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Re: The Anfield Wrap
« Reply #29080 on: April 17, 2024, 11:45:12 am »
I know the podcast is the main deal but I really wish they'd do more writing because a) I find podcasts generally difficult to listen to because my brain is weird like that b) they have some really, really good writers - Neil's post-match reviews especially help me shift my thoughts into place when I'm not sure what to make of a game. Even if they are probably written by an extremely drunk man, idk.

Neil's ability to turn into Lord Byron when he's 6 pints deep is truly something.
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Re: The Anfield Wrap
« Reply #29081 on: April 17, 2024, 11:49:15 am »
The Paul Morley of football, and I am very here for it.

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Re: The Anfield Wrap
« Reply #29082 on: April 17, 2024, 11:56:02 am »
The Paul Morley of football, and I am very here for it.

Did you get the article from Karl Coppack?

Spoiler
  I DIDN’T watch it.

The Manchester Marathon, the vagaries of BBC Sounds and a slowly dying phone were all I had. I thought I'd just watch it later. Then I knew I wouldn't.

Reactions differ over time. Frustration to fury, to fuck it all, to some sort of muddied perspective.

Arsenal helped with the latter to some extent, but they were never the issue. This was always about us and Manchester City. Hats off to them, though. I always thought they'd cough first in the title race, but we beat them to it.

There's no way around it. The last few weeks have been awful. Two terrible games at Old Trafford, the Atalanta travesty and now Crystal Palace. The Reds doubting themselves, being shaky where we were once solid and showing an inability to finish chances. A rising underperformance in - God, help us - xG.

The title race isn't over, but we've not so much as handed over an advantage to City - we've hurled it at their feet.

I know, I know. No runners and all that, but I'd feel a lot more confident if we were in any semblance of form. The bottom line is, at the moment, I'd rather play us than City.

The biggest worry is that this season - and it's been an incredible one - will somehow be written off as a failure, particularly when it ties in with Jürgen Klopp's departure. It's nothing like a failure. It's just that we've performed brilliantly without being especially brilliant and that's hiked up the expectation. Expectations were unlikely to match.

Maybe that's harsh. We've certainly had glimpses and the mental strength has been astonishing, but we've gone behind 21 times in 51 games. That has to change.

What's worse is that we tend to concede early, so any game plan is replaced by panic. Oh, we can patient if we're only playing the opposition on the pitch, but in recent weeks every game is shot through the prism of the title race ('what does that mean for the league table?!') and that comes with added pressure.

Still, we've nothing to lose on Thursday so maybe we'll see a performance and a result. This side can certainly do that. Take the pressure off and we might release ourselves from our own minds.

It's not over, though the pit of my stomach feels heavier after that. But this is when we show our colours. This is where we pay.

Keep going, boys and girls. Dig in. This is where they need us the most.

And, after all, you never know.

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Re: The Anfield Wrap
« Reply #29083 on: April 17, 2024, 01:46:27 pm »
"damp squid"
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Re: The Anfield Wrap
« Reply #29084 on: April 17, 2024, 04:34:17 pm »
"damp squid"

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Re: The Anfield Wrap
« Reply #29085 on: April 17, 2024, 06:24:10 pm »
"damp squid"

i'm so glad Gutmann pulled him up on it, doing my head in  ;D
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Re: The Anfield Wrap
« Reply #29086 on: April 17, 2024, 06:26:51 pm »
Aren't all squid, by their very nature, damp?

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« Reply #29087 on: April 17, 2024, 06:59:31 pm »
Aren't all squid, by their very nature, damp?

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Re: The Anfield Wrap
« Reply #29088 on: April 18, 2024, 04:35:17 pm »
"damp squid"
Hi Internet :wanker   :P

Bafta nomination worthy episode of the Gutter this week.  Tennis Hag was a highlight too  ;D

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Re: The Anfield Wrap
« Reply #29089 on: April 18, 2024, 06:34:42 pm »
Hi Internet :wanker   :P

Bafta nomination worthy episode of the Gutter this week.  Tennis Hag was a highlight too  ;D

Proper LOL moment that Tennis Hag gag was!
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Re: The Anfield Wrap
« Reply #29090 on: April 19, 2024, 07:26:42 am »
Proper LOL moment that Tennis Hag gag was!

That was a classic case of something that shouldn't be funny, but ends up being hilarious - Gutmann is a comic genius sometimes.

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Re: The Anfield Wrap
« Reply #29091 on: April 19, 2024, 07:35:22 am »
Given that the three that were on it are some of my favourites on TAW usually, I was really surprised at what I was hearing on the Pink. Neil was talking about "love" and "Salah being brilliant and scoring a brilliant pen". I just couldn't recognise a lot of these things in what I saw. I mean I understand people not wanting to slaughter a gang of players and manager that we really have loved, but I felt like I'd watched an entirely different game.

