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Re: Jordan Henderson
« Reply #240 on: March 5, 2012, 09:34:12 PM »

One thing's for sure, England's future centre midfield partnering of Henderson and Wilshere looks pretty good considering their age.
And that's even without considering Jonjo.

Very true, both regular u21's anyway and Henderson's the captain.

But they'll be lucky to be in the England setup at all. Whereas Cleverley walks in after one good charity shield game. 'He was on loan and was good, blah blah' - Yes, but he wasn't in the England squad then was he? Same with Phil Jones, Chris Smalling etc. So friggin obvious.

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Re: Jordan Henderson
« Reply #241 on: March 5, 2012, 09:36:04 PM »
Very true, both regular u21's anyway and Henderson's the captain.

But they'll be lucky to be in the England setup at all. Whereas Cleverley walks in after one good charity shield game. 'He was on loan and was good, blah blah' - Yes, but he wasn't in the England squad then was he? Same with Phil Jones, Chris Smalling etc. So friggin obvious.

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Re: Jordan Henderson
« Reply #242 on: March 5, 2012, 10:17:53 PM »
Anyone notice a pattern here? Gerrard out = Henderson good performance.

I think Stevie is such a presence that others around him shrink into his shadow.

The lad was much much better again on Saturday and will work well with Lucas when he comes back next season.

High hopes for Jordan.

My hopes are that Henderson is Gerrard's Replacement. I would like to see him score a few more goals tho. Actually I'd like to see everyone in the squad score more goals. But I was looking at the similarities in stats between them.

In 2000-01, Steven Gerrard was 21 and playing for the third year in the senior squad. Liverpool hadn't won a trophy in 5 years. We ended up winning the Carling (Worthington) Cup, FA Cup and the UEFA Cup that year. These were Gerrards stats.
                 LA   LG    CA   CG    LCA  LCG  EA    EG    TA    TG
2000–01   33   7   4   1   4   0   9   2   50   10

In 2011-12, Jordan Henderson is 21 and playing his first year in the liverpool senior squad but third year in the premier league. LFC havent won a trophy in 5-6 years. We've now won the carling cup and the FA cup is on the cards. These are Jordan's stats and there are still alot of games to go.
2011–12   22   1   1   0   3   0   0   0   26   1
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Re: Jordan Henderson
« Reply #243 on: March 5, 2012, 10:21:29 PM »
My hopes are that Henderson is Gerrard's Replacement. I would like to see him score a few more goals tho. Actually I'd like to see everyone in the squad score more goals. But I was looking at the similarities in stats between them.

In 2000-01, Steven Gerrard was 21 and playing for the third year in the senior squad. Liverpool hadn't won a trophy in 5 years. We ended up winning the Carling (Worthington) Cup, FA Cup and the UEFA Cup that year. These were Gerrards stats.
                 LA   LG    CA   CG    LCA  LCG  EA    EG    TA    TG
2000–01   33   7   4   1   4   0   9   2   50   10

In 2011-12, Jordan Henderson is 21 and playing his first year in the liverpool senior squad but third year in the premier league. LFC havent won a trophy in 5-6 years. We've now won the carling cup and the FA cup is on the cards. These are Jordan's stats and there are still alot of games to go.
2011–12   22   1   1   0   3   0   0   0   26   1

If you're going to compare, it's better to compare performances rather than use stats with no context like this. Henderson still has a long way to go before he can be considered Gerrard's replacement, and that's not a slight on the lad by any means.

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Re: Jordan Henderson
« Reply #244 on: March 5, 2012, 10:31:16 PM »
I think next season is a big one for Jordan.

He'll be 22 when the season starts, with over 100 Premier League appearances and loads of caps as Captain for the England u21 side.

I appreciate he is still young and learning his trade but he's got enough experience behind him now to push on and start contributing with goals/assists, if he is going to continue to play in an attacking role.

