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Re: STAY AWAY CAMPAIGN
« Reply #40 on: September 18, 2010, 04:02:52 pm »
The problem there, unfortunately Dave is "become".  Hicks is already our owner.  I very much doubt that anything put in place by the FA is going to make any difference anyway.

That's the problem people are defeatist. They never went through any scrutiny first time around, what do people we have to loose?

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Re: STAY AWAY CAMPAIGN
« Reply #41 on: September 18, 2010, 04:13:39 pm »
That's the problem people are defeatist. They never went through any scrutiny first time around, what do people we have to loose?

That's not defeatism, that is realism.  What we have to lose is the precious time and effort that we could be using on something else.  To me the target now has to be those US companies rumoured to be forming some form of consortium to allow Tom Hicks to finance. Get onto them. Try and give them cold feet.
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Re: STAY AWAY CAMPAIGN
« Reply #42 on: September 18, 2010, 05:12:25 pm »
The problem there, unfortunately Dave is "become".  Hicks is already our owner.  I very much doubt that anything put in place by the FA is going to make any difference anyway.
The new rules would still allow G&H to become owners.
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Re: STAY AWAY CAMPAIGN
« Reply #43 on: September 18, 2010, 05:13:43 pm »
The new rules would still allow G&H to become owners.

Was what I feared.
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Re: STAY AWAY CAMPAIGN
« Reply #44 on: September 18, 2010, 11:31:27 pm »
A boycott is the best way forward. I don't agree it has to be a 'big' game though...I think it would get the point across well if it was a team like West Ham / Sunderland. Ideally it'd be on TV to make it more appealing for the fans to stay away.

You get a lot of überfans on this site telling people to fire off e-mails to x, y and z, don't buy this, don't do that. Yet I'm willing to bet that the majority of these fans are season ticket holders i.e. they've already given £500 - £700 to the G & H fund. And they're telling me not to buy the official shirt for 40 notes? You couldn't make it up.

The excuse that giving up their season ticket would just let someone else in is also flawed in my opinion. I used to go every game on a ticket by ticket basis. I've also been on the waiting list for a season ticket for the best part of 5 years. I've stopped going the games now and, were I offered a ST, I'd give it a miss. I bet there are a load more like me on that list. Then there will be a load more who, when asked to stump up 600 notes within the next 3-4 weeks for a ST, simple won't have the funds.

If the boycott were well publicised, you'd only need a crowd of 35k or less to make G & H stand up and take notice. Do it twice a season and you'd make more impact than sending a load of e-mails to all the journalists in the land.

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« Reply #45 on: September 18, 2010, 11:37:29 pm »
A boycott is the best way forward. I don't agree it has to be a 'big' game though...I think it would get the point across well if it was a team like West Ham / Sunderland. Ideally it'd be on TV to make it more appealing for the fans to stay away.

You get a lot of überfans on this site telling people to fire off e-mails to x, y and z, don't buy this, don't do that. Yet I'm willing to bet that the majority of these fans are season ticket holders i.e. they've already given £500 - £700 to the G & H fund. And they're telling me not to buy the official shirt for 40 notes? You couldn't make it up.

The excuse that giving up their season ticket would just let someone else in is also flawed in my opinion. I used to go every game on a ticket by ticket basis. I've also been on the waiting list for a season ticket for the best part of 5 years. I've stopped going the games now and, were I offered a ST, I'd give it a miss. I bet there are a load more like me on that list. Then there will be a load more who, when asked to stump up 600 notes within the next 3-4 weeks for a ST, simple won't have the funds.

If the boycott were well publicised, you'd only need a crowd of 35k or less to make G & H stand up and take notice. Do it twice a season and you'd make more impact than sending a load of e-mails to all the journalists in the land.

Its just not enough mate - read the reports tonight, the cancer isn't going anywhere. Picket the stadium, Mass walk outs, Peaceful pitch invasions........we have to take it to the next level or there will be nothing left to fight for.

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« Reply #46 on: September 18, 2010, 11:42:15 pm »
Maybe after dirty bascomb s column people will finally react. It really approaching time to stand up for what we take for granted!

