Topic: Our confirmed Summer 2011 transfers (ins & outs) - Well played Damien Comolli

[DaveCharlie]

A couple of things.
I grew up with Kenny as my hero, player and then manager. I, like I hope 99% of RAWK wouldn't swap him for any other manager on the planet. But lets live in reality here. Kenny couldn't have got Poulsen to Evian or Cole to Lille. He couldn't have cut a deal with Jova's agent to shop him around for the club in return for us letting him go for nothing. He couldn't have played hardball with Newcastle or Blackpool to get our man at a good price, while RAWK went into meltdown. He had neither the time or the modern finacial experience. Even those managers like Fergie or 'arry who are presented by Sky as utterly in control, have Chief Executives to do the negotiations for them. And I don't remember any of them handling such a massive overhaul in essentially one window. Kenny will start the season with not even one 1st team player he really didn't want still in the squad. How many managers can say that?
DC took stick at the start, he needs praise for doing a near impossible job. And, also, FSG are using an American style of running a Sports business. If it wasn't DC, it would be somebody else, they are not going to give a blank cheque book to a manager, not even Kenny.
Also to the guy worried about the fact our wage bill is probably lower, and extrapolating that into not winning anything because we don't have a high enough wage. We are probably paying Adam and Henderson combined less than Joe Cole (not that we have got rid of all his wages). We are paying Downing a similar amount to Jova. We had a high wage to start with, but not a squad to reflect it. That was pretty much FSG's first statement after buying us. That the quality of the squad did not reflect the payroll. That didn't mean reduce the payroll, it meant get a squad that reflect the payroll. Which is what we did. Now we just need to get Champions League footie next year, and we can justify higher wages, which considering our base squad is so strong, we can go for 1 or 2 top level talents.

Careful mate - you'll be chased out of here in a matter of minutes if you keep spouting sensible opinions like that willy nilly.

[olllie]

Great post Molby! Great future ahead of us

[Uruguayan36]

Luis Suarez $35 milions plus.(Torres was sold for $50 milions)
Adam $20 milion.
Enrique $17.
Doni $10.
Henderson $17.
Downing $17.
Carrol $15 to $20.
Coates $20 (because he is the best young footballer in Southamerica and play for the national team of Uruguay.
ALL UP $156.000.000

[meady1981]

Who's Imo

[zjim]

sweet

[Dmode101]

no. pre injury carroll is worth $25 at least. he's still recovering as his pace used to be much quicker.

[Uruguayan36]

I tried to be realistic.
But i understand these figures may not impress to some of the fans.
Liverpool bought young players and that was very wise.
In two to three years time Liverpool will be a force in the world.

[Uruguayan36]

no. pre injury carroll is worth $25 at least. he's still recovering as his pace used to be much quicker.

Do u really believe that any team around the world would pay $25 for Carrol?

[Adeemo]

I tried to be realistic.

Doni $10.

[Megasuperb]

Henderson $17.

... and $16 of that was in hair gel

[ShibbyLFC]

Do u really believe that any team around the world would pay $25 for Carrol?

That's what Spurs offered in January iirc.


Doni is not worth 10m no matter how you look at it. Maybe 3-4m.

[TheRedBull]

Luis Suarez $35 milions plus.(Torres was sold for $50 milions)
Adam $20 milion.
Enrique $17.
Doni $10.
Henderson $17.
Downing $17.
Carrol $15 to $20.
Coates $20 (because he is the best young footballer in Southamerica and play for the national team of Uruguay.
ALL UP $156.000.000

How about using pound instead...

Suarez 23M ---> 60M
Adam 7M ---> 7M
Enrique 6M ---> 12M
Doni Free ---> N/A
Henderson 16M ---> 10M
Downing 19M ---> 15M
Carrol 35M ---> 17.5M
Coates 7M ---> 10M

[Uruguayan36]

$10 millon...is that too much?

[Adeemo]

$10 millon...is that too much?

Yes.

[Suspect Package.]

I used to like reading Uruguayan36's posts on Luis Suarez, but he's slowly devolving into a troll to be honest.

Not getting suckered into posting in this one.

[The Bill Hicks Appreciation Society]

Admiral Ackbar; the bastard child of Joleon Lescott and Rio Ferdinand?

[Uruguayan36]

Well...the estimate may be wrong in some cases...maybe Doni is not worth so much is 10 million...and maybe Suarez is worth more than $35 millon...but we all have our own opinion.

[WavertreeRed]

Who's Imo

it stands for In Massive Onions. The only thing about onions, you cant fit many in your wallet

[Indian Scouser]

Do u really believe that any team around the world would pay $25 for Carrol?

Who wouldn't pay 25 dollars for Carroll?

[GIPPO77]

Suarez is worth all the Chelsea team...lol

[doc_antonio]

Luis Suarez $35 milions plus.(Torres was sold for $50 milions)
Adam $20 milion.
Enrique $17.
Doni $10.
Henderson $17.
Downing $17.
Carrol $15 to $20.
Coates $20 (because he is the best young footballer in Southamerica and play for the national team of Uruguay.
ALL UP $156.000.000

$101, sweet i could afford that, i'll play them out my back in a gigantic cage, for my amusement.

[Uruguayan36]

How about using pound instead...You may be right...but the total value of the players is nearly the same.

