Topic: Comolli: Only 1or 2 adjustments in the summer

[Red Cez]

I'm a massive fan of Sebastian Giovinco. If we went with a really attacking front 3 I reckon he'd tear the Prem a new one.

[El_Pistolero]

Having seen Shelvey several times on loan and for you a few times I think he is an average (typically hyped) English youth lacking in technical ability.

Lacking in technical ability? Are you fucking blind?

[Zaffarious]

I'm a massive fan of Sebastian Giovinco. If we went with a really attacking front 3 I reckon he'd tear the Prem a new one.

dont think we can afford to have two players who are totally unpredictable.

[blue.moon]

Lacking in technical ability? Are you fucking blind?

No, mate. You consider Shelvey technical?

The standards in England..

[Juan Loco]

Technical what?

Technically, Jonjo Shelvey is a football.

Theoretically he's a good one, practically we're unsure.

[blue.moon]

Technical what?

Technically, Jonjo Shelvey is a football.

Theoretically he's a good one, practically we're unsure.

Are you taking the piss or do I need to explain what it is to be technical?

P.S. Technically, he's a human, not a football.

[El_Pistolero]

Are you taking the piss or do I need to explain what it is to be technical?

Good with a spanner?

I'd love to here what you think technique is, and how he's lacking in it.

[Red_Isle_Chap]

Are you taking the piss or do I need to explain what it is to be technical?

go on then

[Juan Loco]

Are you taking the piss or do I need to explain what it is to be technical?

Go for it!

Edit: I did of course mean "footballer", but these words are so vague and ultimately meaningless that I think I'll leave the mistake in there. Jonjo Shelvey is a football. There is no spoon.

[Studog]

I don't get all the Henderson bashing. When he's played through the middle I think he's looked good. I do however think he'll become a carrick type player, but maybe slightly more attacking.

I also think shelvey will become a good attacking mid. He has the cockiness about him to become a great I think. When I've seen him he's always looking sharp and very keen but just slightly out of sync with the other attackers. This will come with more game time I think.

As for the 1 or 2 additions. I don't think it'll be anyone massive unless they sell someone decent or it's a rw. I doubt they'll bring in ground or someone like that because we seem to play rather better with a single striker and various support players, whether they be wingers or players coming from the midfield so bringing in another striker seems unlikely for me.
I don't see Martinez coming either. His positions of dm and cb seem well covered. He's been playing a lot of cb this season as well.
Someone like Marin I would really like to see but he's a lw and it means playing downing on the right where i personally think he's terrible.
I honestly believe if there is a fairly reasonable addition it will be a right winger

[rocco]

Are you taking the piss or do I need to explain what it is to be technical?

P.S. Technically, he's a human, not a football.

What are you expecting from a 19 year old getting time in the premierleague

Nothing wrong with his technical ability , depends on your comparison ?

Personally i see Shev becoming a proper box to box mid , taking the game by the scruff and driving us forward and in time improving on his defensive side

[Cpt_Reina]

Are you taking the piss or do I need to explain what it is to be technical?

P.S. Technically, he's a human, not a football.

If you manage to do it without mentioning David Silva you get bonus points.

[Red Cez]

dont think we can afford to have two players who are totally unpredictable.

Fair point. The main reason why I would want us to go for Giovinco is precisely because of that ability to do the unexpected. We are far too predictable in the final third, having  Giovinco (or someone similar) and Suarez playing as tucked in wingers alongside a solid front man would be anything but predictable.

[Gnurglan]

I don't get all the Henderson bashing. When he's played through the middle I think he's looked good. I do however think he'll become a carrick type player, but maybe slightly more attacking.

Don't think it's right to bash Henderson. He's a young player and we need to remember that. For a young player, new at a top club, he has done well. Would say that the questionmarks are there over the decision to sign him for that much and the decision to play him every week. That is, management decisions rather than Henderson are being questioned. (At least that's how it is for me.)

[gandalf968]

I feel we need wingers who have intelligence and trickery ..and i might go  for a striker but i still believe in caroll.. if we get two winger like suarez and if u put suarez in the role gerrard was before when he  delivered those final balls to torres..Its bang on chances and goals..

[rocco]

Would love to see another inside forward like Suarez and a new striker

4231

Suarez Gerrard ?
............New striker

[lfcmaster]

diame of wigan contract is up at the end of the season

could be a good backup for lucas

[Mutton Geoff]

Fair point. The main reason why I would want us to go for Giovinco is precisely because of that ability to do the unexpected. We are far too predictable in the final third, having  Giovinco (or someone similar) and Suarez playing as tucked in wingers alongside a solid front man would be anything but predictable.

we are  predictable in the final third we always hit the woodwork or miss, however if now and then Luis did something predictable as well rather than trying special stuff we may have scored more, sometimes the easy pass to a fellow player is the right one. As for Jonjo not being technical 

[Zlen]

we are not unpredictable in the final third we always hit the woodwork or miss, that is predictable.

