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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #80 on: March 6, 2009, 04:16:39 PM »
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #81 on: March 6, 2009, 04:18:28 PM »
Most satisfying trailer so far. Interesting that Nero says something about Kirk being a great man, but in another life? Hints at alternate time lines, and that planet being destroyed looks suspiciously like Vulcan. Hummmm?!?!? Points to ponder for Trekkie's like me!
It's going to have the Next Generation actors in the film apparently, so it's almost certain to be an alternate reality/timeline type thing.
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #82 on: March 6, 2009, 04:23:12 PM »
It's going to have the Next Generation actors in the film apparently, so it's almost certain to be an alternate reality/timeline type thing.
You mean the old space time continuum chestnut........again 

Though I'll let them off as long as the films shit hot .
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #83 on: March 6, 2009, 04:26:18 PM »
I think's it's basically so they can fiddle with the original characters, the technology in the first series, the original baddies etc.  They probably hope that when all the trekkies moan (and you know they will) about Spock not being exactly Spock or that in the original series they didn't have the technology for that particular dilithium powered thingamajig the makers can just say "alternate timeline...so suck it."
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #84 on: March 6, 2009, 04:31:25 PM »
I think's it's basically so they can fiddle with the original characters, the technology in the first series, the original baddies etc.  They probably hope that when all the trekkies moan (and you know they will) about Spock not being exactly Spock or that in the original series they didn't have the technology for that particular dilithium powered thingamajig the makers can just say "alternate timeline...so suck it."

I've seen lots of whingeing already on some movie sites. Particulary about the Enterprise not being bulit on Earth, it was apparently built in orbit

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #85 on: March 6, 2009, 04:33:06 PM »
I've seen lots of whingeing already on some movie sites. Particulary about the Enterprise not being bulit on Earth, it was apparently built in orbit

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #86 on: March 6, 2009, 04:35:30 PM »
I've seen lots of whingeing already on some movie sites. Particulary about the Enterprise not being bulit on Earth, it was apparently built in orbit

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there are some right bleedin cranks about, you'd think they'd just try and enjoy it!

it is after all just fantasy.....isn't it.
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #87 on: March 6, 2009, 04:37:05 PM »
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Very true. Many of the hardcore Trekkies are moaning the fucking pointy ears off at various things (that said i would have been much happer to see Enterprise built in space :)). Quite a few however have come around to the movie somewhat. My worst nightmare would be for this film to be Transformers in space!!! Its principally been written by the same guys who wrote Transformers. And as any sane movie goer knows, Transformers was a retarded heap of shite.

Personally I'm just delighted to see the franchise get some new blood and a new direction, after Berman almost killed it dead!
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #88 on: March 6, 2009, 04:38:27 PM »
Yeah, fanboys give legitimate geeks a bad name.

I couldn't give a fuck about Trek anyway, never been into it.

And with the talent vacum that is Zachary Quinto I dont hold out much hope for it

Although, there is some bloke I work with called James Kirk...everyone calls him Captain behind his back ;)
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #89 on: March 6, 2009, 04:44:00 PM »
Yeah, fanboys give legitimate geeks a bad name.

I couldn't give a fuck about Trek anyway, never been into it.

And with the talent vacum that is Zachary Quinto I dont hold out much hope for it

Although, there is some bloke I work with called James Kirk...everyone calls him Captain behind his back ;)

I think he's perfect for Spock.

I can't wait for May, with this and Terminator.

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #90 on: March 6, 2009, 04:47:52 PM »
I think he's perfect for Spock.

I can't wait for May, with this and Terminator.

Yeah he looks like him a lot but his acting skills are abysmal
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #91 on: March 6, 2009, 04:49:51 PM »
I can't wait for May, with this and Terminator.

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #92 on: March 6, 2009, 04:53:40 PM »
It's like listening to a bunch of rabbis debating the finer points of the talmud down the synagogue reading a bunch of Trekkies talking about all this.

I just like it as a time-pass kind of thing. Loved the Wrath of Khan when I was a kid.

Although I agree, the old space-time continuum chestnut is boss, even if it is a bit of a 'get out of jail free' card sometimes, you just can't beat the old space-time continuum time loop shit.


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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #93 on: March 6, 2009, 04:59:41 PM »
It's like listening to a bunch of rabbis debating the finer points of the talmud down the synagogue reading a bunch of Trekkies talking about all this.

I just like it as a time-pass kind of thing. Loved the Wrath of Khan when I was a kid.