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Re: Jordan Henderson
« Reply #245 on: March 5, 2012, 10:47:43 PM »
Hope he gets more time in the centre playing on the wing won't do him any harm but needs to be in the centre , don't see him as Stevie's replacement it's Shevley I see filling Stevie's boots.
Shev and henderson hopefully are going to be our main two in the middle in the future

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Re: Jordan Henderson
« Reply #246 on: March 6, 2012, 02:06:45 AM »
Hope he gets more time in the centre playing on the wing won't do him any harm but needs to be in the centre , don't see him as Stevie's replacement it's Shevley I see filling Stevie's boots.
Shev and henderson hopefully are going to be our main two in the middle in the future

yes, Shelvey and henderson in midfield is what im really looking forward to with luacs the anchor. Mouthwatering stuff that as all have very different qualities but all very very talented. can all play great balls long and short with shelvy the one to push on into that advanced role

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Re: Jordan Henderson
« Reply #247 on: March 6, 2012, 03:11:02 AM »
He's got it in him to become a very good central midfielder...but he's simply a horrible choice for that right wing. I'd love to know what Kenny is thinking. I'd have Kuyt or Maxi there above him everytime.

The only real benefit is his crossing is decent and he runs his socks off.

With goalscoring being our problem, would it not make sense to put someone there who can get into the area when needed and support the strikers - add a little creativity, get on the end of some chances, etc.

Nothing against the kid, but he's really adding very little to the team from that right side...yet Kenny persists. I'd love to know the reasoning.

 
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Re: Jordan Henderson
« Reply #248 on: March 10, 2012, 05:15:24 PM »
what the fuck are we doing playing him on the wing?
are we seeing something as fans that the managerial team can't see? are they seeing something that we can't see?

in terms of tactics, this has been my biggest question regarding kenny the whole season. why do we persist in doing this? it also has the effect of forcing us to play adam.

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Re: Jordan Henderson
« Reply #249 on: March 10, 2012, 05:17:46 PM »
Utterly rubbish,

Not good/fast enough to play as a winger and does not have the intelligence to play as a center midfield.

Why did we buy him?

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Re: Jordan Henderson
« Reply #250 on: March 10, 2012, 05:18:20 PM »
Didn't have a great game today but nowhere near the worst player on the pitch. Thought he did a lot of good things, actually, and looked like he really wanted to win the game - which is more than I can say for several of the others. We really have to stop playing him with Adam though, as it's not helping him at all.
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« Reply #251 on: March 10, 2012, 05:19:05 PM »
Done his usual thaaang! Nothing.

Didn't have a great game today but nowhere near the worst player on the pitch.

Meaning what exactly? Should we only comments on players, working our way back from worst to least worst(shut up that makes complete sense)?

I agree though, there's not a lot to get upset about with Henderson after today, not when he's done nothing all season anyway.
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Re: Jordan Henderson
« Reply #252 on: March 10, 2012, 05:19:57 PM »
Utterly rubbish,

Not good/fast enough to play as a winger and does not have the intelligence to play as a center midfield.

Why did we buy him?

I think he is one of our more intelligent players. How many times has he actually played in this center mid position he's no good at?

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Re: Jordan Henderson
« Reply #253 on: March 10, 2012, 05:20:19 PM »
Utterly rubbish,

Not good/fast enough to play as a winger and does not have the intelligence to play as a center midfield.

Why did we buy him?

He's English. And young.
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Re: Jordan Henderson
« Reply #254 on: March 10, 2012, 05:20:45 PM »
Utterly rubbish,

Not good/fast enough to play as a winger and does not have the intelligence to play as a center midfield.

Why did we buy him?

He does have the intelligence and quality to play centre midfield but he very rarely plays there. Very frustrating.
 Bar the Arsenal game his recent performances have been very poor unfortunately.

Still got more hope for him than Adam though.
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Re: Jordan Henderson
« Reply #255 on: March 10, 2012, 05:21:01 PM »
Utterly rubbish,

Not good/fast enough to play as a winger and does not have the intelligence to play as a center midfield.

Why did we buy him?

BUT BUT BUT ..... Hes still young ..... is what some of the super fans would say.