As brilliant as Neil is in a lot of ways, I feel that one minor issue TAW has sometimes is his personality overpowering the conversation. So if Neil decides one of the most whimperish exits from Europe I've ever seen is fine and full of positives, then the others fall a bit into line with that.

I think Neil, Ben and Adam are all fantastic, but just thought that was a strange listen after one of the sadder games I can remember - a truly great era petering out.

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Re: The Anfield Wrap
« Reply #29092 on: April 19, 2024, 02:23:03 pm »
"...roight?"
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Re: The Anfield Wrap
« Reply #29093 on: April 19, 2024, 03:53:24 pm »
"...roight?"

Down a shot every time the Arsenal guy says right.

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Re: The Anfield Wrap
« Reply #29094 on: April 19, 2024, 08:47:11 pm »
"...roight?"

He's generally very good in his opinions to be fair, but that is an annoying trait.

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Re: The Anfield Wrap
« Reply #29095 on: April 19, 2024, 11:01:16 pm »
Given that the three that were on it are some of my favourites on TAW usually, I was really surprised at what I was hearing on the Pink. Neil was talking about "love" and "Salah being brilliant and scoring a brilliant pen". I just couldn't recognise a lot of these things in what I saw. I mean I understand people not wanting to slaughter a gang of players and manager that we really have loved, but I felt like I'd watched an entirely different game.

As brilliant as Neil is in a lot of ways, I feel that one minor issue TAW has sometimes is his personality overpowering the conversation. So if Neil decides one of the most whimperish exits from Europe I've ever seen is fine and full of positives, then the others fall a bit into line with that.

I think Neil, Ben and Adam are all fantastic, but just thought that was a strange listen after one of the sadder games I can remember - a truly great era petering out.
I wouldn’t assume to talk for Neil and he doesn’t need folk on RAWK to be his gatekeeper, but I sense that he’s pursuing a line that is essentially one of anti-hysterical. Now and always, Neil treads a path that is opposed to dramatic opinions and hot takes. He’s not into throwing players under a bus; never has been. Indeed, he often does the opposite. He finds positives in the bad times. He sees the light when all around him feel dull. This is probably a professional decision - heading up a fan media operation brings certain responsibilities and he has the opportunity to set a tone that may be antithetical to virtually all around him. Accentuating the good amongst the sadness.

I see a virtue in this. My perspective is that Neil is railing against the tidal wave of over emotional lads who take to their mobile phones and give appallingly negative energy to any setback. Neil’s not having it. He’s not accepting the “Klopp’s been great … but…” crap that we’re seeing emerging. He’s not going along with some hysterical notion that Salah is ‘done’. He’s standing up to the large proportion of the fanbase who seem to operate with the sense of catastrophe about to happen.

I believe this is his own editorial choice. He suspects most (well some) fans can’t at all handle slumps, defeats, cup exits etc so he’s presenting himself as a protector of sanity by utterly disengaging with such unhinged lunacy.

That’s not to suggest last night was any way good; it’s more a case that it’s not representative of some disastrous decline. There’s a league to be won and all anyone can do is predict failure. Neil’s not having it and fair play to him.

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Re: The Anfield Wrap
« Reply #29096 on: April 20, 2024, 10:30:15 am »
But on the same note, there was an element of "you know what, maybe the manager does need a break for himself"

I don't know what others wanted or need from that show on Thursday evening but the tone and guests hit all the spots for me.

I didn't want someone calling the players all kinds.

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« Reply #29097 on: April 20, 2024, 10:51:20 am »
I wouldn’t assume to talk for Neil and he doesn’t need folk on RAWK to be his gatekeeper, but I sense that he’s pursuing a line that is essentially one of anti-hysterical. Now and always, Neil treads a path that is opposed to dramatic opinions and hot takes. He’s not into throwing players under a bus; never has been. Indeed, he often does the opposite. He finds positives in the bad times. He sees the light when all around him feel dull. This is probably a professional decision - heading up a fan media operation brings certain responsibilities and he has the opportunity to set a tone that may be antithetical to virtually all around him. Accentuating the good amongst the sadness.

I see a virtue in this. My perspective is that Neil is railing against the tidal wave of over emotional lads who take to their mobile phones and give appallingly negative energy to any setback. Neil’s not having it. He’s not accepting the “Klopp’s been great … but…” crap that we’re seeing emerging. He’s not going along with some hysterical notion that Salah is ‘done’. He’s standing up to the large proportion of the fanbase who seem to operate with the sense of catastrophe about to happen.

I believe this is his own editorial choice. He suspects most (well some) fans can’t at all handle slumps, defeats, cup exits etc so he’s presenting himself as a protector of sanity by utterly disengaging with such unhinged lunacy.

