Author Topic: Torres - The Reasons for Leaving - by Sid Lowe (Read 338684 times)

steveeastend · « **Reply #1160 on:** February 6, 2011, 10:55:27 pm »

Quote from: Rednigeri@n on February 6, 2011, 10:48:49 pm

Has anybody really thought about how Torres would react if we ended up getting fourth this season at the expense of Chelsea?

I think his move wasn´t for football reasons only. For sure money played a role as well.. He earns enough there to get over it, I guess..

AK47 · « **Reply #1161 on:** February 6, 2011, 10:57:42 pm »

Quote from: PIPA23 on February 6, 2011, 10:51:49 pm

He will be back in Spain in year - two.

Yep probably with Real Madrid!!

smitalfc · « **Reply #1162 on:** February 6, 2011, 10:57:58 pm »

Agree completely, bleedsred.

I always thought our rejuvenation would have Gerrard and Torres at its forefront. There was something so magical and engaging about Nando that I was utterly convinced he'd return us to greatness. Looking at him today, all that joy and exuberance has gone. As others have said, he looked lost and miserable, and I took absolutely no pleasure from it. That doesn't mean I'm not delighted at our result, and our performance. The two positions aren't incompatible, to me anyway.

Dr Manhattan · « **Reply #1163 on:** February 6, 2011, 11:00:13 pm »

He's only played one game for them.

-RedTilDead- · « **Reply #1164 on:** February 6, 2011, 11:00:47 pm »

Quote from: AK47 on February 6, 2011, 10:57:42 pm

Yep probably with Real Madrid!!

I think he'd be more likely to transfer to my local pub team than Real Madrid but I'm sure he will be off somewhere else if Chelsea go down the pan as everyone is predicting.

bleedsred1978 · « **Reply #1165 on:** February 6, 2011, 11:10:18 pm »

Quote from: smitalfc on February 6, 2011, 10:57:58 pm

Agree completely, bleedsred.

I always thought our rejuvenation would have Gerrard and Torres at its forefront. There was something so magical and engaging about Nando that I was utterly convinced he'd return us to greatness. Looking at him today, all that joy and exuberance has gone. As others have said, he looked lost and miserable, and I took absolutely no pleasure from it. That doesn't mean I'm not delighted at our result, and our performance. The two positions aren't incompatible, to me anyway.

Exactly. They are not one and the same emotion for me either.

Torres for me will just go down as a top player who played for us and gave us great memories but one who made a very stupid decision at a critical time in our history.

Our fifth Beatle maybe.

simesy · « **Reply #1166 on:** February 6, 2011, 11:10:24 pm »

We proved today as a team we dont need him and without carrol and suarez playing.Lock the thread,forget him and let his time here be stricken from the record books.

reddd10 · « **Reply #1167 on:** February 6, 2011, 11:13:22 pm »

I think that he will know, maybe now, maybe in a few weeks, maybe in a few years, but he's just thrown away hero status. You don't get that everywhere, and I think when he come off today, its not normal for someone who has just "disrespected" their former club then claps the fans he has just done it to.

His head will be a mess, and for a young man, rushed ambition is no ambition, and will bring no rewards.

PIPA23 · « **Reply #1168 on:** February 6, 2011, 11:15:20 pm »

Quote from: Dr Manhattan on February 6, 2011, 11:00:13 pm

He's only played one game for them.

this depends more on how Chelsea will end up in Premier league.. also if he manage to play in thier system...he is suited to play alone and definetly needs passes from creative midfield not from Anelka as AM.. but whatever, he is chelsea player..

biratl · « **Reply #1169 on:** February 6, 2011, 11:17:37 pm »

Quote from: Dr Manhattan on February 6, 2011, 11:00:13 pm

He's only played one game for them.

True. I would be wary before writing him off. He's in a new team and getting used to a new system. In time, he'll start scoring.