If you spend 16-20 mill on talent. You spend that kind of money on players you know is going to be an instant impact or exceptional (and i bloody mean exceptional talent).  Henderson and Carroll doesnt fall in either of those categories. Henderson WILL become a good player, im sure of it, and so will Carroll, but questions marks needs to be asked of Kenny and Comolli, and their transfer dealings. If Kenny wanted Henderson that badly and for that price, you best make sure hes gonna be good.

But this transfer has backfired on him.

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Re: Jordan Henderson
« Reply #256 on: March 10, 2012, 05:24:14 PM »
If he was being played in his best position and not performing, then questions could be asked, but as things stand he is inexperienced, out of position, and in a midfield lacking drive and direction.

Jordan Henderson is the least of our concerns, and evidently people have not learned their Lucas Leiva shaped lesson.
I got the Lucas thing wrong. Will be right on Henderson though. Play him RM, play him CM - Not good enough and never will be.

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« Reply #257 on: March 10, 2012, 05:24:22 PM »
Give it time and he'll gel as a good central midfielder, but playing every game in an average team isn't gonna help his confidence or his development.

With Lucas out and Gerrard touch and go we don't have any other choices really, so its like a vicious cycle for him.
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« Reply #258 on: March 10, 2012, 05:26:15 PM »
If he was being played in his best position and not performing, then questions could be asked, but as things stand he is inexperienced, out of position, and in a midfield lacking drive and direction.

Jordan Henderson is the least of our concerns, and evidently people have not learned their Lucas Leiva shaped lesson.

You can throw around that Lucas statement at every other player that's not performing, but this 'He could do a Lucas' is just smoke a mirrors to be honest.

Heck I could have thrown that statement at Voronin ..... he was shite .... but he could have done a Lucas.

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Re: Jordan Henderson
« Reply #259 on: March 10, 2012, 05:29:20 PM »
If he was being played in his best position and not performing, then questions could be asked, but as things stand he is inexperienced, out of position, and in a midfield lacking drive and direction.

Jordan Henderson is the least of our concerns, and evidently people have not learned their Lucas Leiva shaped lesson.

We brought him as a right winger last season, thats where he played the majority of his games last season for Sunderland. He is a ineffective player pretty much everywhere he plays, i see him play there for the u-21s regularly and he is nearly always outshone by players like Lansbury who play for lesser teams, i think that  says a lot to be honest.

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« Reply #260 on: March 10, 2012, 05:31:25 PM »
A player that's contributed next to fuck all to our season and lacks the balls to deserve to be a starting 11 player for us.

It's a miscarriage of justice how he gets into the side week in week out ahead of Maxi, let alone Shelvey or anyone else.

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Re: Jordan Henderson
« Reply #261 on: March 10, 2012, 05:31:26 PM »
Henderson usually maintains possession and has a decent work rate.

He applies no pressure on defense.

He doesn't look to me like he can open up a composed defense with either a dribble or a 1-2 with a forward.
I can appreciate that player needs development to boss a game, but these two weaknesses worry me in a offensive midfielder.

That said, transfer fees are sunk costs. I keep him, play him in the middle when I can and before Adam who doesn't give you the work rate, is worse defensively.
I hope mgt is pointing out these flaws and telling him its his job to improve on the above.




 

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Re: Jordan Henderson
« Reply #262 on: March 10, 2012, 05:31:57 PM »
You can throw around that Lucas statement at every other player that's not performing, but this 'He could do a Lucas' is just smoke a mirrors to be honest.

Heck I could have thrown that statement at Voronin ..... he was shite .... but he could have done a Lucas.

He applies to Lucas because he is a young, inexperienced, central midfielder adapting to a new Club, with new, much higher expectations.
If you cannot see the parrallels there then I don't know what I can do for you...

As for the Voronin 'argument'...
I got the Lucas thing wrong. Will be right on Henderson though. Play him RM, play him CM - Not good enough and never will be.

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Re: Jordan Henderson
« Reply #263 on: March 10, 2012, 05:33:45 PM »
You can throw around that Lucas statement at every other player that's not performing, but this 'He could do a Lucas' is just smoke a mirrors to be honest.

