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Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1800 on: October 5, 2012, 03:10:16 pm »
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Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1801 on: October 5, 2012, 04:32:51 pm »
Do you mean the part where they examine the paraphyletic organism in the petri dish just before the lifeboat returned?

There can be no such thing as paraphyletic organism because the term paraphyletic refers to a taxonimic group (that contains some but not all of the descendants of common ancestors, as opposed to a clade or monophyletic group which contains all of the descendants of common ancestors).

e.g. Mammals.

e.g Dinosaurs - birds and reptiles are descendants of them but not included in the taxonomic group Dinosauria.


You're not going to win any arguments about this film trying to use science Andy :D

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Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1802 on: October 5, 2012, 04:37:53 pm »
There can be no such thing as paraphyletic organism because the term paraphyletic refers to a taxonimic group (that contains some but not all of the descendants of common ancestors, as opposed to a clade or monophyletic group which contains all of the descendants of common ancestors).

e.g. Mammals.

e.g Dinosaurs - birds and reptiles are descendants of them but not included in the taxonomic group Dinosauria.


You're not going to win any arguments about this film trying to use science Andy :D


Oh dear. Schoolboy Error. Read the last three posts which were all to come out with the fishy dishy joke.

I thought it was a little wormy thing. Wormy thing beats fishy thing. See Team 17 for details.

Do you mean the part where they examine the paraphyletic organism in the petri dish just before the lifeboat returned?

Sorry. My mistake I thought they examined a little fishy on a little dishy before the boat came in.



To clarify. There was no fish, no lifeboat and indeed no petri dish..
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Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1803 on: October 5, 2012, 04:44:02 pm »
There can be no such thing as paraphyletic organism because the term paraphyletic refers to a taxonimic group (that contains some but not all of the descendants of common ancestors, as opposed to a clade or monophyletic group which contains all of the descendants of common ancestors).

e.g. Mammals.

e.g Dinosaurs - birds and reptiles are descendants of them but not included in the taxonomic group Dinosauria.


You're not going to win any arguments about this film trying to use science Andy :D

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Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1804 on: October 5, 2012, 04:45:10 pm »
No Andy I read all that. There's no such phrase as paraphyletic organism. It's gibberish. That's all.

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Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1805 on: October 5, 2012, 04:45:56 pm »
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Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1806 on: October 5, 2012, 04:52:16 pm »
No Andy I read all that. There's no such phrase as paraphyletic organism. It's gibberish. That's all.

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Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1807 on: October 5, 2012, 07:55:04 pm »
This film's shite - Lets slash the seats

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Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1808 on: October 7, 2012, 12:44:36 am »
Just finished watching it. Was ok, but wouldn't watch it again.
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Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1809 on: October 7, 2012, 12:58:31 am »
I watched this in the cinema and I didn't think a lot of it.  I watched it again recently and I enjoyed it a fair bit more.  I think it's a perfectly entertaining film as long as you don't dig too deep, once you do that it unravels pretty quickly.  It's not in the same league as Alien, or Bladerunner for that matter, but then Ridley Scott will probably never achieve that level of greatness again.

In my opinion it's enjoyable nonsense, I'll buy the Bluray as it is a stunning looking film.

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Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1810 on: October 8, 2012, 09:45:56 pm »
Interesting interview with the original writer. Unsurprisingly most of his ideas sound better than what we ended up with

http://www.empireonline.com/interviews/interview.asp?IID=1563

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Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1811 on: October 8, 2012, 10:03:09 pm »
DVD arrived today. Watched it again. This film just gets better and better. Still struggling to understand peoples 'confusion'.

Ah well. Imagination and thinking isn't for everyone.
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Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1812 on: October 9, 2012, 01:12:01 am »
Just watched it, not bad

Just have one question really. What was it about?

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Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1813 on: October 9, 2012, 01:13:38 am »
Just watched it, not bad

Just have one question really. What was it about?



