Topic: 2018 and 2022 FIFA World Cup - Russia and Qatar. Garcia Report...

[please, I have my reasons for it but...]

For me there is two nations who can host the WC if it was to be held tommorrow, England & the US, the stadiums are ready, the infrastructure is ready, transportation is there, fine weather in the summer and I can live by watching a match at 5.30 am then going to work rather than having to miss the WC final at 9.00 am because I am at work already (yes, I am talking about you Korea, Japan and Australia).

If this was a legitimate voting (no bribing involved) then England & the US should get it, but knowing how the Fifa works, they'll give it to the country who pays the most, and it won't surprise me if Russia & Qatar take the bidding rights, even though both countries are the ones who need massive work on everything involved to host the WC.

[bryanod]

If Spain went on their own I would've liked them, England is almost too easy and obvious to pick, far too much sense to have it there.

Aus should get it in 2022, it would be quality.

[nicholasanthony]

Australia has hosted every major sporting event besides the World Cup. Would be a piece of piss. Would love it to be here.

[Captain Wolf Biscuit]

I read somewhere that this year World Cup television audiences were up 9% from 2006 because of the favourable time difference between SA and Asia. Could be a big boost for the Oz bid because of the similarities.

Hope England in 2018 and Australia in 2022.

Australia is in a massively different timezone to South Africa. Or have I misunderstood your post?

[please, I have my reasons for it but...]

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[JackBauer]

I read somewhere that this year World Cup television audiences were up 9% from 2006 because of the favourable time difference between SA and Asia. Could be a big boost for the Oz bid because of the similarities.

How does that work? The time difference between Germany and South Africa is an hour, which would make bugger all difference to how convenient viewing times were in Asia.

[please, I have my reasons for it but...]

Beckham doing some ass kissing on Al Jazeera,"Me and Jack Warner are friends, we always had a great friendship relation, Jack is a great man, great family man and I'm sure he'll choose the best bid which is ours."

[SamiSamiHyypia]

For me there is two nations who can host the WC if it was to be held tommorrow, England & the US, the stadiums are ready, the infrastructure is ready, transportation is there, fine weather in the summer and I can live by watching a match at 5.30 am then going to work rather than having to miss the WC final at 9.00 am because I am at work already (yes, I am talking about you Korea, Japan and Australia).

If this was a legitimate voting (no bribing involved) then England & the US should get it, but knowing how the Fifa works, they'll give it to the country who pays the most, and it won't surprise me if Russia & Qatar take the bidding rights, even though both countries are the ones who need massive work on everything involved to host the WC.

Agree that we could, but only as well as Spain&Portugal. They have everything in place too, with more modern and higher capacity stadia than we have.

And better weather (Ask Masch.)

[Lent§]

Agree that we could, but only as well as Spain&Portugal. They have everything in place too, with more modern and higher capacity stadia than we have.

And better weather (Ask Masch.)

The stadia issue between Spain/Portugal and England can't be as clear cut as you make out? Since they're having to share it i'd argue there aren't that many 'modern and higher capacity' stadiums than England?

[NatD]

Anyone doubting Qatar's potential should be wathcing their presentation now.  Very impressive.

[Frank.]

Beckhams press conference was smooth.

[SamiSamiHyypia]

Well I'm no expert on the subject but Portugal have a lot of modern stadia left from the Euros in 2004, and aside from the Bernabeu and Camp Nou, Atletico are moving to a massively extended and renovated ground soon and Valencia are the same.

Whereas a few of ours are either small and pretty odd choices in general (Milton Keynes, Bristol etc) or more outdated (By international standards, though I and a lot of other people would argue that's what makes them so atmospheric) like Anfield.

That said, both us and the Iberian bid would take on massive upgrades by 2018, but based on holding the competition tomorrow (which obviously doesn't mean much anyway), I think they could have the edge!

[Lent§]

Morgan Freeman has missed a page out of his speech for the USA bid   surely the last person you'd expect to fuck up!

[exiledintheUSA]

Morgan Freeman has missed a page out of his speech for the USA bid   surely the last person you'd expect to fuck up!

They will throw him back in to the Ohio State Reformatory!

