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Re: Roy to be sacked & Dion Fanning article
« Reply #2320 on: January 4, 2011, 01:49:25 pm »
Would this Rangnick be good?

He'd be a risk. But we'd play very attacking football
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« Reply #2321 on: January 4, 2011, 01:52:23 pm »
He'd be a risk. But we'd play very attacking football

I've always believed in high risk - high return.

Sounds good to me.

Especially the 'attacking' part.

Actually come to think of it, the 'football' sounds good also  :)

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Re: Roy to be sacked & Dion Fanning article
« Reply #2322 on: January 4, 2011, 01:53:13 pm »

Why do all players seem to be in support of Hodgson? Don't they see what he's doing to our playing style?


It’s a quote from the official site – I’d say it’s more the usual players spouting platitudes than anything else. Privately most of them must have some concerns to varying degrees but I guess not many are going to speak out if they want to stick around.

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« Reply #2323 on: January 4, 2011, 01:56:23 pm »
I'm thinking that the players are a bit embarrassed by recent performances and these comments are not so much a backing of Hodgson but more like an admission that they should've done better.

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Re: Roy to be sacked & Dion Fanning article
« Reply #2324 on: January 4, 2011, 01:56:37 pm »
It’s a quote from the official site – I’d say it’s more the usual players spouting platitudes than anything else. Privately most of them must have some concerns to varying degrees but I guess not many are going to speak out if they want to stick around.

It reminds me very much of last season where a few were saying they supported Rafa but the big players like Torres and Gerrard didn't.

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Re: Roy to be sacked & Dion Fanning article
« Reply #2325 on: January 4, 2011, 02:12:49 pm »
I've always believed in high risk - high return.

Sounds good to me.

Especially the 'attacking' part.

Actually come to think of it, the 'football' sounds good also  :)

I'm not sure FSG want to take that risk though. I think they're going to wait and wait until they are ready to get a longterm manager.

I'd be more than happy if they went and got him today. Of course it may not work out(but that can happen with any guy we get) but one things for sure the football at Anfield would be a hell of alot more exciting than the snoozefest currently.
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Re: Roy to be sacked & Dion Fanning article
« Reply #2326 on: January 4, 2011, 02:25:59 pm »
Roy is still picking the team so every player who wants to play will support him.

Yeh that's fair enough, you'd take what players say with a pinch of salt but you'd have to admit there was something of a show of unity the other night after the game. The players could have quite easily avoided him walkin off that pitch but I don't think they did, correct me if I'm wrong.

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« Reply #2327 on: January 4, 2011, 02:36:57 pm »
Would this Rangnick be good?

Hmm... hard to say has little champions league experience/big club experience. Done very good with Hoffenheim and favours young players (ala FSG). Average age at Hoffenheim was 22 at one point IIRC.

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Re: Roy to be sacked & Dion Fanning article
« Reply #2328 on: January 4, 2011, 02:38:00 pm »
raphael honigstein is on the radio in a bit talking about klopp and rangnick i think

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« Reply #2329 on: January 4, 2011, 02:56:19 pm »
Would this Rangnick be good?

No, it would be a disaster, seriously.
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« Reply #2330 on: January 4, 2011, 02:57:44 pm »
Would this Rangnick be good?

He looks a little like Bobby Davro.

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Re: Roy to be sacked & Dion Fanning article
« Reply #2331 on: January 4, 2011, 02:58:23 pm »


Why do all players seem to be in support of Hodgson? Don't they see what he's doing to our playing style?

Or would it be because they want to appear to be in support of the team (and hence the manager)?

What do you expect from the club officials site mate? Remembering how the squad was behind Benitez last year should make it clear that this is  nothing more than a shallow statement for the press.
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Re: Roy to be sacked & Dion Fanning article
« Reply #2332 on: January 4, 2011, 02:59:35 pm »
He looks a little like Bobby Davro.



He is an idiot, no german top club hired him so far after his "work" at Schalke.
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Re: Roy to be sacked & Dion Fanning article
« Reply #2333 on: January 4, 2011, 03:00:49 pm »
Why do all players seem to be in support of Hodgson? Don't they see what he's doing to our playing style?

Or would it be because they want to appear to be in support of the team (and hence the manager)?

I wrote a piece regarding this, earlier on. May aswell post it. My first bit of writing about football.


Collective Responsibility
Collective responsibility is a political term pertaining to the responsibility of each individual of a collective, to a whole. It is often a technique used to make sure politicians in a political party tow the party line (along with the Whips, of course).