Whatever you want :)
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Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1814 on: October 9, 2012, 01:17:05 am »


Ah well. Imagination and thinking isn't for everyone.
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Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1815 on: October 9, 2012, 01:18:29 am »
Whatever you want :)

really good film, but its the first film in the entire library of my watched films I truly believe everyone is following and Ive missed like 10 mins where it all got explained!

Watched cabin in the Woods before that.

Pretty Weird nights film viewing. But enjoyable none the less. Good solid efforts all round :)
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Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1816 on: October 9, 2012, 01:21:13 am »
really good film, but its the first film in the entire library of my watched films I truly believe everyone is following and Ive missed like 10 mins where it all got explained!

Watched cabin in the Woods before that.

Pretty Weird nights film viewing. But enjoyable none the less. Good solid efforts all round :)

SO many subtle nods to Alien/Aliens. Great when you notice :)
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Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1817 on: October 9, 2012, 01:25:15 am »
SO many subtle nods to Alien/Aliens. Great when you notice :)

Yeah I noticed this. Quite a few actually, some subtle some not so

P.S I would like that big baldy bastard as a CB for us. Cant imagine hed lose many headers
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Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1818 on: October 9, 2012, 01:43:44 am »
Yeah I noticed this. Quite a few actually, some subtle some not so

P.S I would like that big baldy bastard as a CB for us. Cant imagine hed lose many headers


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I noticed early on the shape of the hole she cut - same shape as original Alien corridoors and the starting shot on an agle of @whatever@ planet had shapes of the planetoid poster of Alien. And of course the obvious alien music when the old duffer gets up the first time.

This viewing I remembered all the whining about it and watched it with them in mind and they are just mindles guff.
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Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1819 on: October 9, 2012, 03:08:45 am »
If the film was made by college students. or, was an independent feature, starring unknowns. Or, the first attempt at SciFi by a director. Or, had a small budget and was without the fanfare and viral media, marketing bombardment. Maybe, it could be given a bit of leeway.

It's shite - very little in the way of redeeming features. Looks great and had some interesting imagery and themes.

Wooden acting and one dimensional characterizations. I can't think of anyone who came out of this with their reputations enhanced. Poor fuckers, let down by the horrible writing and absent direction.

God awful script. Narrative dissonance - the writer just made shit up as he went along. I like being made to work a little bit; is good when the film doesn't spoon feed you. But this shit is convoluted for the sake of itself - just like Lost. I shouldn't have to go and find out extra stuff that wasn't in the film at all - it should be a self contained mystery.

Ridley Scott is supposed to be one of the best directors in the business - certainly, he has made two of the greatest SciFi films of all time. This is piss-poor. He mailed it in. Fucking joke.

In all, if there was just one or two elements gone awry, you could take it into account and soften your overall judgement. Considering the money, heavy weight direction and production team, star studded cast and formidable marketing (made it out to be the greatest film of it's genre): It sucked. Like a lot of consumerist shite these days, weak product with some celebrity endorsement and massive amounts of promotional hype - little of substance and nothing to savor long-term.

B-Movie without the kitsch charm that that title conveys.

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Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1820 on: October 9, 2012, 04:06:58 am »
I can't think of anyone who came out of this with their reputations enhanced.
I think Fassbender came out with his reputation enhanced as I found him completely mesmerizing.

I agree with most of the other stuff you were saying, especially this bit:

It's shite - very little in the way of redeeming features. Looks great and had some interesting imagery and themes.

But I would argue that Scott hasn't really been a top director in a long, long time.  Sure American Gangster and Gladiator were kinda OK, but Scott hasn't directed a great movie in over 30 years so I'm not exactly sure why people were expecting something much better than his most recent duds.  Because of that, and because I am not a huge fan of the Alien mythology, I quickly realized the movie was going to be no more than muddled eye candy and went along for the ride.
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Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1821 on: October 9, 2012, 05:41:02 am »
I think Fassbender came out with his reputation enhanced as I found him completely mesmerizing.