[Slick_Beef]

The stadia issue between Spain/Portugal and England can't be as clear cut as you make out? Since they're having to share it i'd argue there aren't that many 'modern and higher capacity' stadiums than England?

I think Portugal and Spain are much stronger on the stadium front to be honest. I mean, England only has 4 stadiums with a capacity greater than 50000 - Portugal and Spain combined have 10  (i know 50000 is an arbitrary number but I'd say it's that kind of size that starts to separate average sized ones from the really big ones). Bigger stadiums = more tickets for corrupt fifa execs to tout

Disclaimer - I haven't checked which stadiums are down for us in Spain and Portugal, and I understand they wont have just gone for the biggest, but they do have plenty of big ones spread around the peninsular to choose from

[exiledintheUSA]

Beckhams press conference was smooth.

I can smell a Knighthood.

[PJG]

For me there is two nations who can host the WC if it was to be held tommorrow, England & the US, the stadiums are ready, the infrastructure is ready, transportation is there, fine weather in the summer and I can live by watching a match at 5.30 am then going to work rather than having to miss the WC final at 9.00 am because I am at work already (yes, I am talking about you Korea, Japan and Australia).

If this was a legitimate voting (no bribing involved) then England & the US should get it, but knowing how the Fifa works, they'll give it to the country who pays the most, and it won't surprise me if Russia & Qatar take the bidding rights, even though both countries are the ones who need massive work on everything involved to host the WC.

Yes because thats what they're doing in this process.They're deciding who can host the world cup tomorrow and not the one in 8/12 years. 

[DM Red]

thats a great line up for 2022. 

why should South KOrea or Japan get it again so soon after 2002. USA had it in 94. Qatar will be too hot. Australia looks the best one for me.

seriously if England dont get 2018, something is wrong.

[Frank.]

What time is the 2022 host announced?

[Dam Sodd]

Mascherano's in the England bid vid 

[Popcorn]

what time is it announced tomorrow?

[Agger]

Have Birmingham fans perhaps fucked up England's chances of getting it?

[exiledintheUSA]

Have Birmingham fans perhaps fucked up England's chances of getting it?

People from Birmingham have generally fucked up England to be honest.

[istanbulism]

There's gold in them thar hills oil and natural gas reserves in them thar Persian Gulf.

Qatar pumped millions of dollars into the rebuilding of all types of infrastructure in South Lebanon after the 2006 war with Israel..

Money coming from its AR$E

[pepe_carra_stevie_nando]

What the fuck was the Aussie video? Who ever come up with that pile of shit should be shot.

[Picklez]

Have Birmingham fans perhaps fucked up England's chances of getting it?

was thinking this too. Bit of a dickhead thing to do a day before the announcement eh?

[jaygraham]

For me there is two nations who can host the WC if it was to be held tommorrow, England & the US, the stadiums are ready, the infrastructure is ready, transportation is there, fine weather in the summer and I can live by watching a match at 5.30 am then going to work rather than having to miss the WC final at 9.00 am because I am at work already (yes, I am talking about you Korea, Japan and Australia).

If this was a legitimate voting (no bribing involved) then England & the US should get it, but knowing how the Fifa works, they'll give it to the country who pays the most, and it won't surprise me if Russia & Qatar take the bidding rights, even though both countries are the ones who need massive work on everything involved to host the WC.

Think personally Spain and Portugal are as ready as England or the US. Spain's got bigger stadiums close to england in quality (okay some are older, but in the financial climate, why not re-use old stadia?!) Portugals' transportation is better than England as its infastructure. I'd argue Spain's is as well.

[Dam Sodd]

what time is it announced tomorrow?

3pm UK time .. ish

[Roopy]

If the tournament were to be held in Australia, I'd assume that kick off times would be something like:

3pm local - which is 6am UK
5:30pm local - which is 8:30am UK
8:00pm local - which is 11am UK

And stop whinging about having to wake up early to watch matches... we been doing it in Australia for every WC other than Korea/Japan!

Not to mention EPL, La Liga, Serie A etc season in season out!

[Frank.]

Watch your own league then

[Roopy]

Watch your own league then

I do.