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« Reply #47 on: September 19, 2010, 03:56:32 am »
I'm sad that my decision to stay away this season has been justified. I can see no other course of action which will have as much of an effect, other than to boycott the matches. It's time we all made that sacrifice and gave up going to the match until they're gone. Picket the ground. Get gates down as low as possible for the reminder of their tenure as owners. Don't give them another penny, or another ounce of credence by continuing your active support of the club.

It's all well and good wanting to support the team. That's why we're all here after all. But seriously, if we don't make that sacrifice now, we are in very serious danger of not having a team or a club at all in a few years time.
I agree Rhi. People have to realise now that whatever course of action is taken by the supporters, the impact on the players and the team does not matter. Not one little bit. The players aren't fucking stupid, they know full well what's going on and i'd imagine the amount some of the younger ones are on the net, they wouldn't be in the least bit surprised at a boycott, a picket, whatever. It's not about them, it's not about the new manager, it's not about the old manager, it's not about the formation or how well we play on the pitch or the goals.

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« Reply #48 on: September 19, 2010, 08:59:55 am »
Its sheep we're up against

Just like Capone was finally nailed for tax-evasion, then perhaps Hicks can be prosecuted on a weekly charge of 44,000 accounts of sheep-shaggin'? Trouble is though - the sheep obviously like it.
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Re: STAY AWAY CAMPAIGN
« Reply #49 on: September 19, 2010, 10:45:50 am »
Lads it's the only solution.
It is no solution, and will not work ,for reasons which have been exhaustively covered elsewhere.
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« Reply #50 on: September 19, 2010, 10:52:26 am »
xerxes - it has a better pros







boycott is the only thing to do now. Being hostile in the ground is no good it cant be heard in texas......even 7000 empty seats will get more coverage and that when the ball starts rolling. Arguements about why boycotts wont work are just opinions of people. Everything else has been tried now try boycott.

This should start with the league match and no one go. This would create a stir look at the dicussion the attendance caused in the europa league and think the stir boycotts would do. We should try and not lie down and die..............cos we are dying now make no mistake





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Re: STAY AWAY CAMPAIGN
« Reply #51 on: September 19, 2010, 10:58:47 am »
We need a League match where the ground is half full. Season ticket holders who have paid for their ticket just need to take one on the chin for one week or go in after 30 mins. Many people have already given up their season tickets so sacrifices are already being made.

Personally, I've stopped going along with a number of season ticket holders. Direct action and a boycott of games is  now the only answer, as sad as that is.

We need to show the money men that the supporters group has teeth and can control the fans.

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Re: STAY AWAY CAMPAIGN
« Reply #52 on: September 19, 2010, 11:41:51 am »
xerxes - it has a better pros.
boycott is the only thing to do now. Being hostile in the ground is no good it cant be heard in texas......even 7000 empty seats will get more coverage and that when the ball starts rolling. Arguements about why boycotts wont work are just opinions of people. Everything else has been tried now try boycott.

This should start with the league match and no one go. This would create a stir look at the dicussion the attendance caused in the europa league and think the stir boycotts would do. We should try and not lie down and die..............cos we are dying now make no mistake

Firstly, we are all on the same side, I respect your opinion, I just think you are wrong.

A Matchday Walk-out is the worst of all options. G&H will simply ask "did they pay?". Empty seats do not register in Texas, and a full cash register tells its own story - with the one adavantage we do have "the numbers" ,OUTSIDE of the ground, it's madness.

The insurmountable way that the numbers are stacked against us for a Boycott has been well covered. Ironically a Boycott may leave H&H better off. For the low profile games numbers are going to drop anyway now. But for the big games "refuseniks" who do not spend money in the club shop will be replaced by those occasional supporters that will spend.

Peaceful sit-ins which prevent a game from starting are the only course of action which will have the impact people want.
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Re: STAY AWAY CAMPAIGN
« Reply #53 on: September 19, 2010, 11:47:49 am »
Firstly, we are all on the same side, I respect your opinion, I just think you are wrong.

A Matchday Walk-out is the worst of all options. G&H will simply ask "did they pay?". Empty seats do not register in Texas, and a full cash register tells its own story - with the one adavantage we do have "the numbers" ,OUTSIDE of the ground, it's madness.