There is evidence of a collective responsibility environment emerging in the dressing room, through comments made by various players, legends and Hodgson. Contrary to popular opinion, the dressing room seems to have not been ‘lost’. Hodgson claims: ”I have been lucky the support I have had has been from the players and within the club…” and there is certainly evidence of this, with recent comments from Fabio Aurelio, stating “we are all behind the manager and we have to try to get out of this situation together…” and even offering up words of sympathy; “we all know the coach is the first person to have the pressure on. He tries to make the team play, but it’s the players who have to go out on the pitch and do it.”

It would seem, by studying these comments from Aurelio, that Hodgson has at least some of the players’ backing. However, it is clear that the backing of the players has come from players who have either been (re-)signed, or are doing their best to become first choice once more – see comments from Johnson, Cole and Aurelio in recent weeks. This creates an illusory collective responsibility environment, and could point to in-cohesion in the dressing room.

The rumblings of discontent were first evident through Daniel Agger’s comments that “our play has changed”, claiming “I’m here to play, not unload.” Somewhat of an attack on Hodgson’s footballing philosophy that has “translated from Halmstad to Malmo to Orebo to Neuchatel Xamax to the Swiss National team.” Or so he claims.

Comments such as those, from somewhat of a favourite amongst Liverpool fans, highlighted early on just how ‘at odds’ Hodgson was to the famous “pass and move” footballing philosophy which has been ingrained in a fanbase so richly rewarded with footballing finery over the years.

Ian Rush has recently become an advocate of the ‘give him time’ corner, citing the (what some claim as) somewhat fortunate win over Bolton as a reason to “get behind him [Hodgson]“. Rush claims that Liverpool “played some really good football”, which can be disputed as distracting hyperbole – the football was decent, as much as you’d come to expect under Rafa Benitez every game, and the least you’d expect from a Liverpool performance at Anfield, with a 58% possession rating over a good Bolton side.

Although Liverpool have now ‘done the double’ over Bolton this season, winning 2-1 Home and Away, it should be noted that in both games, Liverpool were saved a potentially deflating draw by late goals. Not the comfortable wins against Bolton the fans have come to expect over the years. Albeit, against a man in Owen Coyle who has revitalized the Bolton side, and has it playing attractive football. It’s possible that it should be Coyle that should feel disappointed at Home loss against a Hodgson side, rather than Hodgson feeling proud of a win.

It was, however, an improvement. Although, clearly not enough to ‘save’ Hodgson’s job (it’s almost an inevitability that he will be removed in the summer anyway), it did serve as a life support mechanism, to drag out the last few breaths of his ailing tenure as Liverpool boss. John Henry and Tom Werner are thought to be working on a number of potential managerial targets; even having approached Jurgen Klopp in recent weeks, according to various reports. A New Years Eve (strategic) media leak saw many high-profile newspapers reveal that bonafide Liverpool legend, Kenny Dalglish, was close to taking on Liverpool’s managerial post.

The collective responsibility, that seems to be more of an atmosphere between Hodgson and (some of) the players, rather than a binding agreement, is to be tested by the abysmal away form that Liverpool ‘enjoyed’ in 2010, and indeed, that Hodgson has ‘enjoyed’ throughout his entire career, who has never won more than 5 away wins in a Premier League season. Collective responsibility? Or the responsibility of a man not fit to manage one of Europe’s, and indeed the World’s, top clubs?

The appointment of Hodgson at the Liverpool helm, proves the old clichè is very much still applicable today: ‘it’s not what you know, it’s who you know.’ Hodgson certainly has friends in high places.


http://terrestrialsandtribulations.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/collective-responsibility

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Re: Roy to be sacked & Dion Fanning article
« Reply #2334 on: January 4, 2011, 03:01:04 pm »
Can anyone tells me why we have not heard of any news that Roy got sacked :(

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« Reply #2335 on: January 4, 2011, 03:04:39 pm »
Rangnick would relish Liverpool job
Tuesday, 4 January 2011 13:19



Former Hoffenheim coach Ralf Rangnick would relish the chance to manage a Barclays Premier League club, although there have not yet been any enquiries from Liverpool, according to his agent Oliver Mintzlaff.

The 52-year-old has been linked with replacing Roy Hodgson at Liverpool after leaving the Bundesliga club on New Year's Day, and Mintzlaff has admitted that his client would jump at the chance to further his career in England.

'Ralf Rangnick is very interested in the Premier League and Liverpool is certainly a very interesting club with a great tradition,' he told Press Association Sport.

'Ralf is a great fan of English football and he has followed it a great deal.

'The English Premier League is something which interests him very much, but there have not been any discussions with Liverpool.'


Rangnick left Hoffenheim after four and a half years in charge at the turn of the year due to a difference of opinion with the club's owner Dietmar Hopp.

Hopp, one of the richest men in Germany, appointed the former Stuttgart, Hannover and Schalke coach in 2006 to realise his personal ambitions of turning Hoffenheim into a Bundesliga club within five years.