I agree with most of the other stuff you were saying, especially this bit:

But I would argue that Scott hasn't really been a top director in a long, long time.  Sure American Gangster and Gladiator were kinda OK, but Scott hasn't directed a great movie in over 30 years so I'm not exactly sure why people were expecting something much better than his most recent duds.  Because of that, and because I am not a huge fan of the Alien mythology, I quickly realized the movie was going to be no more than muddled eye candy and went along for the ride.

That's quite fair re Fassbender - he is a very good actor and didn't actually do badly at all. I was maybe a bit harsh on the actors - they were locked into the fucking mess and can't be blamed for anything.

And I did have a similar reaction while watching the film - I tried to disengage and let it wash over me. Saying that, there were some proper risible pieces of dialogue and some horrible bits of dissonance where the story just didn't hold together - it was all I could do to not laugh out loud or cringe into my seat.

Not good enough for the money invested and the hype. They had so much potential and squandered almost all of it.

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Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1822 on: October 9, 2012, 08:17:00 am »
That's quite fair re Fassbender - he is a very good actor and didn't actually do badly at all. I was maybe a bit harsh on the actors - they were locked into the fucking mess and can't be blamed for anything.

And I did have a similar reaction while watching the film - I tried to disengage and let it wash over me. Saying that, there were some proper risible pieces of dialogue and some horrible bits of dissonance where the story just didn't hold together - it was all I could do to not laugh out loud or cringe into my seat.

Not good enough for the money invested and the hype. They had so much potential and squandered almost all of it.

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Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1823 on: October 9, 2012, 08:28:26 am »
The Andy@A Film rule.

If Andy likes the film, then it probably is complete shite. If he raves about it, against all common sense - Then it definitely is an unholy clusterfuck of a turkey - down there with the worst films ever made. (Worse than that Japanese film you love  ;)

If Andy@A doesn't like the film, then it probably is a work of unparalleled genius.

Glad to see this holding true, once again  :wave


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Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1824 on: October 9, 2012, 11:33:51 am »
The Andy@A Film rule.

If Andy likes the film, then it probably is complete shite. If he raves about it, against all common sense - Then it definitely is an unholy clusterfuck of a turkey - down there with the worst films ever made. (Worse than that Japanese film you love  ;)

If Andy@A doesn't like the film, then it probably is a work of unparalleled genius.

Glad to see this holding true, once again  :wave


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Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1825 on: October 9, 2012, 01:08:07 pm »
Saw it again on Blu-ray last night and enjoyed it.

It actually flowed better on second viewing and feels like a good fun sci-fi romp. There are some great scenes as well as some moments that require some suspension of disbeilef. I think the human interest is slightly lacking and this draws attention to some of the films other shortcomings.

Not a classic for me but some of the criticism seems to be over the top and frenzied.

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Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1826 on: October 9, 2012, 03:58:36 pm »
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Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1827 on: October 9, 2012, 04:53:33 pm »
It actually flowed better on second viewing and feels like a good fun sci-fi romp.
That's the thing, see, it didn't for me - if it was jam-packed with mad scenes like the C-section and maybe the nasty worm encounter (I think Fifield's helmet melting and caving in onto his screaming face is a pretty strong image, and it definitely got me a bit excited for the film's visual impact when I saw that bit in the trailers before release), it could've been a rip-roaringly daft classic, sorta like a methed-up Aliens or Predator. But it intentionally didn't go down that route, it wants to be taken quite seriously.
You need to get the balance right; if it's quite a silly film you're making, go for it! Throw in some knowing lines, have a laugh with the format. If it's a weighty, forbidding, profound type of film, you need to cut down a bit on the dumb nonsense or it'll detract from the overall intended effect. Think of any film which gradually builds a very ominous, brooding atmosphere, then something totally stupid and cartoonish happens - it takes you completely out of it. Sometimes that's deliberate, sometimes it works to provide a tiny bit of light relief. Other times, it's completely misplaced and spoils a scene.