PIPA23 · « **Reply #1170 on:** February 6, 2011, 11:18:40 pm »

Quote from: reddd10 on February 6, 2011, 11:13:22 pm

I think that he will know, maybe now, maybe in a few weeks, maybe in a few years, but he's just thrown away hero status. You don't get that everywhere, and I think when he come off today, its not normal for someone who has just "disrespected" their former club then claps the fans he has just done it to.

His head will be a mess, and for a young man, rushed ambition is no ambition, and will bring no rewards.

after what he did i think he dont care about hero status abroad from spain, he playes abroad becouse he could not play for diferent club at home than Atletico and obviously he wanted trophys... the same way as Alonso he saw himself coming short of trophys as spanish world cup winner and he want´s more... but right now i don´t see chelsea in the position to dominate in next few years, their squad is aging, they need to sell to cover the looses..and he might find himself soon in position he didn´t wanted..

smitalfc · « **Reply #1171 on:** February 6, 2011, 11:26:40 pm »

Quote from: bleedsred1978 on February 6, 2011, 11:10:18 pm

Exactly. They are not one and the same emotion for me either.

Torres for me will just go down as a top player who played for us and gave us great memories but one who made a very stupid decision at a critical time in our history.

Our fifth Beatle maybe.

A completely stupid decision, I agree. Would it be pushing it too far, though, to say that it was a stupid decision made against the backdrop of one of the most stupid and idiotic periods in our club's history. There are times in the past couple of years when I'd have walked away from our club if I could, but that's the thing about being a fan - we can't walk away, can we? And in the end we get our rewards, but I can understand the frustration that led him to this act of folly.

Rohit · « **Reply #1172 on:** February 6, 2011, 11:27:11 pm »

Found this on a chelsea forum

We were on a worse run before Nando came and he still joined, I don't think he's that fickle. My theory regarding the poor form that stretches a few months back was, I thought there'd be some rebuilding of the squad this summer, but I didn't have to wait that long with the acquisition of Torres and Luiz to confirm my suspicions, I think some players know they are on their way out and have known for a while, I could be way off the mark but that's my take on the situation.

They really have no idea do they? If they dont hit top 4 this season he will be itching to leave.

ataturk2005 · « **Reply #1173 on:** February 6, 2011, 11:27:40 pm »

Quote from: simesy on February 6, 2011, 11:10:24 pm

We proved today as a team we dont need him and without carrol and suarez playing.Lock the thread,forget him and let his time here be stricken from the record books.

I don't think we need to delete him from the records, the lad did a half decent job for us at worse, it's just a shame he left in those circumstances......

By all means I think we will be stronger without him, trying to make a team play round one/two player(s) is weak, under KK I don't think we'll be doing this........ I am feeling really positive about our team at the moment, we're playing some really attractive stuff....

Imagine, as someone above posted....

4. Liverpool
5. Chelssea

Long way off but I think as us Liverpool fans always say, NEXT YEAR we will be a team to be reckoned with, especially after investment.....

The one thing that gets me now is, Torres won't be allowed a shit spell, we always stuck by his sulky times, I can't seeing a strong Chelsea do that!

gregorio · « **Reply #1174 on:** February 6, 2011, 11:30:49 pm »

Quote from: steveeastend on February 6, 2011, 10:55:27 pm

I think his move wasn´t for football reasons only. For sure money played a role as well.. He earns enough there to get over it, I guess..

that's bollocks, money has absolutely nothing to do with it

he's gone to try to win the Champs League this season. probably assumed that they would qualify for next season

Morgana · « **Reply #1175 on:** February 7, 2011, 12:35:12 am »

Quote from: smitalfc on February 6, 2011, 10:57:58 pm

Agree completely, bleedsred.

I always thought our rejuvenation would have Gerrard and Torres at its forefront. There was something so magical and engaging about Nando that I was utterly convinced he'd return us to greatness. Looking at him today, all that joy and exuberance has gone. As others have said, he looked lost and miserable, and I took absolutely no pleasure from it. That doesn't mean I'm not delighted at our result, and our performance. The two positions aren't incompatible, to me anyway.