The insurmountable way that the numbers are stacked against us for a Boycott has been well covered. Ironically a Boycott may leave H&H better off. For the low profile games numbers are going to drop anyway now. But for the big games "refuseniks" who do not spend money in the club shop will be replaced by those occasional supporters that will spend.

Peaceful sit-ins which prevent a game from starting are the only course of action which will have the impact people want.
I disagree Xerxes. We need to be able to show them that we can directly impact upon their future revenue streams.

That the fans bodies can almost call a strike which will impact upon ticket sales and affect numbers by a significant percentage. It will never be absolute but 25,000 at Anfield for a League game which was foretold in advance would make them sit up. That's about a million pound in lost revenue.

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« Reply #54 on: September 19, 2010, 11:51:29 am »
I've explained to my son who's 9 why we wont be going to anfield until they have gone, he's gutted about it obviously but i cant think about giving money to them , it has got to be the way forward
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« Reply #55 on: September 19, 2010, 01:17:39 pm »
Firstly, we are all on the same side, I respect your opinion, I just think you are wrong.

A Matchday Walk-out is the worst of all options. G&H will simply ask "did they pay?". Empty seats do not register in Texas, and a full cash register tells its own story - with the one adavantage we do have "the numbers" ,OUTSIDE of the ground, it's madness.

The insurmountable way that the numbers are stacked against us for a Boycott has been well covered. Ironically a Boycott may leave H&H better off. For the low profile games numbers are going to drop anyway now. But for the big games "refuseniks" who do not spend money in the club shop will be replaced by those occasional supporters that will spend.

Peaceful sit-ins which prevent a game from starting are the only course of action which will have the impact people want.
Whilst i agree with you that aslong as the money is going into Hicks and Gillett's pockets it can't be truly affective , what you are missing though , and i think it is relevant. If we were to get to a stage where there were enough people willing to engage in a matchday walkout , although it's not perfect , it would be about the message the fans would be sending to the owners , it would show we had the capacity to go further should it be needed , as Bigbear said in his post , it would directly affect their income for the future.

The publicity would also give everyone a shot in the arm for future milestones to be chased in the battle against the owners , and lets face it , many people have gone blue in the face trying to sum up the situation Liverpool find themselves in at the present moment , but many just aren't willing to listen , in all honesty some will never listen , but if this were to happen i have no doubts this would wake up a few that have their head buried in the sand , we need all the numbers we can get , as i say , at the time off a walk out , it would have little affect on the owners , but it would stir alot of others into action , media , fans , and it would hopefully have a domino affect that would eventually topple the owners.
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« Reply #56 on: September 19, 2010, 02:16:54 pm »
I respect both sides of this arguement - but - time is now running out and I have to say now is the time for direct action.  We may never reach a consensus as to what form of organised direct action we should take. 

In this respect maybe, as individuals, we should now all vow to make as many sacrifices as possible.  Millions of small protests can and will equate to a larger protest.  Those who want to boycott games should do so, season ticket holders should now start missimg matches, all merchandise should be boycotted, all petitions signed and all attempts to spread our message and increase the effectiveness of the various campaigns should be increased.  WE ARE NOW AT WAR
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« Reply #57 on: September 19, 2010, 05:02:20 pm »
I think the idea of a megaphone with speakers is a good idea.

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« Reply #58 on: September 19, 2010, 05:24:25 pm »
I think the penny will only drop with some fans when things reach meltdown on the pitch as well as off it. That might not be far away but it could still be too late. There are still too many fans who don't grasp the enormity of the situation. I feel the local media is going to have to stick its neck out for us now. Radio Merseyside have football shows every evening but phone-ins rarely address the financial situation and presenters seem unwilling to discuss the owners.

It's surely in the interests of Radio, Echo etc to help the campaign if they care about the survival of one of the greatest sporting institutions in the world?

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Re: STAY AWAY CAMPAIGN
« Reply #59 on: September 19, 2010, 05:39:47 pm »
Everyone from the stands run onto the pitch if they wont boycott, protest with songs and banners on the pitch, if theres hundreds doing it each game it will be brilliant. If people get banning orders, well they can't go to the game can they? Win win.

