Topic: The RAWK Investment/Trading Thread

[.adam]

To too am a firm believer of the view that most fund managers and investment managers fail to beat the market.

For this reason, I'm invested in low cost 'all market' ETFs or mutual funds. I've previously mentioned the FTSE Global All Cap fund which my pension is invested in.

I'm currently in a fee free robo-investor for my S&S ISA but when that fee-free period ends, I'll move it into Vanguard into ETFs. might do this with a bit of a bias towards the US given that their stocks have dominated for ~20 years now.

That said, I've taken a couple of speculative punts on THG and FB recently as both are in the doldrums (THG more so than FB!) and I suspect both businesses to be perfectly fine and will bounce back, making me a few squid in the process.

[Max_powers]

FTSE Global All cap has about 60% of the cap towards US stocks, which is plenty I think.

It varies from country to country but in Canada where I am from, it lets tax-efficient to hold foreign stocks and ETFs listed outside Canada.

I go with about

~30% Canadian market ETFs

45% US market ETFs

25% Global market ETFs (split evenly between emerging and developed markets)

So more of a home country bias than a US bias.

[Rhi]

No more crypto stuff please. Thanks.

[El Denzel Pepito]

No more crypto stuff please. Thanks.

Rhi, I don't invest in crypto myself, but I'm genuinely wondering why this is?

EDIT: Ok, just seen the feedback forum. Fair enough but I do disagree for what it's worth (diddly squat). I mentioned a company earlier called Hyzon in one of my earlier posts saying people should take a look as it has a lot of promise. They recently went down 40% because of a false short-seller report. I don't see how that's different to a crypto coin being discussed here and then going down in value? Everyone's ultimately responsible for their own investment decisions. If a post on RAWK gets you to put your life savings on a shitcoin or a company going down like Debenhams, that's on you.

Just my two cents but whatever.

[Alan_X]

Rhi, I don't invest in crypto myself, but I'm genuinely wondering why this is?

EDIT: Ok, just seen the feedback forum. Fair enough but I do disagree for what it's worth (diddly squat). I mentioned a company earlier called Hyzon in one of my earlier posts saying people should take a look as it has a lot of promise. They recently went down 40% because of a false short-seller report. I don't see how that's different to a crypto coin being discussed here and then going down in value? Everyone's ultimately responsible for their own investment decisions. If a post on RAWK gets you to put your life savings on a shitcoin or a company going down like Debenhams, that's on you.

Just my two cents but whatever.

That's more of a reason to bin this thread completely.

[Alan_X]

Just starting to get into looking at a portfolio and finding learning interesting. I am midway through T Robins book unshakable which Iam enjoying.

What are you guys interested in at the moment, would love some name that i can watch for a while and research myself.

The only peron to get rich from Tony Robbins advice is Tony Robbins. He's a snake-oil saleman specialising in charismatic bullshit. Free advice - if you're taken in by his spiel you're probably better off not dabbling in financial speculation.

[Barneylfc∗]

So one or two people don't like crypto, so no one else is allowed to talk about crypto? Sound.

[LiamG]

No more crypto stuff please. Thanks.

How come?

[El Lobo]

Bingo. If people want to dabble in it, that's their choice. We don't want it to be because of something they've seen on RAWK.

[G1 Jockey 4(betfair)]

That should apply to all forms of investment then.
Especially the dangerous ones like gambling.

[G1 Jockey 4(betfair)]

If evergrande causes another subprime...does that then count as a problem to discuss?
By the reasoning used , rawk makes itself look stasi like.

btw where is the ban i asked for?

[Elmo!]

If evergrande causes another subprime...does that then count as a problem to discuss?
By the reasoning used , rawk makes itself look stasi like.

btw where is the ban i asked for?

It's a private forum, there is no free speech here, the mods can do what they like.

I'm sure we could discuss Evergrande, because it's not about pushing crypto.

[surfer. Fuck you generator.]

So one or two people don't like crypto, so no one else is allowed to talk about crypto? Sound.

It's an issue of control.  You deal with people's hard earned money you deal with blood. Good quality equities,  bonds etc, you deal with an underlying that is rooted in reality,  if you' re good enough you can track and predict the instrument's moves,  make your decisions off solid work.

That is not the case for crypto,  at this time. Whatever way you phrase it,  none of you here understand the underlying inside out,  you speculate,  you hope,  you rely on luck.  That's not good enough.  Great if you get lucky,  always happy to see people make money above empty talk,  but if you want to get others involved, and you care about them,   there must be a methodology, control. 

 It's a great decision from the mods to ban the talk.  You're not short of places to speculate on crypto on the net.

[surfer. Fuck you generator.]

If evergrande causes another subprime...does that then count as a problem to discuss?
By the reasoning used , rawk makes itself look stasi like.

btw where is the ban i asked for?