I agree with this. I think his mindset and attitude around the club and in the dressing room were killing us, so we're better off now that he's gone. But it broke my heart to see him today, not just because he was wearing the wrong colours but also because it seemed to have suddenly dawned on him what he's just given up.

Samee · « **Reply #1176 on:** February 7, 2011, 12:38:56 am »

Quote from: Rohit on February 6, 2011, 11:27:11 pm

They really have no idea do they? If they dont hit top 4 this season he will be itching to leave.

Yup. If we pip Chelsea to 4th and clubs around Europe start sniffing around I would not be surprised if Torres asked for a move. Why would he stick around? Chelsea would undoubtedly be going through a transitional period then.

Wilmo · « **Reply #1177 on:** February 7, 2011, 12:45:11 am »

I know it probably makes me petty, but when Agger elbowed Torres and got away with it, I cracked a massive grin.

Best part was him lying on the floor and instead of his usual whining he realises he couldn't protest. Kind of like in Indiana Jones when Ford gets slapped full on and he turns round and says shame-facedly, 'Yeah...I deserved that'.

Stussy · « **Reply #1178 on:** February 7, 2011, 01:52:01 am »

Lets draw a line under him now.

Today was poetic justice.

One last thing I'll say about him - in an interview the other day he said there is no such thing as romance in football, when talking and justifying his move to Chelsea.

Well Fernando lad, once again Liverpool FC proved someone wrong. Romance is alive and kicking, in the shape of Kenny Dalglish coming back to our club and reviving us all the way, what could be more romantic than the sight of all those Red shirts swarming all over the pitch inspired by that man? And you had a ringside seat to watch it today, the early moments of what will be the most romantic revival of a football club by an already mythical and legendary manager that could ever be imagined.

Enjoy the rest of your career, Judas.

gritsvanilla · « **Reply #1179 on:** February 7, 2011, 02:06:59 am »

And that Stussy should be the final word on the matter.

lfcls7 · « **Reply #1180 on:** February 7, 2011, 02:09:22 am »

i dont understand why people want to end a thread. if people want to talk about it then by all means talk about it. isnt that the whole aim of RAWK 2bh.

Vonza · « **Reply #1181 on:** February 7, 2011, 02:19:14 am »

We just proved Torres wrong. Hope it surprised him when Meireles scored. Wonder what he felt like. I am still proud about today: Home game for Chelsea and Torres's debut. We won 1-0.

Don't crawl back, Torres. We don't need you anymore. We're number 6 and two away from our rival aka your club, Chelsea.

thedunnyman · « **Reply #1182 on:** February 7, 2011, 02:28:14 am »

Did anyone feel this as well?

When Agger knocked him down on the ground....although I was rather content that the die-hard attitude from Agger....

Seeing Torres on the ground holding his face actually hit a deep spot within me. I think it's come from all the times being scared of him getting injured. I was telling my now-girlfriend that it is probably the same feeling when you realise you still care for your ex-girlfriend...no matter what she did to you in the first place to lead to the breakup

Boggers · « **Reply #1183 on:** February 7, 2011, 02:38:06 am »

That article was fantastic. If true, it was pretty clever of them to make Torres the villain.

One thing I don't get is if he loved the club so much, why did trophies come first? If I was a footballer, I would stay at a midtable club that I loved, rather than a club with a chance at trophies.

The Real Rasta · « **Reply #1184 on:** February 7, 2011, 02:38:50 am »

Quote from: smitalfc on February 6, 2011, 10:57:58 pm

Agree completely, bleedsred.

I always thought our rejuvenation would have Gerrard and Torres at its forefront. There was something so magical and engaging about Nando that I was utterly convinced he'd return us to greatness. Looking at him today, all that joy and exuberance has gone. As others have said, he looked lost and miserable, and I took absolutely no pleasure from it. That doesn't mean I'm not delighted at our result, and our performance. The two positions aren't incompatible, to me anyway.