Rangnick, who had shown his pedigree in the late 1990s by helping to lead Ulm from the third division into the top flight in successive seasons, repeated that feat with Hoffenheim and even took them to the top of the Bundesliga at the midway stage of their maiden season among Germany's elite.

They eventually ended that year in seventh and finished 11th last season.

Rangnick's aim for this year was to lead the club into Europe for the first time, but when one of his key players, Luiz Gustavo, was sold to Bayern Munich against his will and he quickly realised that his objectives were no longer correlating with Hopp's.

'Of course if you don't have any ambition, then you cannot be a football manager,' added Mintzlaff.

'Hoffenheim was an exciting, unique project and he led them into the Bundesliga in only two years, and they were never even close to a relegation berth.

'Now, in the third year in the Bundesliga, it is only understandable that he has the ambition to play in Europe. Unfortunately, his aims and those of Hopp were not entirely compatible.'

Rangnick therefore realised that his dream of managing once again in the Champions League, where he had a brief experience in charge of Schalke in 2005, was unlikely to be fulfilled with Hoffenheim.

He is now waiting for the opportunity to lead a club that shares his own aspirations of competing at the very top.

'After four and a half years (with Hoffenheim), it is only normal that he takes a short pause to catch his breath,' added Mintzlaff. 'But he is, of course, really burning to get a new job.'


A call from England would be a preference, and the language would not be an issue.

After completing his A-Levels in Germany, Rangnick spent a semester studying at the University of Sussex in Brighton and graduated with a degree in English and Sports Studies at Stuttgart University in 1985.

'Of course he speaks English fluently,' confirmed Mintzlaff. 'That would not be a problem.'


http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2011/0104/rangnickr.html
I really didn't know he was the 2005-Schalke coach. That team was impressive and-to me- they played good passing, yet gritty football- well-balanced in attack and defense with a very good goal-return. It was the first time I saw Schalke play in Europe and they were immediately my 2nd favorite team to watch.

So, it was him then...
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« Reply #2336 on: January 4, 2011, 03:06:04 pm »
all the talk of new managers and we still have the crap one here.........Why bother with all the potential names when

a) shithead is still here
b) the perfect man for the job with the best winning cv is available and sitting in the wirral

theses potentials are smoke screens to keep hodgson till the end of the season and also to make us forget the best qualified man for the job

I agree. Putting forward the German Roy Hodgson (one CL season in his career) when Rafa is available is laughable. None of the names I've seen put forward come close to matching Rafa's credentials when he joined us (or even Houllier's for that matter).

Villas Boas is one to watch but he's at the stage of his career equivalent to Rafa's first season at Valencia.
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« Reply #2337 on: January 4, 2011, 03:08:00 pm »
I agree. Putting forward the German Roy Hodgson (one CL season in his career)
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Re: Roy to be sacked & Dion Fanning article
« Reply #2338 on: January 4, 2011, 03:12:18 pm »
It’s a quote from the official site – I’d say it’s more the usual players spouting platitudes than anything else. Privately most of them must have some concerns to varying degrees but I guess not many are going to speak out if they want to stick around.

I think you're right Nick, nobody wants to be accused of rocking the boat
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« Reply #2339 on: January 4, 2011, 03:13:16 pm »
Did anyone see the pre Blackburn PC? Any idea why Sammy Lee did it and not Roy?
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« Reply #2340 on: January 4, 2011, 03:13:52 pm »
So now his agent has said this, he probably won't get the job. See: Kirdi, Huang, Loic Remy, Sylvain Marveaux etc etc.

Still, wouldn't mind him. If only because he went to the university I go to.

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« Reply #2341 on: January 4, 2011, 03:14:47 pm »
Did anyone see the pre Blackburn PC? Any idea why Sammy Lee did it and not Roy?

Roy was having lunch with Furgus in Manchester. ;)
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« Reply #2342 on: January 4, 2011, 03:17:33 pm »
Did anyone see the pre Blackburn PC? Any idea why Sammy Lee did it and not Roy?

Because Roy can't be trusted not to talk shite.
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« Reply #2343 on: January 4, 2011, 03:20:10 pm »
Because Roy can't be trusted not to talk shite.

Very unlike Roy to miss a spotlight opportunity.
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« Reply #2344 on: January 4, 2011, 03:27:02 pm »
Because Roy can't be trusted not to talk shite.

Why stop him now though!

As for the players comments never heard a player be critical of his manager openly, they do it through a third party!

 Or wait till he is sacked and then slate him!

As for Aurelio he left because he would not agree to a logical for the club , pay as you play contract, and Roy brought him back on a full contract so he will be supportive of the old goose that laid his golden egg!