Heck I could have thrown that statement at Voronin ..... he was shite .... but he could have done a Lucas.

His point is a valid one, unlike your comparison given their age, experience and being played in an unfamiliar position. We have some problems at present in midfield and up front and these need to be addressed and Henderson isn't perfect (he wasn't particularly good today) but there are other issues as well. Like a lot of people did with Lucas, he's being critcised and written off and instead of giving him a bit of time and patience to develop and grow, we want results immediately. It's a wider problem - what with the calls for Rafa back - and a lack patience (and the results of that) is something we've evidently not learnt from. That is a hell of a lot more disappointing than our loss today.
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Re: Jordan Henderson
« Reply #264 on: March 10, 2012, 05:33:54 PM »
We brought him as a right winger last season, thats where he played the majority of his games last season for Sunderland. He is a ineffective player pretty much everywhere he plays, i see him play there for the u-21s regularly and he is nearly always outshone by players like Lansbury who play for lesser teams, i think that  says a lot to be honest.

He will be a central midfielder for Liverpool.
England U21's are not the yardstick of which to judge players, I'd be more concerned by Jordan thriving under Stuart Pearce than I would be encouraged.
And it says fuck all, have some patience with the lad.
I got the Lucas thing wrong. Will be right on Henderson though. Play him RM, play him CM - Not good enough and never will be.

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Re: Jordan Henderson
« Reply #265 on: March 10, 2012, 05:36:11 PM »
I rate the lad and agree he has the potential to be better than Meireles for us. The key word there is potential...

It would have made more sense to keep Meireles and ease Henderson in gradually. Instead Meireles was sold and the pressure was on the 21 year old to come in and be instantly better than an established Portugese International. That's unfair on him and inevitably he's not currently at the level Meireles was.

Despite how much we spent on Henderson and Adam, the brutal truth is our midfield simply isn't good enough.

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Re: Jordan Henderson
« Reply #266 on: March 10, 2012, 05:36:57 PM »
spends his whole time on the pitch hiding,shocking player.
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Re: Jordan Henderson
« Reply #267 on: March 10, 2012, 05:37:39 PM »
I thought he did all right

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« Reply #268 on: March 10, 2012, 05:38:23 PM »
His point is a valid one, unlike your comparison given their age, experience and being played in an unfamiliar position. We have some problems at present in midfield and up front and these need to be addressed and Henderson isn't perfect (he wasn't particularly good today) but there are other issues as well. Like a lot of people did with Lucas, he's being critcised and written off and instead of giving him a bit of time and patience to develop and grow, we want results immediately. It's a wider problem - what with the calls for Rafa back - and a lack patience (and the results of that) is something we've evidently not learnt from. That is a hell of a lot more disappointing than our loss today.


Jordan Henderson: a young, English, central midfielder, adapting to a new environment and new expectations, signed by Kenny Dalglish as an investment in Liverpool's future
Lucas Leiva: a young, Brazilian, central midfielder, adapting to a new environment and new expectations, signed by Rafa Benitez as an investment Liverpool's future.
Andriy Voronin: an ageing, overweight, journeyman Ukrainian striker, signed as a stop gap.
I got the Lucas thing wrong. Will be right on Henderson though. Play him RM, play him CM - Not good enough and never will be.

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Re: Jordan Henderson
« Reply #269 on: March 10, 2012, 05:38:34 PM »
He will be a central midfielder for Liverpool.
England U21's are not the yardstick of which to judge players, I'd be more concerned by Jordan thriving under Stuart Pearce than I would be encouraged.
And it says fuck all, have some patience with the lad.

And neither is the odd good game in central midfield as well, how many good games have you seen him play in the centre, especially when we went out and spent 16 million on him on the back of his performances off the right.

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Re: Jordan Henderson
« Reply #270 on: March 10, 2012, 05:39:40 PM »
I have a lot of time for people slagging off Adam, as his limitations are obvious and he's not so young that we can expect him to improve.  I will listen to people moan about Carroll; he's a bit younger, but again, his limitations are evident.