He probably meant consistent.
We are consistently predictable.

[Mutton Geoff]

He probably meant consistent.
We are consistently predictable.

yeah I had a rethink as well.

[Sarge]

Scream at me all you want but i would love to try this,

                       Reina
      Coates      Skrtel      Agger
             Lucas         Another
Another                             Enrique
                    Gerrard
       Suarez                  Another

Subs: Doni, Johnson, Kelly, Henderson, Adam, Downing, Carroll.

[Cpt_Reina]

Scream at me all you want but i would love to try this,

                       Reina
      Coates      Skrtel      Agger
             Lucas         Another
Another                             Enrique
                    Gerrard
       Suarez                  Another

Subs: Doni, Johnson, Kelly, Henderson, Adam, Downing, Carroll.

Why would you have Enrique as a wingback and not Johnson?

Johnson's far more suited to the role imo. Enrique is pretty dire once he gets in to the opposition half.

[El_Pistolero]

Scream at me all you want but i would love to try this,

                       Reina
      Coates      Skrtel      Agger
             Lucas         Another
Another                             Enrique
                    Gerrard
       Suarez                  Another

Subs: Doni, Johnson, Kelly, Henderson, Adam, Downing, Carroll.

The best wingback in the country and you leave him on the bench?

[dnkw]

P.S. Technically, he's a human, not a football.

I know I'm not meant to be seen to side with opposing fans, but that was quite funny!

[kvarmeismydad]

To me, all Jonjo Shelvey lacks is the off the ball side to his game. Putting the work in to cover, track and harrass oposition player. When we've got the ball, his touch, one touch passing an his eye for a pass are clearly prem standard. This is probably why he's being looked upon as a Gerrard successor, in the attacking midfielder role, rather than an out and out central midfielder. What you can see though is that the desire for a tackle is usually there at a young age, so maybe Jonjo will never bring that side of his game on massively. He might be more of a Raul Meireles.

[aurelian]

Why would you have Enrique as a wingback and not Johnson?

Enrique already plays as a wingback when Downing is on the left.

[Juan Loco]

Why would you have Enrique as a wingback and not Johnson?

Johnson's far more suited to the role imo. Enrique is pretty dire once he gets in to the opposition half.

Truth++

Personally, if we were playing with wingbacks, I'd make Downing one of them.

I don't think you can play 3-5-2 though. It doesn't work. The reason teams play 3 at the back is so you can overload teams down the flanks and work positions. You don't get that in 3-5-2. The opposite happens, and you don't really get the extra control in the middle either.

If we were going to think outside of the box then it's got to be 3-4-3, Bielsa's Chile and Napoli style. Kelly, Johnson and Suarez down one flank; Agger, Downing and Bellamy down the other.

[aurelian]

Stop 'fixing' things that are fine the way they are. And why do you have some sort of grudge against Jordan?

because he's horrible, mate.  Maybe in 3 or 4 years he won't be, maybe he'll become the greatest football player in the history of the world---in 3 or 4 years.  but don't pretend like thus far he has shown absolutely fuck all for us.

I don't have a grudge against him in particular.  From everything I've seen of him he's a nice, humble bloke.  If Liverpool comes calling, you go.  I don't blame him for taking the opportunity. 

but it's absurd of our management to keep playing him, in whatever position, when he clearly isn't ready (for us). 

and it's even more ridiculous when people say he is somehow better than Shelvey when he just isn't.  maybe he will be.  But why is he NOW?  Shelvey has shown more in a couple of appearances than Henderson has all season.  but we're supposed to believe Henderson is better because... why?  he's older?  because he cost fifteen million pounds?  why exactly? 

we need CLASS in our midfield.  Bellamy knows Henderson isn't cutting it, he effing told him so.  But you want to stick your head in the sand and say he's class when he completes a pass.  We're Liverpool Football Club, not West Brom.

[stockdam]

http://eurorivals.net/top-scorers.html

Europes Top 150 goal scorers as we talk, so who would you think is possible for us to sign? I like 9, 14, 16, 18, 33, 58 & 107.

Oh btw we have none in the top 150.

Would we want the guy at no. 120?

[aurelian]

If Jordan Henderson's excuse is that he's 21, does this mean that players like Christian Eriksen (20), Goetze (19), Hazard (21), hell, even Oxlade-Chamberlain (18), does this mean that they can't be accurately judged at their ages, because they're too young?  why is Henderson allowed to be crap at 21 (22 this June) while Goetze is already world class at 19?

more importantly, why are we settling for mediocre players who we "hope" will come good, when we could make better, cheaper buys for players just as young (or even younger) who... are good now AND will be good in the future?

[Hij]

Too much worrying going on. We have an excellent young team, and with a couple of additions like another striker and say an attacking player in the Hoilett mode we're nearly there. Everyone worries too much.