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« Reply #60 on: September 19, 2010, 06:49:01 pm »
Think the match boycott is a bit of a lost cause, seeing how H&G react to lost matchday revenue, is by looking at their next best asset, the squad, we've seen it already, and it's just the start, don't think more players won't be sold, if the money isn't there to replay the interest, as well as it being difficult if not highly fractious to organise, as it will only attract police interaction and extremely bad publicity for the city in general.

Personally I see the only way of making a big impression, is by severely disrupting the match on a regular basis, so it's looked into by the media, so that it educates the masses/road-trippers, whether that be by continuously throwing balloons on the pitch or whatever(preferably not pitch invasions, as we the fans will only suffer) though saying that a seasons worth of home games played behind closed doors may just make H&G stand up(though can't see that happening without a lot of bad publicity, frowned upon by the outside onlookers).
Leafletting and continued match disruptions is the only way of getting the attention we crave, so that our message gets across.
How about everytime the refs blow their whistles, a YANKS OUT chant goes around Anfield, while the rest of the game, not a single thing is sung, harsh on the players on the pitch, but at least it's an organised clear message that will be heard, as how many times in a game is the whistle blown, while it also being orchestrated by the referee himself, so no crowd disorder as such.
Or possibly a mass KOP walkout after the first 5 minutes of a home game, while the cameras will pick up the crowd being their when the players come out from the tunnel, they'll also pick up on the fact theirs no-one there for the rest of the game, while it also educates the masses that haven't a clue what's going on, as the KOP being what it is/represents to our club, people will ask questions, want to know why/how a whole stand emptied after a few minutes of a home game.
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« Reply #61 on: September 19, 2010, 08:25:47 pm »
Think the match boycott is a bit of a lost cause, seeing how H&G react to lost matchday revenue, is by looking at their next best asset, the squad, we've seen it already, and it's just the start, don't think more players won't be sold, if the money isn't there to replay the interest, as well as it being difficult if not highly fractious to organise, as it will only attract police interaction and extremely bad publicity for the city in general.

Personally I see the only way of making a big impression, is by severely disrupting the match on a regular basis, so it's looked into by the media, so that it educates the masses/road-trippers, whether that be by continuously throwing balloons on the pitch or whatever(preferably not pitch invasions, as we the fans will only suffer) though saying that a seasons worth of home games played behind closed doors may just make H&G stand up(though can't see that happening without a lot of bad publicity, frowned upon by the outside onlookers).
Leafletting and continued match disruptions is the only way of getting the attention we crave, so that our message gets across.
How about everytime the refs blow their whistles, a YANKS OUT chant goes around Anfield, while the rest of the game, not a single thing is sung, harsh on the players on the pitch, but at least it's an organised clear message that will be heard, as how many times in a game is the whistle blown, while it also being orchestrated by the referee himself, so no crowd disorder as such.
Or possibly a mass KOP walkout after the first 5 minutes of a home game, while the cameras will pick up the crowd being their when the players come out from the tunnel, they'll also pick up on the fact theirs no-one there for the rest of the game, while it also educates the masses that haven't a clue what's going on, as the KOP being what it is/represents to our club, people will ask questions, want to know why/how a whole stand emptied after a few minutes of a home game.


I think you contradict yourself. One minute you're saying a boycott is no good as it will just mean player sales. Then you say games played behind locked gates may make the owners take notice. What's the difference.

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« Reply #62 on: September 19, 2010, 08:30:33 pm »
Whilst i agree with you that aslong as the money is going into Hicks and Gillett's pockets it can't be truly affective , what you are missing though , and i think it is relevant. If we were to get to a stage where there were enough people willing to engage in a matchday walkout , although it's not perfect , it would be about the message the fans would be sending to the owners , it would show we had the capacity to go further should it be needed , as Bigbear said in his post , it would directly affect their income for the future.

The publicity would also give everyone a shot in the arm for future milestones to be chased in the battle against the owners , and lets face it , many people have gone blue in the face trying to sum up the situation Liverpool find themselves in at the present moment , but many just aren't willing to listen , in all honesty some will never listen , but if this were to happen i have no doubts this would wake up a few that have their head buried in the sand , we need all the numbers we can get , as i say , at the time off a walk out , it would have little affect on the owners , but it would stir alot of others into action , media , fans , and it would hopefully have a domino affect that would eventually topple the owners.
I think you're completely right.