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« Reply #2345 on: January 4, 2011, 03:40:53 pm »
Can anyone tells me why we have not heard of any news that Roy got sacked :(

Yes indeed with the cold weather and christmas rush his P45 is indeed in the post and we think somewhere around the birmingham hub area (it was sent quite accidently 2nd class) Dan Gleballs area manager for brum post office has assured normal service will resume shortley.
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« Reply #2346 on: January 4, 2011, 04:08:58 pm »
Roy is still picking the team so every player who wants to play will support him.
I don't think roy is picking the team.

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« Reply #2347 on: January 4, 2011, 04:27:23 pm »
I don't think roy is picking the team.
How do you come to that conclusion, mr bunnyman ?
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« Reply #2348 on: January 4, 2011, 05:55:18 pm »
How do you come to that conclusion, mr bunnyman ?
Just a gut feeling he got told to play Agger and Aurelio.

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« Reply #2349 on: January 4, 2011, 06:03:54 pm »
For me theres only 2 realistic options for a manager who is gonna make an instant impact.  Kenny or Rafa.  I like the sound of Rangnick, not really well known but neither really was Rafa, Houllier or Wenger.  But an external manager will need to come in during the summer.  If they were to come in now it would be detrimental and our performances will suffer because the players would have to learn a whole new system immediately.  This would only halt our progress up the table I reckon.

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« Reply #2350 on: January 4, 2011, 06:06:13 pm »
Did anyone see the pre Blackburn PC? Any idea why Sammy Lee did it and not Roy?

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« Reply #2351 on: January 4, 2011, 06:06:21 pm »
  But an external manager will need to come in during the summer.  If they were to come in now it would be detrimental and our performances will suffer because the players would have to learn a whole new system immediately.  This would only halt our progress up the table I reckon.
Learning a whole new system is easier than playing without one, no?

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« Reply #2352 on: January 4, 2011, 06:09:05 pm »
Learning a whole new system is easier than playing without one, no?

You can see both sides of the argument, if we do appoint a new man now i think we can safely write off the season anyway.
Thats not to say we would not improve but it MIGHT take time to work.
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« Reply #2353 on: January 4, 2011, 06:10:38 pm »
Did anyone see the pre Blackburn PC? Any idea why Sammy Lee did it and not Roy?

They must have finally cottoned on at the club that Hodgson's talks shite and nothing but shite. What good comes out of a hodgson press conference?? We'd only end up ripping our hair out at the next inane and stupid comment by this 'media savvy' man.

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« Reply #2354 on: January 4, 2011, 06:11:47 pm »
Good point, but would it be worth losing ground for the race to 4th spot?  Slim though those chance are right now.  I would go with Kenny till the summer and not bring Rafa back.  Kenny knows the players, the systems we used to play and the reserves.  Makes sense.

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« Reply #2355 on: January 4, 2011, 06:12:32 pm »
They must have finally cottoned on at the club that Hodgson's talks shite and nothing but shite. What good comes out of a hodgson press conference?? We'd only end up ripping our hair out at the next inane and stupid comment by this 'media savvy' man.

That every time he talks he puts another nail in his coffin, though he has a big fucking coffin obviously

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Re: Roy to be sacked & Dion Fanning article
« Reply #2356 on: January 4, 2011, 06:13:45 pm »
Good point, but would it be worth losing ground for the race to 4th spot? 

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Re: Roy to be sacked & Dion Fanning article
« Reply #2357 on: January 4, 2011, 06:15:24 pm »
Did anyone see the pre Blackburn PC? Any idea why Sammy Lee did it and not Roy?

Roy was elsewhere collecting his 9th Best Boss trophy. Then he had to pop to B&Q for a packet of 'final nails'.
I trust the King, but if we lose a few more on the trot now - he may have to step aside, and we have to purchase another manager in the middle of the season. If we are relegated, this could be the end of our ambitions to win any title the next 100 years.

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Re: Roy to be sacked & Dion Fanning article
« Reply #2358 on: January 4, 2011, 06:16:14 pm »
Roy was elsewhere collecting his 9th Best Boss trophy. Then he had to pop to B&Q for a packet of 'final nails'.

nah.. he's had those nails for ages.. we just can't find the goddam hammer

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Re: Roy to be sacked & Dion Fanning article
« Reply #2359 on: January 4, 2011, 06:19:38 pm »
They must have finally cottoned on at the club that Hodgson's talks shite and nothing but shite. What good comes out of a hodgson press conference?? We'd only end up ripping our hair out at the next inane and stupid comment by this 'media savvy' man.
Perhaps Roy felt he had spoken to the press quite a lot recently, probably more than he would have liked to, and that he really needed to concentrate on coaching the team because results aren't going very well at the moment.

Then again, perhaps not.
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