That’s not to suggest last night was any way good; it’s more a case that it’s not representative of some disastrous decline. There’s a league to be won and all anyone can do is predict failure. Neil’s not having it and fair play to him.

There's been enough episodes of The Pink with Atko exclaiming that our players are a "gang of pricks" ;D

Time and a place though, and this lot are in a rut and 2 points off the top after being massacred by injury.
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Re: The Anfield Wrap
« Reply #29098 on: April 20, 2024, 11:39:43 am »
I always remember one from a few years ago, can't remember the game, where he just read the full squad out and said "you should be ashamed of yourself" after every player.
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« Reply #29099 on: April 20, 2024, 01:50:21 pm »
I always remember one from a few years ago, can't remember the game, where he just read the full squad out and said "you should be ashamed of yourself" after every player.
A collective dressing down is different.

I’ve never heard him go after a player or manager (inc Rogers) in a personal vitriolic way. I also suggest that 6 games from potentially winning the league isn’t the time for “should be ashamed of yourself” type comments even if form looks iffy.

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« Reply #29100 on: April 20, 2024, 09:28:18 pm »
I wouldn’t assume to talk for Neil and he doesn’t need folk on RAWK to be his gatekeeper, but I sense that he’s pursuing a line that is essentially one of anti-hysterical. Now and always, Neil treads a path that is opposed to dramatic opinions and hot takes. He’s not into throwing players under a bus; never has been. Indeed, he often does the opposite. He finds positives in the bad times. He sees the light when all around him feel dull. This is probably a professional decision - heading up a fan media operation brings certain responsibilities and he has the opportunity to set a tone that may be antithetical to virtually all around him. Accentuating the good amongst the sadness.

I see a virtue in this. My perspective is that Neil is railing against the tidal wave of over emotional lads who take to their mobile phones and give appallingly negative energy to any setback. Neil’s not having it. He’s not accepting the “Klopp’s been great … but…” crap that we’re seeing emerging. He’s not going along with some hysterical notion that Salah is ‘done’. He’s standing up to the large proportion of the fanbase who seem to operate with the sense of catastrophe about to happen.

I believe this is his own editorial choice. He suspects most (well some) fans can’t at all handle slumps, defeats, cup exits etc so he’s presenting himself as a protector of sanity by utterly disengaging with such unhinged lunacy.

That’s not to suggest last night was any way good; it’s more a case that it’s not representative of some disastrous decline. There’s a league to be won and all anyone can do is predict failure. Neil’s not having it and fair play to him.

Sorry, I'm just not having this. Neil has often slaughtered the players, usually when it's justified to be fair. But sometimes when it isn't. For example, I vividly remember a Pink where we'd drawn against Chelsea in 2017, and Neil absolutely lambasted the result and performance. As though it was completely unacceptable to not beat the reigning champions at home.

And anyway, you're missing my point - I didn't need him to slaughter the players or the manager on Thursday either. I just thought the "everyone should relax" message and telling us how well so many played was a bit weird and didn't at all tally with what I saw. Thursday to me wasn't a time I was angry at the players or manager - I actually felt sorry for them and for everyone. I really just thought it was a very sad, deflating end to the era of Klopp’s Liverpool in Europe. But instead the mood was almost having a laugh and saying it's all fine.

There doesn't have to be anger, there doesn't have to be catastrophising, but I just expect the chat to reflect the game. A very sad end of a certain chapter and another game with a concerning lack of energy.

I'd be in violent agreement with Neil roughly 90% of the time, but this was a case where I genuinely wondered if we'd seen the same game. I still think it was pretty weird. Like he was determined to say "we're all having a lovely time". I mean, he probably was and good for him, but I don't think most fans enjoyed much about Thursday.
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Re: The Anfield Wrap
« Reply #29101 on: April 21, 2024, 08:16:27 pm »
Sorry, I'm just not having this. Neil has often slaughtered the players, usually when it's justified to be fair. But sometimes when it isn't. For example, I vividly remember a Pink where we'd drawn against Chelsea in 2017, and Neil absolutely lambasted the result and performance. As though it was completely unacceptable to not beat the reigning champions at home.

And anyway, you're missing my point - I didn't need him to slaughter the players or the manager on Thursday either. I just thought the "everyone should relax" message and telling us how well so many played was a bit weird and didn't at all tally with what I saw. Thursday to me wasn't a time I was angry at the players or manager - I actually felt sorry for them and for everyone. I really just thought it was a very sad, deflating end to the era of Klopp’s Liverpool in Europe. But instead the mood was almost having a laugh and saying it's all fine.