To those who want to see sit-in's etc, I have a genuine question: Who do you think will do it? I mean, everyone who'll sit on the pitch etc won't see a football stadium from the inside again in their life!! I think that's the main reason, why in the end when it really matters, the idea will fail.

I think it's better not to show up in certain games, or coming 10 to 20 mins later or so. That'd be a great impact, it'll be noticed by everyone if there's a half full Kop. Of course I know those people already have paid (and that's a big ask, "pay but stay out") but we get attention. I'm also behind the balloon or paper plane ideas. Are there any news about them? Haven't heard about it lately? They are so easy to do
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« Reply #63 on: September 19, 2010, 08:52:22 pm »

I think you contradict yourself. One minute you're saying a boycott is no good as it will just mean player sales. Then you say games played behind locked gates may make the owners take notice. What's the difference.

Difference is, that if it were to get to a stage of playing behind closed doors, players sales would've probably already happened.
Probably sounds like I contradicted myself, as personally I don't believe match day boycotts are the way forward, but it seems as though that is a very distinct possibility, and if that's the case, then I can see it escalating to some sever publicity that may backfire on the fans and not the owners/board, which is, as fans our main goal, and to rid the club of them.

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« Reply #64 on: September 19, 2010, 08:53:14 pm »
Although to late for the Man Utd game now, imagine in a Manc derby and a section of Man Utds support have banners and T-Shirts with Hicks and Gillett out.
A section of Liverpool support with Glazer out banners and Green and Gold Scarves in the Mersey Derby

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I have voices my support for this kind of thing previously but, having not long got back from Old Trafford, I just cant see that happening. The pure hatred between the clubs and the supporters just wouldnt allow it in my opinion.
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« Reply #65 on: September 19, 2010, 10:06:23 pm »
i still maintain that staying away is not the answer, it has to be visible and audible! Direct action! Just staying away crying into ones tea on a match day is a drop in the ocean, black flag, sit ins, we should be jamming the phone lines of every phone in but i really think that if the football side of things goes badly it will take us longer to be sold, a new buyer is not interested in empty stands

I can kind of understand this point. But from my view, there is no way, I'm paying any of my money into the club when it will go to keep Hicks and Gillette here. It's not going to happen.

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« Reply #66 on: September 19, 2010, 11:36:36 pm »
I disagree Xerxes. We need to be able to show them that we can directly impact upon their future revenue streams.

That the fans bodies can almost call a strike which will impact upon ticket sales and affect numbers by a significant percentage. It will never be absolute but 25,000 at Anfield for a League game which was foretold in advance would make them sit up. That's about a million pound in lost revenue.

But the numbers are stacked against us. 26,000 ST holders have paid in advance. 3000 away fans will turn up. A significant percentage of the 4000 Hospitality/Exec seats are paid in advance, if you got a 10% Boycott, 400 it would be a result, that leaves the 11,000 matchday tickets. If half boycottted it would be miraculous, thats 5,500.Add the 400, and that means the best possible result ( which wont happen) reduces ticket sales by 5,900. That is not enough.
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Re: STAY AWAY CAMPAIGN
« Reply #67 on: September 19, 2010, 11:53:10 pm »
But the numbers are stacked against us. 26,000 ST holders have paid in advance. 3000 away fans will turn up. A significant percentage of the 4000 Hospitality/Exec seats are paid in advance, if you got a 10% Boycott, 400 it would be a result, that leaves the 11,000 matchday tickets. If half boycottted it would be miraculous, thats 5,500.Add the 400, and that means the best possible result ( which wont happen) reduces ticket sales by 5,900. That is not enough.

But Liverpool has recently been a club with a massive waiting list for season tickets and also they've had to turn away over 20,000 applications for tickets for every home league game.  Can you not see that this boycott is working? WBA at home, sold out just a few days before the match! That's one match were it's definately not over 20,000 people who will be disappointed they couldn't get tickets.   The Europa League game - 25,000 empty seats! I gather there is an E-Season ticket campaign happening too! Hitting them where it hurts is the only way to shift them. Sitting around saying "this doesn't work" - definately doesn't work!

