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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54120 on: November 9, 2019, 10:16:44 PM »
Hope so, hes shite.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54121 on: November 10, 2019, 02:29:12 AM »
I say give it Henry till the end of the season.
Seriously? They may get relegated
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« Reply #54122 on: November 10, 2019, 02:43:37 AM »
After Wenger, Emery was an underwhelming appointment. Added to the fact that the playing squad that they have currently are nowhere near good enough to compete with the best in the Premier League. Recruitment has been mediocre at best. Signing players whose best days were behind them was never a good sign. Letting go players for next to nothing who later proved you wrong eg Gnabry is even worse

Arsenal is not in a good place right now and in danger of drifting further. Rafa would be good for them. Otherwise I would keep Emery until the end of the season and then bring in Simeone in the summer. They truly need a top manager/head coach to right the ship. Having said that ... not that I mind a weak Arsenal
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54123 on: November 10, 2019, 03:05:17 AM »
Deserve all this shit and more for the pathetic way they treated their greatest ever manager.
We won't make any big signings this season and we will go back to being a top4 club.

After every second place finish we failed to capitalise and this year ain't looking much different.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54124 on: November 10, 2019, 05:35:29 AM »
Seriously? They may get relegated

Obviously I'm just joking mate. Henry is shite.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54125 on: November 10, 2019, 11:32:45 AM »
Ornstein saying they won't sack Emery and want to give him until the summer

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54126 on: November 10, 2019, 11:43:03 AM »
After Wenger, Emery was an underwhelming appointment. Added to the fact that the playing squad that they have currently are nowhere near good enough to compete with the best in the Premier League. Recruitment has been mediocre at best. Signing players whose best days were behind them was never a good sign. Letting go players for next to nothing who later proved you wrong eg Gnabry is even worse

Arsenal is not in a good place right now and in danger of drifting further. Rafa would be good for them. Otherwise I would keep Emery until the end of the season and then bring in Simeone in the summer. They truly need a top manager/head coach to right the ship. Having said that ... not that I mind a weak Arsenal

You can understand the thinking, and at the time there was an element of it making sense.  The issue with Wenger was always the playing structure on the pitch was disjointed and seen as a laissez-faire 'just get on with it and express yourself' style of play - something which was sometimes majestic and often very frustrating to watch. 

Emery's intention was to galvanize a spirit to fight more in games and last season we saw much of that starting to appear, even if it made for uninspiring football - but this season he's had one calamity after another - starting the season with no fit full backs, not playing Ozil and now Xhaka makes it seem his lack of top level English is causing issues with understanding amongst the club and fans - plus he's just not that charismatic to carry the defeats and turn them into a learning point for the team to improve from.  We all saw Neymar undermining him at PSG and it seems he's taken that as a 'career defining' moment where he's over-reacting against players who disagree with his approach - unfortunately when you're talking hundreds of thousands of wage capacity used on players who aren't even playing - he's on a hiding to nothing.


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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54127 on: November 10, 2019, 11:45:46 AM »
Hey if he can make Newcastle into a decent defensive unit I am sure he would be good at Arsenal until he can get some decent defenders. Especially with their attacking line up
I don't think the Arsenal owners want someone with a track record for public clashes with owners.

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« Reply #54128 on: November 10, 2019, 11:48:07 AM »
Ornstein saying they won't sack Emery and want to give him until the summer

Wouldn't surprise me, in many ways Emery has the players he just needs to get them pulling in the right direction.  Defensively.. where to start? The team has been shocking for years and he needs to sort this out first and foremost, Leno is top of the league in saves made as the defence and midfield are often cut through far too easily - a problem for probably a decade at Arsenal.  I actually think Rodgers wouldn't be a great fit as he seemed to struggle with the defensive side of correcting Liverpool, but with Leicester they've always had that defensive rigidity and team spirit to run from the front - at Arsenal there seems to be a sense of inertia and lethargy which doesn't capture interest as much as it used to. 

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54129 on: November 10, 2019, 11:54:07 AM »
Wouldn't surprise me, in many ways Emery has the players he just needs to get them pulling in the right direction.  Defensively.. where to start? The team has been shocking for years and he needs to sort this out first and foremost, Leno is top of the league in saves made as the defence and midfield are often cut through far too easily - a problem for probably a decade at Arsenal.  I actually think Rodgers wouldn't be a great fit as he seemed to struggle with the defensive side of correcting Liverpool, but with Leicester they've always had that defensive rigidity and team spirit to run from the front - at Arsenal there seems to be a sense of inertia and lethargy which doesn't capture interest as much as it used to.