Although I agree, the old space-time continuum chestnut is boss, even if it is a bit of a 'get out of jail free' card sometimes, you just can't beat the old space-time continuum time loop shit.


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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #94 on: March 6, 2009, 05:00:03 PM »
How the fuck did you do that, Stussy???

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #95 on: March 6, 2009, 05:14:16 PM »
It's going to have the Next Generation actors in the film apparently, so it's almost certain to be an alternate reality/timeline type thing.

I hope they don't pull another 'Holodeck simulation' like they did for Enterprise, total crock of shite.
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #96 on: March 6, 2009, 05:18:34 PM »
How the fuck did you do that, Stussy???
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #97 on: April 7, 2009, 02:12:35 PM »
"My idea was to build Liverpool into a bastion of invincibility. Napoleon had that idea. He wanted to conquer the bloody world. I wanted Liverpool to be untouchable. My idea was to build Liverpool up and up until eventually everyone would have to submit and give in."

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #98 on: April 14, 2009, 11:07:36 PM »
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #99 on: April 15, 2009, 12:16:00 AM »
It's like listening to a bunch of rabbis debating the finer points of the talmud down the synagogue reading a bunch of Trekkies talking about all this.

I just like it as a time-pass kind of thing. Loved the Wrath of Khan when I was a kid.

Although I agree, the old space-time continuum chestnut is boss, even if it is a bit of a 'get out of jail free' card sometimes, you just can't beat the old space-time continuum time loop shit.




Have you just compared one of the major monotheistic religions to Star Trek? Would you care to make a similar comment about Islam?

And that is 'Rabbis' btw.

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #100 on: April 15, 2009, 12:17:49 AM »
This is going to be shit. Lets be honest.

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #101 on: April 15, 2009, 12:27:51 AM »
Have you just compared one of the major monotheistic religions to Star Trek? Would you care to make a similar comment about Islam?

And that is 'Rabbis' btw.

Yeah. You all sound like a bunch of Ayatollahs discussing the finer points of a fatwa or something.

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #102 on: April 15, 2009, 12:38:53 AM »
This is going to be shit. Lets be honest.
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #103 on: April 15, 2009, 12:47:54 AM »
Yeah. You all sound like a bunch of Ayatollahs discussing the finer points of a fatwa or something.

Shalom and Salaam!



I'll let that pass, from one point of view all religions do sound like that. I think this new Star Trek looks...promising.
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #104 on: April 15, 2009, 12:48:30 AM »
Have you just compared one of the major monotheistic religions to Star Trek?

Does 0.22% qualify as major now?

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« Reply #105 on: April 15, 2009, 12:50:29 AM »
Does 0.22% qualify as major now?

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #106 on: April 15, 2009, 12:53:55 AM »
I'll let that pass

Thanks man I was really fretting that you wouldn't.




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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #107 on: April 15, 2009, 01:13:34 AM »
Thanks man I was really fretting that you wouldn't.





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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #108 on: April 15, 2009, 01:15:33 AM »
it's just wrong to be aroused during Star Trek, isn't it?
Im guessing it is yes,and any other time Trekky ;D
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #109 on: April 15, 2009, 02:08:25 AM »
I'm more of a Picard and Data kinda guy.
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« Reply #110 on: April 15, 2009, 07:23:56 AM »
There are a few clips on IMDB that I haven't seen before!

Looking forward to this.
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #111 on: April 15, 2009, 06:45:48 PM »
This is going to be shit. Lets be honest.

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #112 on: April 16, 2009, 12:43:58 PM »
Im guessing it is yes,and any other time Trekky ;D

Many moons ago I lost what seemed like a significant portion of my life having the difference between Trekkies and Trekkers explained. Apparently similar in impact to sci-fi / sf. However, as the conversation took place in a pub, it boosted  my alcohol intake to the point where I was reacquainted with my tea sooner that I planned. Thenceforth my low opinion Star Trek fanatics hardened. In my youth it was a pleasant enough way to fill the schedules at 6pm on BBC2. It was clearly superior to the Buck Rogers / Galactica alternative in that timeslot, even if it was lacking in skin tight lycra. But it does not have any deep and meaningful insight into the human condition. It is just under an hour of fluff - a dream of a brighter future. For any sort of realism it is fundamentally flawed because with very rare exceptions, the casts actions do not have consequences. Picard may have to choose between which planetary population to let die - but he never has to follow through. Data / LaForge / Crusher will provide a technological quick fix. This is a profoundly dangerous message to spread. Look at climate change, there is still a widespread view that the boffins will come up with a magic bullet. But it's not Star Trek, the real world is not like that.