Suarez 23M ---> 60M
Adam 7M ---> 7M
Enrique 6M ---> 12M
Doni Free ---> N/A
Henderson 16M ---> 10M
Downing 19M ---> 15M
Carrol 35M ---> 17.5M
Coates 7M ---> 10M

[Uruguayan36]

Who wouldn't pay 25 dollars for Carroll?

Perhaps Liverpool...

[Uruguayan36]

That's what Spurs offered in January iirc.


Doni is not worth 10m no matter how you look at it. Maybe 3-4m.

In january yes....

[RedMarko]

I can not put a figure on their value IMO as their value to me is the joy of watching them play.....for which money cannot compensate.














My god this thread is drivel.

[ynwa83]

I'm somewhat surprised this is still open.

[PJG]

If we're not looking to sell them, then they don't have a price.

[harleydanger]

I tried to be realistic.

Really?

[Phil M]

Great post indeed mate.

[spider-neil]

Comolli is excellent. In fact we should hire his brother, Gua as a scout.

[Johnny Foreigner]

Comolli is excellent. In fact we should hire his brother, Gua as a scout.

Can't understand he hasn't changed his name -- sounds totally ridiculous and unprofessional.

[RedMarko]

I tried to be realistic.

I tried to be batman once. It was about as successful as this thread.

[RivaGe]

Doni 10 mil

[Twelfth Man]

Why did we sell Aquilani and Miereles?

Because KK didn't feel he could accommodate them in the team. I doubt it is anything more sinister than that. AA I have always rated Merieles is a decent pass and move player but he shirks tackles and has quite poor distribution, quality squad player at best. This thread is about DC I suspect he didn't decide to sell/loan both rather they did not fit into KK's plan.

[Kennys from heaven]

Careful mate - you'll be chased out of here in a matter of minutes if you keep spouting sensible opinions like that willy nilly.

Burn the witch! BURRRRRN!!

[gorgepir]

I didnt think about this before, but a good point from BBC's Matt Slater.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/mattslater/2011/09/premier_league_feels_first_win.html

First, the smart clubs did their spending early to get it on last year's set of accounts - Liverpool and the two Manchester giants were the cutest about this and I was interested to read Damien Comolli's remarks about the "support" he was given by Liverpool's owners to buy first, sell second.

This means that when Uefa comes calling, these clubs won't be able to hide their expenditure but can demonstrate a "positive trend" towards the 2013/14 season, when FFP comes into full effect.

[redleyther]

  very happy with the ins this summer, even happier with the outs.. all the dead wood gone and the other one who didnt wanna be here 

[MolbyLovesGravlax]

AA was on what, 70,000 or 80,000 depending what you believe. Under FSG we aren't going to pay that to a bit player. If Kenny thought AA would be a regular starter it would be one thing, but otherwise that is simply wages that can be used to pay for multiple young talents or one or more first teamers.
And this isn't about whether AA was good enough to be a 1st team regular, that is a whole different debate, the fact is under Kenny he wasn't going to be.
Raul was different. By all accounts his wages were about half of AAs. As such that is OK for a squad member and regular off the bench type player. Howver he wanted a big pay increase, which he had been promised by the previous regime. We wouldn't pay it because it would have put us in the same situation as with AA. Chelsea would pay it. He wanted a move. We really didn't want to sell to him as he was a good squad player, and in particular we didn't want to sell to Chelsea. However he insisted, so we made him put in a transfer request to ensure we got all the money for him.
If Gerrard and Bellamy get and stay fit, we won't miss him at all (and I was a big Raul fan). If however both are injured we may wonder about it if we get a run of 0-0 results when teams just frustrate us and we need something different off the bench.

[Uruguayan36]

Doni 10 mil

Why not?
If Liverpool paid $35 million for Carrol ...Doni value has to be around $10. 

[opsteo]

AA was on what, 70,000 or 80,000 depending what you believe. Under FSG we aren't going to pay that to a bit player. If Kenny thought AA would be a regular starter it would be one thing, but otherwise that is simply wages that can be used to pay for multiple young talents or one or more first teamers.
And this isn't about whether AA was good enough to be a 1st team regular, that is a whole different debate, the fact is under Kenny he wasn't going to be.
Raul was different. By all accounts his wages were about half of AAs. As such that is OK for a squad member and regular off the bench type player. Howver he wanted a big pay increase, which he had been promised by the previous regime. We wouldn't pay it because it would have put us in the same situation as with AA. Chelsea would pay it. He wanted a move. We really didn't want to sell to him as he was a good squad player, and in particular we didn't want to sell to Chelsea. However he insisted, so we made him put in a transfer request to ensure we got all the money for him.
If Gerrard and Bellamy get and stay fit, we won't miss him at all (and I was a big Raul fan). If however both are injured we may wonder about it if we get a run of 0-0 results when teams just frustrate us and we need something different off the bench.

Good summation why Meireles has gone.  I think that Kenny would not mind having Meireles around if he did not force a move.  I think he is a useful player to break down other teams, now we have to rely on Gerrard, Maxi and Kuyt to blend their skills with Suarez.  Bellamy is also a potential game changer like Meireles .  Therefore, we lost a replace a pretty good option to help us break down defences with a more unpredictable one that can potentially score more goals so the overall gameplan is still intact. 

Plus, our team will also be fired up to play Chelsea and will work extra hard to spite Torres/Meireles.