[Hij]

If Jordan Henderson's excuse is that he's 21, does this mean that players like Christian Eriksen (20), Goetze (19), Hazard (21), hell, even Oxlade-Chamberlain (18), does this mean that they can't be accurately judged at their ages, because they're too young?  why is Henderson allowed to be crap at 21 (22 this June) while Goetze is already world class at 19?

more importantly, why are we settling for mediocre players who we "hope" will come good, when we could make better, cheaper buys for players just as young (or even younger) who... are good now AND will be good in the future?

"Allowed to be crap" - fuck off.

I bet you were castigating Lucas as well. Have you watched us play this season? We're not far off at all, we are defensively sound, good at keeping the ball, good at attacking- with a bit of extra guile to take the pressure off Suarez and another striker I think we're in a good position. Seriously, put the shotgun away.

[Cpt_Reina]

Jordan Henderson is the least of our worries.

Once he gets played in his proper position regularly, he'll become a very important part of our team.

Said it right from the start though, Henderson embodies the side of the game that many people just dont appreciate or even notice. He'll never be a 'star' but he will be a very, very, good player.

[firing squad]

because he's horrible, mate.  Maybe in 3 or 4 years he won't be, maybe he'll become the greatest football player in the history of the world---in 3 or 4 years.  but don't pretend like thus far he has shown absolutely fuck all for us.

I don't have a grudge against him in particular.  From everything I've seen of him he's a nice, humble bloke.  If Liverpool comes calling, you go.  I don't blame him for taking the opportunity. 

but it's absurd of our management to keep playing him, in whatever position, when he clearly isn't ready (for us). 

and it's even more ridiculous when people say he is somehow better than Shelvey when he just isn't.  maybe he will be.  But why is he NOW?  Shelvey has shown more in a couple of appearances than Henderson has all season.  but we're supposed to believe Henderson is better because... why?  he's older?  because he cost fifteen million pounds?  why exactly? 

we need CLASS in our midfield.  Bellamy knows Henderson isn't cutting it, he effing told him so.  But you want to stick your head in the sand and say he's class when he completes a pass.  We're Liverpool Football Club, not West Brom.

this is word for word my exact thoughts on the subject of Jordan Henderson.  top post.

[Studog]

If Jordan Henderson's excuse is that he's 21, does this mean that players like Christian Eriksen (20), Goetze (19), Hazard (21), hell, even Oxlade-Chamberlain (18), does this mean that they can't be accurately judged at their ages, because they're too young?  why is Henderson allowed to be crap at 21 (22 this June) while Goetze is already world class at 19?

more importantly, why are we settling for mediocre players who we "hope" will come good, when we could make better, cheaper buys for players just as young (or even younger) who... are good now AND will be good in the future?

You've mentioned goetze there, possibly the most promising young footballer in the world, hardly an everyday find is he. Hazard is in a similar position in terms of a talent but a winger, also pretty much one off. Eriksen isnt as highly regarded as the other 2 but that could be his league and lack of big games in comparison with the other 2. All of these players are products of their respective youth systems. And furthermore, any of the 3 would cost an absolute fortune to buy now so in comparison Henderson isn't in the same category as these and the fact the man shows glimmers of being a very good player who hasn't blossomed at 21 (shock) we need to be patient. With Henderson as others have mentioned, it's a management thing to keep playing him out of position. When brought the middle he looks very good.

[El_Pistolero]

this is word for word my exact thoughts on the subject of Jordan Henderson.  top post.

No it isn't a top post. Mainly because Jordan Henderson isn't 'horrible'. At all.

[farawayred]

Jordan Henderson is the least of our worries.

Once he gets played in his proper position regularly, he'll become a very important part of our team.

Said it right from the start though, Henderson embodies the side of the game that many people just dont appreciate or even notice. He'll never be a 'star' but he will be a very, very, good player.

I think that's correct. He will become a very good player, not a stand-out player. I won't mind if he develops as I expect him and still is a squad player, because that would mean that our first choice would even be better.

[Studog]

I think that's correct. He will become a very good player, not a stand-out player. I won't mind if he develops as I expect him and still is a squad player, because that would mean that our first choice would even be better.

I personally think him and Lucas will be engine room of the team, both never getting full credit

[Sarge]

Would we want the guy at no. 120?

I do not know tell me?

[Cpt_Reina]

I think that's correct. He will become a very good player, not a stand-out player. I won't mind if he develops as I expect him and still is a squad player, because that would mean that our first choice would even be better.

People seem to want CMs to be easily categorised. A destroyer like Mascherano, box to box like Gerrard, deep lying like Alonso.

Henderson isnt so easy to pigeon hole. And so people think he does nothing at all.

Carrick suffers from the same thing at Man Utd. They slag him to high heaven. But they miss him when he's not there.