I will, however, defend Henderson, for the same reason I defended Lucas about 3 years ago when he was facing many of the same criticisms.  He's not a world-class player, and to be honest, I doubt that he ever will be.  However, it is clear that inside him, somewhere, is a very good player.  He's still quite young, though he does have quite a bit of experience at the top level already, and I think in two or three years he can be a first XI player for a side that wins the league.  He's not perfect, and we're going to suffer through some growing pains as he learns, but I think he'll come good.  Vision, skill in tight areas, knowing how to weight a pass - these are the qualities that, once his rough edges are worn down a bit (and he's played in the middle a bit more!) will lead us to really appreciate Henderson in red in a few years.
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Re: Jordan Henderson
« Reply #271 on: March 10, 2012, 05:40:39 PM »
And neither is the odd good game in central midfield as well, how many good games have you seen him play in the centre, especially when we went out and spent 16 million on him on the back of his performances off the right.

I've seen him play on the right more times than I have seen him in the centre, but it is hard not to see the promise in him, good technique, good engine, speed of mind and in play, hard worker.
All his good attributes will be enhanced in the centre, as a winger he is not.
I got the Lucas thing wrong. Will be right on Henderson though. Play him RM, play him CM - Not good enough and never will be.

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Re: Jordan Henderson
« Reply #272 on: March 10, 2012, 05:40:55 PM »
Jordan Henderson: a young, English, central midfielder, adapting to a new environment and new expectations, signed by Kenny Dalglish as an investment in Liverpool's future
Lucas Leiva: a young, Brazilian, central midfielder, adapting to a new environment and new expectations, signed by Rafa Benitez as an investment Liverpool's future.
Andriy Voronin: an ageing, overweight, journeyman Ukrainian striker, signed as a stop gap.

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Re: Jordan Henderson
« Reply #273 on: March 10, 2012, 05:41:59 PM »
this is what is starting to wind me up a lot on here.we`re to quick to slate individual players when the whole team were absolutely shite today.

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Re: Jordan Henderson
« Reply #274 on: March 10, 2012, 05:42:06 PM »
If they was an award for the pointless signing of the summer transfer window - then us signing  Henderson for 13m-16m + add on's(20m) would win it hands down.

Just not stepping up for me and I sorry but he won't do a lucus(not many will).

Play him rm or cm it makes no difference.


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Re: Jordan Henderson
« Reply #275 on: March 10, 2012, 05:42:08 PM »
People are hilariously fickle.

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Re: Jordan Henderson
« Reply #276 on: March 10, 2012, 05:42:48 PM »
Don't know what people are complaining about. He did alright, not as good as in the previous game, but not that bad either. Henderson reflects whats in the middle of the park and when you have a headless chicken there what do you expect him to do? I agree that he will learn from Gerrard and Lucas, but do we really want him to learn from Adam?
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Re: Jordan Henderson
« Reply #277 on: March 10, 2012, 05:42:49 PM »
I've seen him play on the right more times than I have seen him in the centre, but it is hard not to see the promise in him, good technique, good engine, speed of mind and in play, hard worker.
All his good attributes will be enhanced in the centre, as a winger he is not.

Before we signed him i would actually say his best attributes were his crossing and engine, all attributes that would see him do well on the right. I think he will be a good player in the future, but not the first team player we need if we want o be challenging for titles here and abroad.

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Re: Jordan Henderson
« Reply #278 on: March 10, 2012, 05:43:08 PM »
May well develop into a quality player, but he has played far too much this season. And his contribution has not been anything special. Spearing is a more important player to the squad/team. JH should of course not be played at RM ahead of for example Maxi.

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Re: Jordan Henderson
« Reply #279 on: March 10, 2012, 05:43:16 PM »
If they was an award for the pointless signing of the summer transfer window - then us signing  Henderson for 13m-16m + add on's(20m) would win it hands down.

Just not stepping up for me and I sorry but he won't do a lucus(not many will).

Play him rm or cm it makes no difference.


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