Author Topic: Is Carragher to slow a hoofer and not good enough anymore? (Read 7328 times)

larrylimestreet · « **on:** September 21, 2010, 05:27:59 pm »

Serious question we've all been discussing - well 6 of us in work lunch hour? 3 for 3 against.

jDJ · « **Reply #1 on:** September 21, 2010, 05:29:55 pm »

Carra's got a long history of allowing hoofers to go as fast as they please.

underdog · « **Reply #2 on:** September 21, 2010, 05:34:56 pm »

Carra is untouchable, he is the best CB in the league, he should be auto first choice always for any team he wants to play in, he is loyal, if you cut him he bleeds red (ummmmm) he is amazing at blaming his team mates when things go wrong, and always has a story to tell, sometimes even to the press so we all get to hear but being modest he never puts his name to these stories.

Lucas21 · « **Reply #3 on:** September 21, 2010, 05:36:35 pm »

wow, wish we were as quick to turn on the owners

Clayton Bigsby · « **Reply #4 on:** September 21, 2010, 05:37:48 pm »

He is getting a bit cynical now that the pace is catching up on him

I still want him in the side, although his hoofing is ridicolous

starskysdad · « **Reply #5 on:** September 21, 2010, 05:37:55 pm »

I can not believe that people are more interested in discussing players and their hoofability rather than getting focused on the protest for the Sunderland match and ensuring that they own a 'corrupted' shirt.

There is a time and a place for all types of pass from a defender to other members of the team and I am fully confident that in the right time and place, Carra will make the right decision.

RK7 · « **Reply #6 on:** September 21, 2010, 05:37:59 pm »

It is tough because I think his legs went years ago and I think he should be replaced. However then he puts in some top quality performances when we are up against the wall. If we are looking long term then maybe he should step aside now. The question is anyone good enough to replace him at the club?

has gone odd · « **Reply #7 on:** September 21, 2010, 05:38:16 pm »

carra should stay, but rest him from time to time ferfucksake! he is exactly what we need atm, passionate to the bitter end at any cost. his legs may be going but hes still got 2 seasons of good service left i feel.

for the love of god tho put agger on beside him instead of skirtl. that guy is well out of sorts just now.

Spanish Al · « **Reply #8 on:** September 21, 2010, 05:38:35 pm »

Well, I can guarantee this will be a massive Carra bashing fest.

James Mac · « **Reply #9 on:** September 21, 2010, 05:39:47 pm »

Is this meant to be:

1) Is Carragher too slow; a hoofer; and not good enough anymore?

or

2) Is Carragher too slow a hoofer; and not good enough anymore?

kopilot · « **Reply #10 on:** September 21, 2010, 05:40:51 pm »

i think he's ok..but let's be honest his age, pace and power particularly are catching up

seriously, this season is the best time to gradually fielding Agger-Skrtel partnership, particularly in 'easy' matches and see how it goes.

rednich85 · « **Reply #11 on:** September 21, 2010, 05:41:11 pm »

Please!

SwedenRed · « **Reply #12 on:** September 21, 2010, 05:41:33 pm »

Still a terrific player...but time could be up. Age has made that a reality.

csgreen · « **Reply #13 on:** September 21, 2010, 05:42:38 pm »

Quote from: James Mac on September 21, 2010, 05:39:47 pm

Is this meant to be:

1) Is Carragher too slow; a hoofer; and not good enough anymore?

or

2) Is Carragher too slow a hoofer; and not good enough anymore?

It has to be the former. No one can match him for hoofing pace.

kopilot · « **Reply #14 on:** September 21, 2010, 05:43:04 pm »

Quote from: rednich85 on September 21, 2010, 05:41:11 pm

Please!

was about to say that....

rednich85 · « **Reply #15 on:** September 21, 2010, 05:43:16 pm »

Quote from: James Mac on September 21, 2010, 05:39:47 pm

Is this meant to be:

1) Is Carragher too slow; a hoofer; and not good enough anymore?

or

2) Is Carragher too slow a hoofer; and not good enough anymore?

James Mac · « **Reply #16 on:** September 21, 2010, 05:44:03 pm »

Quote from: rednich85 on September 21, 2010, 05:43:16 pm

I'm not just being pedantic though! It alters the whole tone of the thread

... · « **Reply #17 on:** September 21, 2010, 05:44:45 pm »

He hoofs pretty quickly, more driven than 'floaty'

freedom · « **Reply #18 on:** September 21, 2010, 05:45:12 pm »

Quote from: rednich85 on September 21, 2010, 05:41:11 pm

Please!

this

underdog · « **Reply #19 on:** September 21, 2010, 05:51:11 pm »

I feel that maybe his constant selection in the team is holding back others which would be fine if we were winning games as a result, we are however not. I think as Roy has admitted this is a rebuilding exercise, if we're rebuilding then shouldn't we be playing the players who will be there in 2 years time? We have Agger who hasn't played regular football in 2 seasons, give him a run in the team and he will get back to form and I am sure Skrtel will settle more not having to worry so much about his partners mobility as much.

Also we have Wilson, Kelly and Ayala who could do with some match experience as in a couple of years we hope they too will be fighting to be first choice.

rowan_d · « **Reply #20 on:** September 21, 2010, 05:55:53 pm »

His slow hoofing pisses me off so much. If he did it quickly it'd be welcome, but his hoofing is so ponderous it slows down our attacking tactics that have been so brilliantly devised by Roy.

impz · « **Reply #21 on:** September 21, 2010, 05:57:12 pm »

Quote from: robbie keane on September 21, 2010, 05:37:59 pm

It is tough because I think his legs went years ago and I think he should be replaced. However then he puts in some top quality performances when we are up against the wall. If we are looking long term then maybe he should step aside now. The question is anyone good enough to replace him at the club?