Co-sign, obviously I'm happy we won but the look on Nando's face when we scored broke my heart.

Megasuperb · « **Reply #1185 on:** February 7, 2011, 02:39:25 am »

Quote from: thedunnyman on February 7, 2011, 02:28:14 am

Did anyone feel this as well?

When Agger knocked him down on the ground....although I was rather content that the die-hard attitude from Agger....

Seeing Torres on the ground holding his face actually hit a deep spot within me. I think it's come from all the times being scared of him getting injured. I was telling my now-girlfriend that it is probably the same feeling when you realise you still care for your ex-girlfriend...no matter what she did to you in the first place to lead to the breakup

We wouldn't make good friends because I was wishing he broke his fucking nose but thats just me - and perhaps I'm a bit cynical at times

KingsRevolution · « **Reply #1186 on:** February 7, 2011, 02:46:14 am »

Quote from: thedunnyman on February 7, 2011, 02:28:14 am

Did anyone feel this as well?

When Agger knocked him down on the ground....although I was rather content that the die-hard attitude from Agger....

Seeing Torres on the ground holding his face actually hit a deep spot within me. I think it's come from all the times being scared of him getting injured. I was telling my now-girlfriend that it is probably the same feeling when you realise you still care for your ex-girlfriend...no matter what she did to you in the first place to lead to the breakup

currr, i bet she didn't take that to well fella

ashy2010 · « **Reply #1187 on:** February 7, 2011, 03:03:51 am »

Maybe Torres will be the new shevchenko for Chelsea?

Anwer · « **Reply #1188 on:** February 7, 2011, 03:28:06 am »

Quote from: ashy2010 on February 7, 2011, 03:03:51 am

Maybe Torres will be the new shevchenko for Chelsea?

Thats exactly what I've been thinking but how old was Shevchenko when he joined Chelsea? 30 was it?
Torres still has a good 2-3 years to offer.

MagicB8all · « **Reply #1189 on:** February 7, 2011, 03:32:01 am »

Torres, the fifth Beatle

superbakat · « **Reply #1190 on:** February 7, 2011, 03:37:20 am »

I guess the Torres issue is hard on most Liverpool fans, including me. But after a while I can understand what he did, IMHO.

He said he want to leave last summer. If he leaves last summer, how much we get for investment 0. Most of it will go for the bank debt repayment and some of it will go into the pocket of H&G. If I was at his place at that moment, once i knew that the manager will be Roy Hodgeson, I will immediately put my transfer request. No team, will be in good hand with Roy. But he stay. Which bring into the January transfer window.

IMO, Torres think it is the best interest of LFC if he sold in January transfer window. We can get maximum price for him due to the financial restriction rules to take place soon, although I did not understand how this financial rules come to play. If he wait till summer, no team will pay 50M for him, IMHO. We can get to invest to players the whole chunk of the money, which never happened under G&H, which is superb.

I do honestly think, he did what he did is the best interest to both himself and the Liverpool Football Club. He give his everything to LFC, it just not to last forever. If he, one day in near future, want to come back, I personally welcomed him like GOD returns to us. Mean while, I cannot wish him the best as he is our rival. Thank you for your goals and memories, Fernando Torres. Adios.

IMHO.

kaz1983 · « **Reply #1191 on:** February 7, 2011, 03:39:55 am »

Quote from: PIPA23 on February 6, 2011, 10:51:49 pm

He will be back in Spain in year - two.

This.

neel2108 · « **Reply #1192 on:** February 7, 2011, 03:43:37 am »

Quote from: Stussy on February 7, 2011, 01:52:01 am

Lets draw a line under him now.

Today was poetic justice.

One last thing I'll say about him - in an interview the other day he said there is no such thing as romance in football, when talking and justifying his move to Chelsea.