Mind you, if Star Trek did not exist, the US government would have had to create it. (There are numerous rumours about this. Lucille Ball provided the financial muscle to get it made. It is widely believed that she was an NSA operative and the worldwide exposure of "I Love Lucy" was used to communicate with covert operatives worldwide). How else could the government control a significant section of disaffected youth that clearly weren't going to get laid?

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #113 on: April 16, 2009, 03:07:54 PM »
turned down tickets to this tonight, just cant get excited about it.

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #114 on: April 16, 2009, 03:26:42 PM »
From The Times
April 16, 2009

Star Trek boldly goes into the Obama era

Our correspondent hopes that the new Star Trek movie has gone back to its sexy Sixties roots


Mark Simpson

It died a death during the Bush years in 2005, but it’s back. I’m talking of course, about the American Dream. Rebooted. In kinky boots.

The first teasing trailer for the new Star Trek movie in January last year showed glimpses of a shiny new USS Enterprise “under construction”. In the background President Kennedy was famously speechifying about space and Neil Armstrong’s crackly “One small step for Man” was heard. And then came the voice of a much more famous figure: Mr Spock, speaking the immortal, still spine-tingling line: “Space, the final frontier . . .”

As things turned out, a year or so later it wasn’t just the Enterprise that was “under construction”. It wasn’t just the most successful TV and film franchise to date being rebooted — it was also the USA that was hitting the “reset” button. And what is the default setting? That Sixties optimism. They believed in the future back then.

There was always a very close relationship between the American Dream — not to mention American imperialism — and Star Trek, with its liberal, secular, multiracial, technophiliac vision of the future. But the two seem almost to have mind-melded with the election of an optimistic, liberal, multiracial President with a Kenyan father and a white American mother (Star Trek featured the first interracial kiss on US television, sparking protests at the time) — and, who is himself something of a 1960s tribute act, with his JFK and Martin Luther King cadences. Suddenly, with Barack Obama at the helm, America looks like a brand that people can believe in again. Or at least root for at the movies.

Obama has admitted that he was a big fan of the original series. Others have already pointed out that “No Drama Obama” bears some facial, voice-pattern and character similarities with Tuvok, the black Vulcan chief of security in Voyager, the third Trek spin-off TV series, a character who learnt how to master his emotions.

It’s entirely apt then that the Star Trek franchise went into suspended animation in the middle of the Bush presidency — along with the American Dream itself — after the critical and commercial failure of the Next Generation movie Nemesis and the TV prequel series Enterprise. Bush, who probably saw himself as something of a Captain Kirk figure, was certainly inclined to ignore the “prime directive” (of non-interference in alien worlds), not to mention the United Nations/Federation. But instead of the loveable, roguish Kirk, the world, and eventually much of America itself, just saw a cowboy.

What’s remarkable about the Star Trek franchise is how closely each series corresponds to Republican or Democrat presidencies. The original series (1966-69), with its radical optimism and Cold War ethos, maps the Lyndon Johnson Democrat presidency and the “Great Society” (1963-69). The rather more corporate and hygienic Next Generation (1987-94) covers the Reagan-Bush Republican era (1981-93), while the deeply dull but industrious Deep Space Nine (1993-99) and the feminist vehicle Voyager (1995-2001), featuring a female captain (Hillary?), falls into the Clinton Democrat years (1993-2001).

The ill-fated Enterprise series began the same year as the ill-fated Bush presidency, in 2001. It starred Scott Bakula looking eerily like Bush in a flight-suit and even, opportunistically, included a Taleban-like enemy. Now, of course, we have a movie series reboot that corresponds to the beginning of the Obama presidency — however long either franchise lasts, we can probably expect their fates to be closely related.

There is perhaps another reason why Star Trek has gone back to the original Sixties series: to get back in touch with Kirk’s massive, tight-trousered mojo. Although disliked by Gene Rodenberry, Star Trek’s creator, for hijacking his rather sexless, sweatless vision of the future and for taking his shirt off and wrestling with rubber aliens too much, William Shatner, stressing words and syllables that mere mortals might think had no importance, pausing painfully . . . in the middle of sentences . . . while-rushing-over-their-conclusions, somehow conveyed something credibly human. Even Shatner’s soft-focus vanity is sympathetic.