Of course evergrande's a great issue to discuss.

If you didn't know a single thing about crypto,  and you're just an observant fella looking at the posts of those who push it,  get a read on their character,  calmness,  that alone should get your back up.  Jeez.

[Red-Soldier]

You can fill ya boots with premium bonds though 

[El Lobo]

If evergrande causes another subprime...does that then count as a problem to discuss?
By the reasoning used , rawk makes itself look stasi like.

btw where is the ban i asked for?

Stasi?

I'd guess there is probably the ban you're looking for.

Not to speak for the mods but fucking hell....grow up. If they've made a collective decision that crypto currency isn't to be discussed, then its not to be discussed. Absolutely embarrassing to throw your toys out of the pram, delete all your posts, ask to have you account deleted and then come back the next day whinging anyway.

[G1 Jockey 4(betfair)]

Stasi?

I'd guess there is probably the ban you're looking for.

Not to speak for the mods but fucking hell....grow up. If they've made a collective decision that crypto currency isn't to be discussed, then its not to be discussed. Absolutely embarrassing to throw your toys out of the pram, delete all your posts, ask to have you account deleted and then come back the next day whinging anyway.

Of course.
Have principles...freedom of speech etc.
If you are gonna ban talk of crypto then the same should apply to other forms of investments....
as for the dig about toys out of the pram...i think you should grow the fuck up.

[G1 Jockey 4(betfair)]

You can fill ya boots with premium bonds though 

As yes ...thats fine..
The government scam.

[G1 Jockey 4(betfair)]

Of course evergrande's a great issue to discuss.

If you didn't know a single thing about crypto,  and you're just an observant fella looking at the posts of those who push it,  get a read on their character,  calmness,  that alone should get your back up.  Jeez.

People will find out reardless...they could go to twitter but we know they may as well go to the moon like most of them twats...why not find out with some advice from those who know the pitfalls within the investment thread.
investments have pitfalls...look at subprime.

[El Denzel Pepito]

It's an issue of control.  You deal with people's hard earned money you deal with blood. Good quality equities,  bonds etc, you deal with an underlying that is rooted in reality,  if you' re good enough you can track and predict the instrument's moves,  make your decisions off solid work.

That is not the case for crypto,  at this time. Whatever way you phrase it,  none of you here understand the underlying inside out,  you speculate,  you hope,  you rely on luck.  That's not good enough.  Great if you get lucky,  always happy to see people make money above empty talk,  but if you want to get others involved, and you care about them,   there must be a methodology, control. 

 It's a great decision from the mods to ban the talk.  You're not short of places to speculate on crypto on the net.

Relying on luck is exactly what gambling/betting is. In that case, why are the betting threads open? Not just open, but with a whole board dedicated to it. I know most of the threads in there are prediction leagues but the actual sport betting threads are all relying on luck and dealing with money. There is about the same amount of methodology and control over the outcome as there is with crypto. You can do all the fundamentals and DD with stocks and ultimately you still have no control and your methodology can mean fuck all if there are external factors that affect the market. Investing in EV based on the amount of funding etc going towards it seems like an increasingly good bet today. But had the investment bill not passed this month, a lot of companies' valuations would have fallen. What if the president after Biden is another Trump-lite who puts a halt to all 'eco-projects' and their funding?

I've never posted about crypto myself but I was enjoying reading some of the posts which were a lot more informative than 'just bought XYZ and it's gone up 50% so everyone should buy it too'. There is underlying tech and uses associated with each token and it was good to be educated about some of that by posters I recognised from other threads and know who generally have a level head. I rather hear about this stuff from the likes of Craig on here than 'CRYPTO2THEMOONYOLO' on Twitter.

Again, just my two cents on it. RAWK is allowed to have its rules and this will be the last i chime in on it, but it does seem a bit weird to say no crypto talk allowed but people in the betting threads can say stuff to the equivalent of 'reckon Minamino comes off the bench and scores a hat-trick against Arsenal because he assisted for Japan over the international break and he scored against Arsenal in the Community Shield. Great odds as well 80/1, put a nice sum on it"

[El Lobo]

Of course.
Have principles...freedom of speech etc.
If you are gonna ban talk of crypto then the same should apply to other forms of investments....
as for the dig about toys out of the pram...i think you should grow the fuck up.

Freedom of speech disappears somewhat on a private forum. Much like when people start making libellous claims and the threads get locked.

but it does seem a bit weird to say no crypto talk allowed but people in the betting threads can say stuff to the equivalent of 'reckon Minamino comes off the bench and scores a hat-trick against Arsenal because he assisted for Japan over the international break and he scored against Arsenal in the Community Shield. Great odds as well 80/1, put a nice sum on it"

I was enjoying the crypto talk too, purely because its interesting and its in the news. But come on, you know full well that's not the same. There's so many scams and misinformation about around crypto and I'd imagine they'd rather do away with the discussion than have someone losing serious money through something they read on RAWK. And actually, I'm pretty sure I've read before that there's been frequent talk about doing away with the gambling forum anyway for the same reason, but at least that's something we all know something about.