There doesn't have to be anger, there doesn't have to be catastrophising, but I just expect the chat to reflect the game. A very sad end of a certain chapter and another game with a concerning lack of energy.

I'd be in violent agreement with Neil roughly 90% of the time, but this was a case where I genuinely wondered if we'd seen the same game. I still think it was pretty weird. Like he was determined to say "we're all having a lovely time". I mean, he probably was and good for him, but I don't think most fans enjoyed much about Thursday.
Maybe I was vague in my point, but I’m not suggesting Neil doesn’t criticise players or the collective. Of course he does. What I’m suggesting is that now isn’t the time for existential misery and hysterics. Like Klopp attempted after Thursday, we still have a huge opportunity to make history and win a league. What’s the value in engaging in the noisy discourse that is contaminating the LFC-space right now? Will that help us win a league?

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Re: The Anfield Wrap
« Reply #29102 on: April 21, 2024, 10:17:25 pm »
Yeah, I have been in a bad mood over this last week as we have started to falter, but the reality is that we are in the back-end of April and a couple of results going in our favour away from winning the league. If we can win our remaining matches, which we are perfectly capable of doing, then there is every chance that we could be about to experience one of the greatest moments in our club’s history. So I am trying my best not to let the misery take over just yet.

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« Reply #29103 on: April 22, 2024, 05:59:04 am »
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« Reply #29104 on: April 22, 2024, 04:14:32 pm »
So, looks like Gutmann was right after all and it will be Virgil as player manager  ;D
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« Reply #29105 on: April 22, 2024, 09:40:59 pm »
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« Reply #29106 on: April 22, 2024, 11:15:41 pm »
The klopp in Europe episode was really good.

Can we have the Dortmund pink again please ?

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« Reply #29107 on: April 24, 2024, 11:20:02 am »
Shout out to Mo and the coach home crew he interviewed. Great podcast that. Like a Netflix mini-series....

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« Reply #29108 on: April 25, 2024, 02:12:03 pm »
Enjoyed today’s show. Good crew of people with reasonable opinions. Thought I’d want to avoid any football talk today but listening to that has helped me process things a bit I think.

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« Reply #29109 on: April 26, 2024, 01:27:04 pm »
Was looking forward to having a listen but then my internet went off all day yesterday, although probably after that game it was a blessing in disguise. Back to the comforting arms of snooker.

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« Reply #29110 on: April 26, 2024, 11:58:11 pm »
Good 'three cockney wankers' Friday Show.
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« Reply #29111 on: April 27, 2024, 08:20:04 pm »
Good 'three cockney wankers' Friday Show.

Yeah they're three of the best opposition fans. But JJ surely isn't a cockney? Sounds like brummiest Arsenal fan I've ever heard.

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« Reply #29112 on: April 27, 2024, 09:16:12 pm »
Was looking forward to having a listen but then my internet went off all day yesterday, although probably after that game it was a blessing in disguise. Back to the comforting arms of snooker.

Yeah if ever there was week that needed an AFQ this was it. Sadly, nowhere near as regular as it used to be and it's all seeming a bit samey for me of late.

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« Reply #29113 on: April 30, 2024, 07:17:01 am »
Free show had a discussion about the absence of Matip. I think it’s been a very overlooked point, Joel has never let us down and the lack of a consistent partner for VVD has surely been an issue.
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« Reply #29114 on: April 30, 2024, 09:11:37 am »
Free show had a discussion about the absence of Matip. I think it’s been a very overlooked point, Joel has never let us down and the lack of a consistent partner for VVD has surely been an issue.

I mean he's also had his injury issues. This isn't digging him out, but even without the freak injury..not sure we could have had him available whenever we wanted

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« Reply #29115 on: April 30, 2024, 01:01:05 pm »
I mean he's also had his injury issues. This isn't digging him out, but even without the freak injury..not sure we could have had him available whenever we wanted
This is true. I do think however that over the last five years, Joel and VVD has been our most reliable partnership.
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« Reply #29116 on: April 30, 2024, 02:08:26 pm »
Chris Barbour seems like one of the soundest lads around.

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Re: The Anfield Wrap
« Reply #29117 on: May 1, 2024, 09:29:27 am »
I'm here for playing Josh Sexton at a different speed.

Almost spat my coffee listening to him speak to the Dutch Journalist about that right back

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Re: The Anfield Wrap
« Reply #29118 on: May 1, 2024, 01:26:23 pm »
Chris Barbour seems like one of the soundest lads around.
He really is, I've met him a few times over a footy charity he's involved in (ManWell) and he's a lovely lad.

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Re: The Anfield Wrap
« Reply #29119 on: May 2, 2024, 10:38:35 am »
Cup of Tea meets the Gutter was great stuff. Mr G - a life well lived. Andy hosting was great as they're clearly friends.