The tasteful, restrained, slightly bourgeois seriousness of Jean-Luc Picard (Patrick Stewart) in The Next Generation and Captain Janeway (Kate Mulgrew) in Voyager were absurd by comparison. The original Star Trek was very . . . pointy. As well as Shatner’s urgent libido, there were the fabulous pointy boots (low-risers for the men, knee-length ones for the mini-skirted ladies), pointy sideburns, pointy breasts, pointy ears, pointy federation logos, pointy lettering in the credits, and also the pointedly pointy mission statement: “To boldly go where no man has gone before,” which of course was bluntly desexed in The Next Generation to “where no one has been before”.

The new movie is gratifyingly pointy. The kinky boots are back, as are the form-hugging uniforms and miniskirts — though now they look like fashionable sportswear. The cast is so pretty, male and female, that there’s enough metrosexual tension to power the warp drive. Back too are the brightly Utopian colours of the original series’ sets and costume design. The Enterprise handles like a Sixties sports car.

Kirk himself, of course, is back. But not Shatner, who isn’t allowed on board, even for a cameo, perhaps because the director, J. J. Abrams, wants to make sure that his Kirk, played by Chris Pine, is not going to be overshadowed by Shatner’s intergalactic manhood/ego. Whatever the reason, Pine’s Kirk is a Daniel Craig moment, a reminder of the startling sexiness of a franchise that had become lifeless and effete.

Back also, and very much in the foreground, is what Abrams has quite rightly suggested is the friendship/love affair without which Star Trek really makes no sense: Kirk and Spock. Here Spock is played by Zachary Quinto, and we finally learn how they met at Starfleet Academy and overcame fierce rivalry to become the most famous male “marriage” in pop culture.

There is, however, nothing terribly pointy-headed in this reboot: no cerebrals, no reflecting on where the American Dream might have gone wrong — just the enhanced, sexed-up aesthetics of hope. But while great effects, pecs and kinky boots might not be enough to solve the American Dream’s problems, they’re probably enough to be getting on with.

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #115 on: April 16, 2009, 11:20:45 PM »
It was good. I just saw it at the Empire Leicester Square in London.

I'm not a Trekkie (was partial to Next Generation growing up mind) and this reboot is action packed, sleek
and peppered with plenty of humour and references for the fans. Zachary Quinto as Spock is spot on and Uhura is well: ding dong.


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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #116 on: April 16, 2009, 11:30:10 PM »
It was good. I just saw it at the Empire Leicester Square in London.

I'm not a Trekkie (was partial to Next Generation growing up mind) and this reboot is action packed, sleek
and peppered with plenty of humour and references for the fans. Zachary Quinto as Spock is spot on and Uhura is well: ding dong.



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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #117 on: April 16, 2009, 11:34:45 PM »
why didn't ye just download it like the rest of us?                                                 :P



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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #118 on: April 17, 2009, 12:00:40 AM »
Many moons ago I lost what seemed like a significant portion of my life having the difference between Trekkies and Trekkers explained. Apparently similar in impact to sci-fi / sf. However, as the conversation took place in a pub, it boosted  my alcohol intake to the point where I was reacquainted with my tea sooner that I planned. Thenceforth my low opinion Star Trek fanatics hardened. In my youth it was a pleasant enough way to fill the schedules at 6pm on BBC2. It was clearly superior to the Buck Rogers / Galactica alternative in that timeslot, even if it was lacking in skin tight lycra. But it does not have any deep and meaningful insight into the human condition. It is just under an hour of fluff - a dream of a brighter future. For any sort of realism it is fundamentally flawed because with very rare exceptions, the casts actions do not have consequences. Picard may have to choose between which planetary population to let die - but he never has to follow through. Data / LaForge / Crusher will provide a technological quick fix. This is a profoundly dangerous message to spread. Look at climate change, there is still a widespread view that the boffins will come up with a magic bullet. But it's not Star Trek, the real world is not like that.

Mind you, if Star Trek did not exist, the US government would have had to create it. (There are numerous rumours about this. Lucille Ball provided the financial muscle to get it made. It is widely believed that she was an NSA operative and the worldwide exposure of "I Love Lucy" was used to communicate with covert operatives worldwide). How else could the government control a significant section of disaffected youth that clearly weren't going to get laid?

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #119 on: May 5, 2009, 11:39:32 AM »
Im going to see this. Sadly none of my mates are as sad as me so looks like i am going it alone - unless i can pursuade my girlfriend to come (she's not keen!). Yes thats right, im considering going to see Star Trek and i have a girlfriend!
It's awfully considerate of you to think of me here/ and i'm most obliged to you for making it clear/ that i'm not here