[surfer. Fuck you generator.]

Don't frequent the betting / gambling threads myself (other than during the World cup haha) but the crypto talk probably belongs alongside that section,  certainly not in here imo.  Even there,  I still see a lot more substance in say someone who has a certain level of background in any sport to know what he's looking at,  has analysed the coach,  team and opponents when placing his bets versus what I see of the crypto talk,  even those who comment on the tech rather than the monetary aspect.

[Joff]

As yes ...thats fine..
The government scam.

The fuckers scammed another £125 into my account this month

[Elmo!]

I would agree that if crypto talk was allowed anywhere, it certainly would be the betting forum.

Aside from anything else, when it is allowed it tends to take over everywhere. You see it on Reddit where threads on just about anything has crypto bros proclaiming crypto is the answer to everything.

[scatman]

No more crypto stuff please. Thanks.

cool, your forum, your rules.

The only peron to get rich from Tony Robbins advice is Tony Robbins. He's a snake-oil saleman specialising in charismatic bullshit. Free advice - if you're taken in by his spiel you're probably better off not dabbling in financial speculation.

agreed and this goes for all of them.

It's an issue of control.  You deal with people's hard earned money you deal with blood. Good quality equities,  bonds etc, you deal with an underlying that is rooted in reality,  if you' re good enough you can track and predict the instrument's moves,  make your decisions off solid work.

That is not the case for crypto,  at this time. Whatever way you phrase it,  none of you here understand the underlying inside out,  you speculate,  you hope,  you rely on luck.  That's not good enough.  Great if you get lucky,  always happy to see people make money above empty talk,  but if you want to get others involved, and you care about them,   there must be a methodology, control. 

 It's a great decision from the mods to ban the talk.  You're not short of places to speculate on crypto on the net.

as with your comments on Newcastle and the Saudis, i'll respectfully say you don't know what the fuck you're on about. I'm still convinced you're a Newcastle fan with the way you supported their takeover

[G1 Jockey 4(betfair)]

The fuckers scammed another £125 into my account this month

Id suggest learning how the money system works before thinking you won lol

[G1 Jockey 4(betfair)]

Freedom of speech disappears somewhat on a private forum. Much like when people start making libellous claims and the threads get locked.

I was enjoying the crypto talk too, purely because its interesting and its in the news. But come on, you know full well that's not the same. There's so many scams and misinformation about around crypto and I'd imagine they'd rather do away with the discussion than have someone losing serious money through something they read on RAWK. And actually, I'm pretty sure I've read before that there's been frequent talk about doing away with the gambling forum anyway for the same reason, but at least that's something we all know something about.

That is why i politely asked to be banned....hence your toys out the pram comments were childish.

I saw censorship on one subject but other more dangerous ones allowed to be discussed....

and some of the excuses after are just as weak..

Bankers would be proud of banning crypto talk...

[surfer. Fuck you generator.]

as with your comments on Newcastle and the Saudis, i'll respectfully say you don't know what the fuck you're on about. I'm still convinced you're a Newcastle fan with the way you supported their takeover

Great.  Now I can give a nice little demo of the kind of low quality dregs that attach themselves to this.

I posted this about Mohammed bin Salman on April 3, 2018:

The reporter seems a fairly sharp guy. He's laid out the info and the questions in such a way that the reader gets a pretty good insight into Mohammed through the prince's own words. Keep the interviewee soft for the next job without explicitly calling him a c*nt.

Anyway think I've bored people with my take on this guy. He's a spoiled c*nt, but no different to the thousands before him that get spoiled and grow up delusional. You could take apart practically every answer, anyway this: Yes I have a 500 million yacht, absolute monarchies are great, no problem.... is enough. Christ.

Same ridiculous hyprocrisy you've come to expect from this level of person, Trump like: it takes the same cheek trump regularly exhibits to be highlighting facebook and twitter when the Saudi literati themselves will unreservedly admit this guy is the most repressive monarch they've had in modern times when it comes to liberal thought, open criticism in the kingdom. That takes some doing to achieve that status this quickly.

The bit from the interview that he refers to, that should cause the most fear and doubt among those new to this region, which is practically universal among dictators is - our means to an end differ from yours, that's all. He's got all the traits of a delusional spoilt brat with Hitler aspirations, he's just got a much shinier cloak over it than Trump.

Khashoggi was murdered on Oct 2, 2018.