Well Fernando lad, once again Liverpool FC proved someone wrong. Romance is alive and kicking, in the shape of Kenny Dalglish coming back to our club and reviving us all the way, what could be more romantic than the sight of all those Red shirts swarming all over the pitch inspired by that man? And you had a ringside seat to watch it today, the early moments of what will be the most romantic revival of a football club by an already mythical and legendary manager that could ever be imagined.

Enjoy the rest of your career, Judas.

m4Rco · « **Reply #1193 on:** February 7, 2011, 03:46:50 am »

I really felt sorry for Nando, I loved him so much. He inspired me day by day and I'm starting to understand his decision. Imagine playing in the nationalteam of Spain without participating in the Champions League. You'd feel like an outsider. Of course he could care less, but he desperately wants to win something, thats what all footballers want to do. Unfortunately, he wasn't patient enough.

But I hope he gets his chance, I hope he can prove himself to Europe once again. He's one hell of a striker, on form the best in the world. I wish him the best but I'm afraid that Chelsea was never and will never be the right decision. The brains he had... went to his head.

Rojo O Muerto · « **Reply #1194 on:** February 7, 2011, 03:51:00 am »

Quote from: superbakat on February 7, 2011, 03:37:20 am

I guess the Torres issue is hard on most Liverpool fans, including me. But after a while I can understand what he did, IMHO.

He said he want to leave last summer. If he leaves last summer, how much we get for investment 0. Most of it will go for the bank debt repayment and some of it will go into the pocket of H&G. If I was at his place at that moment, once i knew that the manager will be Roy Hodgson, I will immediately put my transfer request. No team, will be in good hand with Roy. But he stay. Which bring into the January transfer window.

IMO, Torres think it is the best interest of LFC if he sold in January transfer window. We can get maximum price for him due to the financial restriction rules to take place soon, although I did not understand how this financial rules come to play. If he wait till summer, no team will pay 50M for him, IMHO. We can get to invest to players the whole chunk of the money, which never happened under G&H, which is superb.

I do honestly think, he did what he did is the best interest to both himself and the Liverpool Football Club. He give his everything to LFC, it just not to last forever. If he, one day in near future, want to come back, I personally welcomed him like GOD returns to us. Mean while, I cannot wish him the best as he is our rival. Thank you for your goals and memories, Fernando Torres. Adios.

IMHO.

IMHO, that last paragraph is a load of bollocks.

Didi_ram · « **Reply #1195 on:** February 7, 2011, 03:52:23 am »

Torres looked to be on the verge of sulking.His body language wasnt very good at all,and had he played like this for us,we would have said that he was not interested.

superbakat · « **Reply #1196 on:** February 7, 2011, 03:55:29 am »

Quote from: Rojo O Muerto on February 7, 2011, 03:51:00 am

IMHO, that last paragraph is a load of bollocks.

Thank you.

Rojo O Muerto · « **Reply #1197 on:** February 7, 2011, 03:58:00 am »

Quote from: superbakat on February 7, 2011, 03:55:29 am

Thank you.

Well I mean come on, Transfer Request 3 days before close of window. That was In our best interest was it?

Welcoming him back like when Fowler came back?? You're a joker! Bridges well and truly burned.

superbakat · « **Reply #1198 on:** February 7, 2011, 04:03:47 am »

Quote from: Rojo O Muerto on February 7, 2011, 03:58:00 am

Well I mean come on, Transfer Request 3 days before close of window. That was In our best interest was it?

Welcoming him back like when Fowler came back?? You're a joker! Bridges well and truly burned.

As written, IMHO. It just my opinion and your opinion about my opinion is legit as well. But, he is not our player any more. Raul is beast. Well done Raul. (This is not opinion)

Beerbelly · « **Reply #1199 on:** February 7, 2011, 04:16:30 am »

little un-related but funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoH4bJAT7Dg