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Re: STAY AWAY CAMPAIGN
« Reply #68 on: September 20, 2010, 07:25:45 am »
But Liverpool has recently been a club with a massive waiting list for season tickets and also they've had to turn away over 20,000 applications for tickets for every home league game.  Can you not see that this boycott is working? WBA at home, sold out just a few days before the match! That's one match were it's definately not over 20,000 people who will be disappointed they couldn't get tickets.   The Europa League game - 25,000 empty seats! I gather there is an E-Season ticket campaign happening too! Hitting them where it hurts is the only way to shift them. Sitting around saying "this doesn't work" - definately doesn't work!
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Re: STAY AWAY CAMPAIGN
« Reply #69 on: September 20, 2010, 08:19:28 am »
But Liverpool has recently been a club with a massive waiting list for season tickets and also they've had to turn away over 20,000 applications for tickets for every home league game.  Can you not see that this boycott is working? WBA at home, sold out just a few days before the match! That's one match were it's definately not over 20,000 people who will be disappointed they couldn't get tickets.   The Europa League game - 25,000 empty seats! I gather there is an E-Season ticket campaign happening too! Hitting them where it hurts is the only way to shift them. Sitting around saying "this doesn't work" - definately doesn't work!
No, I can't. The Club has abandoned a strategy of a new stadium and taken on one of squeezing the most out of the fanbase - hence £43 to sit on the Kop.

Saying that a Boycott will not be an effective tool for removing G&H is merely a balanced judgement.
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Re: STAY AWAY CAMPAIGN
« Reply #70 on: September 20, 2010, 08:32:01 am »
No, I can't. The Club has abandoned a strategy of a new stadium and taken on one of squeezing the most out of the fanbase - hence £43 to sit on the Kop.

Saying that a Boycott will not be an effective tool for removing G&H is merely a balanced judgement.


When are people going to wake up to the fact that a match boycott is the best way. Talksport mentioned all the empty seats at Anfield at least twice throughout the day. The ginger haired numpty Durham had an hour long discussion about it. Empty seats make people take notice whether they have been paid for or not. Sponsors do not want to see empty stadiums.

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Re: STAY AWAY CAMPAIGN
« Reply #71 on: September 20, 2010, 09:53:21 am »
Many who trot out the theory that a boycott would never work do so on the presumption that we need 100% backing - far from it in fact.

"A boycott has been organised in protest against a hike in visitor ticket prices and 1,500 Dortmund fans have already returned their tickets. Many supporters have been unable to get refunds but still will not travel.

More than 300 different Dortmund supporter groups across Germany are involved in the boycott, which is designed to highlight unease at being asked to pay more than 22 euro (£19) for a standing ticket. Last season, Schalke were charging 13.50 euro for the same match, while Liverpool fans will have to fork out £51 for a ticket at Old Trafford."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/8986321.stm

If a relatively ordinary club (and no disrespect to Dortmund as they aren't obviously as notorious as some other clubs) can mount a reasonable 1500 fans to organise a boycott when there is a marginal hike in the price of a ticket, then wtf is happenning to the mindset of Liverpool fans. This club is in serious trouble and to date no one has stated that an organised boycott will take place. Dortmund do so and it's international news.

For those who trot out the same apathetic excuses and theories regarding boycotts' not working then look to the Dortmund lads who are going to make it work with 1500 on board. So please - stop this nonsense and stick your theories where the sun doesn't shine. The Earth isn't flat btw.

"Blow me fuck face" - so 44,000 get on their knees and meekly oblige. Absolute fxxking disgrace.

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Re: STAY AWAY CAMPAIGN
« Reply #72 on: September 20, 2010, 10:40:36 am »
Many who trot out the theory that a boycott would never work do so on the presumption that we need 100% backing - far from it in fact.
"A boycott has been organised in protest against a hike in visitor ticket prices and 1,500 Dortmund fans have already returned their tickets. Many supporters have been unable to get refunds but still will not travel.

If a relatively ordinary club (and no disrespect to Dortmund as they aren't obviously as notorious as some other clubs) can mount a reasonable 1500 fans to organise a boycott when there is a marginal hike in the price of a ticket,FULL BOYCOTT - it's a decision.