It's a risk we'll have to take in order to move forward.

General Alonso · « **Reply #22 on:** September 21, 2010, 05:57:30 pm »

He's just not good enough. His only decent attibute is shot-blocking in and around the six yard box. Hoofy's organisational and leadership abilities are greatly exaggerated.

dioufythebrave · « **Reply #23 on:** September 21, 2010, 05:57:41 pm »

his hoofing does get to me, but against utd, we seemed to have cut alot of it out, carra included. i think he is still good enough for us too

rafabenihill · « **Reply #24 on:** September 21, 2010, 05:59:35 pm »

come on guys..
do recall his long passes did result in goal scoring situations not too long ago..
think it is the lack of cover from johnson that is partly due to him being exposed more often

Canada Loves Anfield · « **Reply #25 on:** September 21, 2010, 06:00:23 pm »

Give Agger and Skrtel a chance

McMahon · « **Reply #26 on:** September 21, 2010, 06:02:13 pm »

He is still miles ahead of Skitters, the problem is does the partnership of him and Agger work. If not play Agger and a decent arial CD.

underdog · « **Reply #27 on:** September 21, 2010, 06:04:46 pm »

Quote from: McMahon on September 21, 2010, 06:02:13 pm

He is still miles ahead of Skitters, the problem is does the partnership of him and Agger work. If not play Agger and a decent arial CD.

Exactly why my vote goes to Agger and Soto, or even Agger and Kelly if we're being really brave.

Art Vandelay · « **Reply #28 on:** September 21, 2010, 06:04:50 pm »

I thought the title said "Is Carragher to slow a hoofer?"

I figured this was some sort of street talk.....possibly about drugs of some kind - "He was seen at a crack den, slowing a hoofer".

Mutton Geoff · « **Reply #29 on:** September 21, 2010, 06:05:45 pm »

pragmatic me thinks it should be agger and skrtel but is he untouchable in the dressing room now?

we need to play carra like we did with sami , on the bench safe experience guy to bring on if we need him!

Tonyh8su · « **Reply #30 on:** September 21, 2010, 06:06:04 pm »

In one word. Yes.

Love him, would die for the shirt but he's past it.

Loo Pan · « **Reply #31 on:** September 21, 2010, 06:15:08 pm »

Buying a centre back to replace him in the first eleven is a priority next summer. I'd still have him in the squad though, if he wants to stay.

rafabenihill · « **Reply #32 on:** September 21, 2010, 06:15:55 pm »

Quote from: geoffstrong on September 21, 2010, 06:05:45 pm

pragmatic me thinks it should be agger and skrtel but is he untouchable in the dressing room now?

we need to play carra like we did with sami , on the bench safe experience guy to bring on if we need him!

yes, agree totally.
remember hyypia was being slagged off for being too slow and given the ran-around by fast forwards..
but he did magnificently when he played less and carragher would benefit with less appearances..

Zelnaga · « **Reply #33 on:** September 21, 2010, 06:18:27 pm »

Hes getting on a bit, and has been for a few years. Still fantastic for us, but im hoping he takes a breather and lets some of the young lads come in.

Zlen · « **Reply #34 on:** September 21, 2010, 06:19:30 pm »

Carragher threads are like soap bubbles.
They don't last long.

Cribertinokes · « **Reply #35 on:** September 21, 2010, 06:19:45 pm »

Embarrassing thread. We all know that Carragher was and still is a great servant to the club, that doesn't need to be talked about. Is he over the hill and nearing the bottom? Yes, we all know this. Does this mean we should slag him off? No it fucking doesn't and anyone who takes an opportunity like this to abuse our own player who's given us so much, is in no uncertain terms, a massive c*nt.

Personally think that this season we'd see more off the Skragger combo in defense but that's not looking too good at the moment.

neilfc6 · « **Reply #36 on:** September 21, 2010, 06:21:08 pm »

everything good must come to an end,
love carra he,s been awesome!
think its time to see if Agger & Skrtel can cut it

rednich85 · « **Reply #37 on:** September 21, 2010, 06:21:37 pm »

Quote from: Tonyh8su on September 21, 2010, 06:06:04 pm

In one word. Yes.

Love him, would die for the shirt but he's past it.

more than one word, that.

ClaireW · « **Reply #38 on:** September 21, 2010, 06:21:56 pm »

This is a disgrace.

Whether you rate him or not, you are talking about one of the longest serving players at the club. He does not deserve a thread like this, particularly as there is already a thread which seems dedicated to slagging him off.

jaffod · « **Reply #39 on:** September 21, 2010, 06:23:40 pm »

Quote from: General Alonso on September 21, 2010, 05:57:30 pm

He's just not good enough. His only decent attibute is shot-blocking in and around the six yard box. Hoofy's organisational and leadership abilities are greatly exaggerated.

It wouldn't be a show without Punch.

I think in an ideal world we would have gradually bedded in an Agger/Skrtel partnership. However, Skrtel has gone backwards at an alarming rate and is a bit of a liability at the moment. Agger, our only footballing CB, isn't fancied by the new manager apparently. But that's another matter entirely.
So we are in a bit of a pickle. Kyrgiakos has never let us down but it would be foolish to start building our defence around him.
Agger is probably the only CB we have who shoukld be an automatic choice, with the other 3 fighting to partner him. Unfortunately that isn't the case.
As to the original question, I think it is clear to see Carra is on the wane a bit, but if I'm honest it is the 2 full-backs who concern me more than anything.