I had commented aplenty about MBS before that.

You didn't do one bit of research and just posted anyway.  Scatman is the kind of garbage that leads this crypto wave.

Sorry for the thread hijack.

[surfer. Fuck you generator.]

By the way,  didn't you claim to work in a bank / finance where the old guys wouldn't adopt blockchain tech.

Drop me a pm.  If its legit,  you'll know who I am.  If not,  that sort of lie will rightly carry consequences.

[El Lobo]

That is why i politely asked to be banned....hence your toys out the pram comments were childish.

I saw censorship on one subject but other more dangerous ones allowed to be discussed....

and some of the excuses after are just as weak..

Bankers would be proud of banning crypto talk...

I think you're reading far deeper into it than you need to. It seems its much closer to it just not being deemed worth the time to moderate any talk about it, so its easier to just 'censor' it.

[tubby]

Drop me a pm.  If its legit,  you'll know who I am.  If not,  that sort of lie will rightly carry consequences.

This is the most exciting thing I've ever read on RAWK.

[Elmo!]

That is why i politely asked to be banned....hence your toys out the pram comments were childish.

I saw censorship on one subject but other more dangerous ones allowed to be discussed....

and some of the excuses after are just as weak..

Bankers would be proud of banning crypto talk...

I hope for your sake you're not as overinvested in crypto in a literal sense as you seem to be overinvested in it mentally.

[Joff]

Id suggest learning how the money system works before thinking you won lol

😂😂😂 ok mate

You've already told me I should have invested £20k in some crypto scam instead of PB. No doubt I was an idiot to do so

Why don't you carry out your childish flounce off like you promised?

[G1 Jockey 4(betfair)]

😂😂😂 ok mate

You've already told me I should have invested £20k in some crypto scam instead of PB. No doubt I was an idiot to do so

Why don't you carry out your childish flounce off like you promised?

think you have an issue working out what is childish.

for starters the payouts on premium bonds will be at or below inflation...and it is a way to keep money in the uk.
But it generates zero tax.
so when they have to print money , at some point your stash will get devalued.

just pointing out what lots are learning now about the money system as its an area where people dint really give a fuck about.
so your 125 winnings...from a 20k investment...your choice to have a think if you did the right thing...and if it makes you feel happy , chuck in the childish for that little ego pump..or you could talk sensibly about it?

[G1 Jockey 4(betfair)]

I hope for your sake you're not as overinvested in crypto in a literal sense as you seem to be overinvested in it mentally.

what gives you that opinion?
My resentment of hypocrisy?

[rawcusk8]

Just my humble opinion but if a poster on here went out and bought some crypto on the back of what someone had posted then they’re the ones that need banning. I mean you just have to take a look at the half time and post match threads when we don’t win to realise this place is full of lunatics, who in their right mind take financial advice from RAWK?
Disclaimer: This is not financial advice nor is it a post intended to offend

[G1 Jockey 4(betfair)]

Just my humble opinion but if a poster on here went out and bought some crypto on the back of what someone had posted then they’re the ones that need banning. I mean you just have to take a look at the half time and post match threads when we don’t win to realise this place is full of lunatics, who in their right mind take financial advice from RAWK?
Disclaimer: This is not financial advice nor is it a post intended to offend

I stay well clear of those now...learnt my lesson years ago.
Too many can't take a different opinion to their own...start throwing insults about.
They are madder than the moonies on twitter.

[Buck Pete]

Just my humble opinion but if a poster on here went out and bought some crypto on the back of what someone had posted then they’re the ones that need banning. I mean you just have to take a look at the half time and post match threads when we don’t win to realise this place is full of lunatics, who in their right mind take financial advice from RAWK?
Disclaimer: This is not financial advice nor is it a post intended to offend

Think your right here mate.  More chance of me following a horse racing tip in the racing thread.  And I do dabble in a bit of crypto.

My Crypto holding is the drug dealers coin of choice. (not that I am one of those guys like)

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(XMR)

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[G1 Jockey 4(betfair)]

I think you're reading far deeper into it than you need to. It seems its much closer to it just not being deemed worth the time to moderate any talk about it, so its easier to just 'censor' it.

so the reasons are changing...

btw i take it SoS won't be pushing for a say in the club via Chiliz?
I like some of the ideas involved and i think in the long term it could help the push towards fans ownership..just my take.

[El Lobo]

so the reasons are changing...

btw i take it SoS won't be pushing for a say in the club via Chiliz?
I like some of the ideas involved and i think in the long term it could help the push towards fans ownership..just my take.

You've literally been told not to discuss crypto currency, thrown a hissy fit, said that was it for you on RAWK, and now a few hours later you're just back on it like nothing happened

It'll just get locked again, which would be annoying for the people who are interested in investments that aren't shitcoins.