[sydred09]

Don't want Oz, but that's just selfish really cos I don't wanna be up at all hours.

Bugger "at all hours", you got what...over 11 years to save Come down here and enjoy it

[USC19Babel]

Feels strange being excited about something that is 8/12 years away.

[istanbulism]

Bunch of whingers! I have been waking up/staying up at the most random times to watch games for the past 10 years!

[jerseyhoya]

One thing that hasn't really been talked about too much in the press that I've seen, but Qatar hosting means the Qatari national team gets to play in a World Cup. That's kind of absurd.

[USC19Babel]

One thing that hasn't really been talked about too much in the press that I've seen, but Qatar hosting means the Qatari national team gets to play in a World Cup. That's kind of absurd.

They're only ranked 113th according to FIFA

[JoeTwerp]

One thing that hasn't really been talked about too much in the press that I've seen, but Qatar hosting means the Qatari national team gets to play in a World Cup. That's kind of absurd.

well South Africa weren't too deserving either

[jerseyhoya]

well South Africa weren't too deserving either

They've qualified on their own a few times. And I know when the US was awarded the 1994 World Cup they hadn't qualified in a while, but they subsequently qualified for 1990.

I guess I'm having a really hard time getting past the part that more people live in 35 different metro areas in the US than in all of Qatar.

[socrates the sophist]

I have been doing a lot of research on the bids involved, simply because I had too much time on my hands . There are a number of clear criteria that FIFA want met they are;
1) Legacy.
2) High viewer ship rates.
3) Financial profit/encouraging investments in the chosen country.
4) Government backing.
5) Safety.
6)Stadia.
7) Infastructure.
8)Passion about the sport.
9) Transportation

2018 bids
In my mind England has to be the favorite. It meets all the criteria with the exception of legacy (although the bid peopl could have played it up, "the biggest football event returns to Football's origins". Russia lacks safety (cold weather) as well as governmental backing. Spain/Portugal would be the perfect choice the only problem is its in two countries. In fact of voters are swayed that its not really two countries (since they are very close to each other). Spain/Portugal bid would be the favorite bid.

To sum up England is solid in all areas, with stadia being its strongest point. Russia are stronger on a number of other criteria such as financial profit but they are week in terms of governmental backing (to be honest I really can't see Russia winning it). Spain/Portugal are also solid in all criterion but they have even better Stadia than England and their weather is better (safety)
Winner Spain/Portugal.

2022 bids

Again if the US wants this badly, they'll win it. But they lack governmental backing sense its expected the senate will change to the hands of the Republican party. Another problem would be viewer ship as time difference will be an issue for countries in Europe, Africa and some countries in Asia. However viewer ship in South America and China would be unscathed which helps the bid. Yet people would rather party after the World Cup than go to work. Which is one of the major problem in Australia's bid.

Australia has a very good chance of hosting the World Cup. It has the stadia as well as the much-craved legacy factor. But the lack of passion for the sport always play a part in affecting the voters' mind. But the real problem is with Australia is that there is no criteria that stands out from other bids, added to the fact that there are other criterion where they are not as good as other bids such as the Qatari bid for example.

If Qatar wins this bid, they will have the most interesting looking stadia in world football. There's was the only presentation I really enjoyed watching.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-z2jtUS9-Y
Qatar is a solid in all areas, even though inspectors  have said that over crowdedness and heat are big issues. The bid does make it clear that they have innovative solutions to this including water taxis from Bahrain to the stadium (would take 15 minutes to reach) and air-conditioned stadiums. So if they play that up in their final presentations, they have a strong chance of winning. specially when bearing in mind that the bid has the highest legacy, investment and Governmental-backing values. However the dark area around the bid would be the extreme culture may be a discouragement for many football fans. I had a chance to visit Qatar as recently as late October and I saw that things are opening up, but will the culture be as open-minded as fans would want in 12 years? That's the challenge that faces the voters in regards to this bid
Winner Qatar

[Lady_brandybuck]

Don't want Oz, but that's just selfish really cos I don't wanna be up at all hours.

Hello!!! I've been doing that since I watch football... Flojo!