Firstly, Dortmund are no "ordinary club", they are the third best supported club in the world by average attendance.
Secondly, 1500 as a percentage of their average gate if replicated here would equate to a boycott of around 2,200.

The numbers dont work.
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Re: STAY AWAY CAMPAIGN
« Reply #73 on: September 20, 2010, 10:42:12 am »
But the numbers are stacked against us. 26,000 ST holders have paid in advance.

There are 23,000 ST holders, not 26,000. It was documented in the SOS meeting with Ian Ayre in June 09.

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Re: STAY AWAY CAMPAIGN
« Reply #74 on: September 20, 2010, 10:52:02 am »
There are 23,000 ST holders, not 26,000. It was documented in the SOS meeting with Ian Ayre in June 09.

I had understood it to be the higher figure, if lower so be it.

Last year Man U had 55,000 ST holders, some 72% of capacity. At 23,000 that is only 51% of capacity. Why so low? And why would the club turn away guaranteed up front revenue?
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Re: STAY AWAY CAMPAIGN
« Reply #75 on: September 20, 2010, 11:13:15 am »
I had understood it to be the higher figure, if lower so be it.

Last year Man U had 55,000 ST holders, some 72% of capacity. At 23,000 that is only 51% of capacity. Why so low? And why would the club turn away guaranteed up front revenue?

well you can charge more on a game by game basis

there is a constant and steady demand so the numbers remain 'guaranteed'

more day trippers can attend spending more in the process

corporate packages can be increased

oh and then there is the club line that it allows more reds to see their team - when we were talking about a 60,000 stadium Parry was still saying there would be very little uplift in the number of season tickets.

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Re: STAY AWAY CAMPAIGN
« Reply #76 on: September 20, 2010, 11:20:38 am »
well you can charge more on a game by game basis,there is a constant and steady demand so the numbers remain 'guaranteed'more day trippers can attend spending more in the processcorporate packages can be increased
oh and then there is the club line that it allows more reds to see their team - when we were talking about a 60,000 stadium Parry was still saying there would be very little uplift in the number of season tickets.

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Re: STAY AWAY CAMPAIGN
« Reply #77 on: September 20, 2010, 11:42:29 am »
Dortmund Dortmund blah! blah! blah!

Totally different scenario mate.  I've covered it in more detail in the Kein Zwanni thread.  The key thing that helped the Dortmund fans make this a success was the support of their own club who agreed to take returned tickets back and not resell them.  I cannot quite see Liverpool agreeing to do that for a home game. Can you?
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Re: STAY AWAY CAMPAIGN
« Reply #78 on: September 20, 2010, 12:44:01 pm »
Totally different scenario mate.  I've covered it in more detail in the Kein Zwanni thread.  The key thing that helped the Dortmund fans make this a success was the support of their own club who agreed to take returned tickets back and not resell them.  I cannot quite see Liverpool agreeing to do that for a home game. Can you?

Different club obviously mate. But they have taken a decision - a decision to announce a boycott.

I'm still waiting for a decision after over 3 years. ST holders are still obviously quite happy to finance G&H and let others do their fighting. I honestly can't see much difference between an OOT and a ST holder - unless the ST's wake up and get off their arses.
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Re: STAY AWAY CAMPAIGN
« Reply #79 on: September 20, 2010, 01:20:54 pm »
Different club obviously mate. But they have taken a decision - a decision to announce a boycott.
Yes, but they took that decision in the knowledge that with the help of their own club it could work.  Big difference.

I'm still waiting for a decision after over 3 years. ST holders are still obviously quite happy to finance G&H and let others do their fighting. I honestly can't see much difference between an OOT and a ST holder - unless the ST's wake up and get off their arses.

The decision is not the important thing, SoS could have decided to have a boycott three years ago just to please you.  It would have failed horribly.  The important thing here is to campaign to get people to join SoS, to swell their numbers to such an extent that organising a boycott becomes a possibility rather than a pipedream.

As for that bollocks about ST holders, please do fuck off with your lame generalisations.  There are plenty of ST holders who are SoS members and are fighting to get rid of the yanks. What are you expecting them to do?
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