm it before the BBC???

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« Reply #2599 on: April 12, 2012, 10:14:40 PM »
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The "black bastard" comment allegedly shouted from the kop
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