Awesome films like Mulholland Drive, Open Your Eyes, the original Norwegian Insomnia, etc. don't explain things to the viewer like they're idiots, they require far more thought and imagination to piece together than a film like Prometheus does, and they create a potent underlying mood that carries the narrative through some very strange sequences indeed. That's not to say Prometheus is even trying to do the kind of things those films were - that'd be an extremely unfair and ridiculous criticism of it - but that comparison certainly pisses all over Andy's obvious-trolling assertion that Prometheus is far too complex, sophisticated and demanding of the viewer's abstractive faculties for crayon-crunching cretins like me and many others here to appreciate.

A film such as this, with so many possibilities given the wellspring of creepy-sexy-cool concepts that is Alien, not to mention the money and talent made available, shouldn't really be defended to the hilt for being 'okay'. It is a kinda enjoyable B-movie... why not create a fantastically bonkers B-movie, then? Toss in all kinds of fascinating leftfield shit, make it as weird and unique as possble. As it stands, it really isn't heaving with original ideas beyond the comprehension of most cinemagoers. There are a couple of good scenes yeah, but so much in it seems rushed, halfarsed. We even have a poster on this thread who actually worked on the film, and he was very disappointed with the end product too. That's the bugbear for many - it's very much a wasted opportunity.
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Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1828 on: October 9, 2012, 05:18:58 pm »
....it wants to be taken quite seriously.

You need to get the balance right; if it's quite a silly film you're making, go for it! Throw in some knowing lines, have a laugh with the format. If it's a weighty, forbidding, profound type of film, you need to cut down a bit on the dumb nonsense or it'll detract from the overall intended effect.

In a nutshell. If this had been sold as a parody of self-indulgent tosh like Battleship Earth or a comedic attack on 'intelligent design' and Von Danekin-style nonsense it could have been funny. Trouble was Scott and his crew believe in the bullshit - Matt Stone and Trey Parker would have made a better movie because they would have ripped the piss out of the pretentious bollocks that underlies the 'plot'.
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Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1829 on: October 9, 2012, 05:28:34 pm »
In a nutshell. If this had been sold as a parody of self-indulgent tosh like Battleship Earth or a comedic attack on 'intelligent design' and Von Danekin-style nonsense it could have been funny. Trouble was Scott and his crew believe in the bullshit - Matt Stone and Trey Parker would have made a better movie because they would have ripped the piss out of the pretentious bollocks that underlies the 'plot'.

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Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1830 on: October 9, 2012, 05:28:58 pm »
Andy, spoilers aside, the extra footage/alternate beginning & start, any decent?

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Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1831 on: October 9, 2012, 05:31:40 pm »
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Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1832 on: October 9, 2012, 06:26:18 pm »
Andy, spoilers aside, the extra footage/alternate beginning & start, any decent?

you can view some of it here mate: http://blastr.com/2012/09/gorge-yourself-silly-on-1.php

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Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1833 on: October 9, 2012, 06:36:18 pm »
you can view some of it here mate: http://blastr.com/2012/09/gorge-yourself-silly-on-1.php

Don't wanna ruin it for myself with the computer monitor, if that makes any sense?

Regardless, that link is showing a new BR box set, which is basically the Alien Quadrulogy box set I already own + Prometheus? Pisstake.

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Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1834 on: October 9, 2012, 06:53:17 pm »
Been watching it again on BluRay after going to see it 3 times at the cinema, it looks amazing, and whilst it has flaws I really like it.

The original version with face huggers sounds brilliant, such a shame they didn't go through with it.
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Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1835 on: October 9, 2012, 06:56:42 pm »
Lost in Translation is a cracking movie. Or maybe I am just confused?

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Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1836 on: October 9, 2012, 07:04:58 pm »
Was ok i spose. Not sure id watch it again. Loved the big bald alien though.
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Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1837 on: October 9, 2012, 07:21:19 pm »
Andy, spoilers aside, the extra footage/alternate beginning & start, any decent?

They didn't seem to be on the DVD version - maybe Blue Ray only :(

The scenes they showed were minimally different. I haven't got a Blue Ray player.
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Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1838 on: October 10, 2012, 03:02:18 am »
47 pages for this!!!!
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Re: Prometheus: Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel
« Reply #1839 on: October 10, 2012, 09:03:15 am »
47 pages for this!!!!

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