Rodgers won't work with a DOF, if Arsenal have decided this is how they want to develop they need someone who has experience of working with one. You only have to look at Rodgers time with us to realise he is a manager who wants to do everything. Arsenal first have to decide exactly how they intend to set the club up and that to me is still somewhat up in the air. Once they do that, then you search for a manager who fits inside that organisation.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54130 on: November 10, 2019, 12:08:53 PM »
Wouldn't surprise me, in many ways Emery has the players he just needs to get them pulling in the right direction.  Defensively.. where to start? The team has been shocking for years and he needs to sort this out first and foremost, Leno is top of the league in saves made as the defence and midfield are often cut through far too easily - a problem for probably a decade at Arsenal.  I actually think Rodgers wouldn't be a great fit as he seemed to struggle with the defensive side of correcting Liverpool, but with Leicester they've always had that defensive rigidity and team spirit to run from the front - at Arsenal there seems to be a sense of inertia and lethargy which doesn't capture interest as much as it used to. 

That's a fair point about Rodgers and the DOF is one too jill. I'd like to think he's grown as a coach since he left Liverpool (although how much in a one team league is up for debate) and he's not as naive as he sometimes was when he was here.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54131 on: November 10, 2019, 12:15:13 PM »
That's a fair point about Rodgers and the DOF is one too jill. I'd like to think he's grown as a coach since he left Liverpool (although how much in a one team league is up for debate) and he's not as naive as he sometimes was when he was here.

The thing about Rodgers is he is a great coach and that is what he should concentrate on doing. The time when a manager did everything is fast disappearing anyway football is too full on now. I hope he has learnt from his past mistakes as then he go on and do an even better job. But I noticed he was having a pop at FSG after the game and there is no need for that. He's at a decent club just get on with it and don't harp on about the past.
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« Reply #54132 on: November 10, 2019, 12:19:05 PM »
The thing about Rodgers is he is a great coach and that is what he should concentrate on doing. The time when a manager did everything is fast disappearing anyway football is too full on now. I hope he has learnt from his past mistakes as then he go on and do an even better job. But I noticed he was having a pop at FSG after the game and there is no need for that. He's at a decent club just get on with it and don't harp on about the past.

What was he saying about FSG?
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54134 on: November 10, 2019, 12:33:13 PM »
Any manager that came in to replace Wenger was on a hiding to nothing. While things stagnated badly towards the end of Wenger’s time, he was Arsenals most successful and long serving manager and fans had come to expect success that a new manager would struggle to deliver with what he inherited.

Emery has not helped himself though, his signings have mostly been poor, his coaching and man management do not seem to be improving the team. After half a season, Emery should have worked out if he wanted to play or bin Ozul. However, the player is still at Arsenal becoming a £350k per week, seldom playing Sword of Damocles for the manager. Should he go? perhaps. However, Arsenal would be wise to learn from M** U and not appoint a fan favourite as a caretaker.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54136 on: November 10, 2019, 12:41:08 PM »
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/brendan-rodgers-aims-transfer-dig-20852577?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54137 on: November 10, 2019, 12:44:19 PM »
I’d argue that Rogers inherited a better squad than Emery. He’s had less time to buy poor players too.
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« Reply #54138 on: November 10, 2019, 12:54:35 PM »
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/brendan-rodgers-aims-transfer-dig-20852577?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar


Yeah, no surprise he's defending his record here. But there was an obvious disconnect between him and the owners towards the end of his time here. A little too soon to be talking about his defence at Leicester though, like Ashburton said, he did inherit a solid defence and yeah, our defending wasn't particularly great when he was here.
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« Reply #54139 on: November 10, 2019, 12:58:41 PM »
I think we’ve all seen this trick before

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54140 on: November 10, 2019, 01:02:14 PM »
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/brendan-rodgers-aims-transfer-dig-20852577?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

Meh, don’t care. Thankfully everything that happened with Rodgers happened to lead us to a far better, more suitable manager. Might also be worth pointing out that it’s hard to see the likes of VVD and Alisson turning down Man City and Real Madrid respectively to play under Rodgers.
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« Reply #54141 on: November 10, 2019, 01:02:44 PM »
I’d argue that Rogers inherited a better squad than Emery. He’s had less time to buy poor players too.

That's the acid test for me as far as Brendan is concerned, has he learnt from past mistakes?
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« Reply #54142 on: November 10, 2019, 01:04:57 PM »
He wanted to sign Ashley Williams... the club said no....

I'd forgotten about that one.   :o
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« Reply #54143 on: November 10, 2019, 01:07:06 PM »
Yeah, no surprise he's defending his record here. But there was an obvious disconnect between him and the owners towards the end of his time here. A little too soon to be talking about his defence at Leicester though, like Ashburton said, he did inherit a solid defence and yeah, our defending wasn't particularly great when he was here.

Him using his defensive record in Scotland also seems a little desperate too, it is not like they were regularly challenged by anyone.

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« Reply #54144 on: November 10, 2019, 02:55:34 PM »
He wanted to sign Ashley Williams... the club said no....

But now he has Jonny Evans...
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« Reply #54145 on: November 10, 2019, 03:01:11 PM »
It's a dig that shows Brendan is still a fragile ego and that is one of his weaknesses as a manager.

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« Reply #54146 on: November 10, 2019, 03:45:44 PM »
I’d argue that Rogers inherited a better squad than Emery. He’s had less time to buy poor players too.

I'd agree with that. It's certainly got much more balance and structure to it than the squad Emery inherited.

Player wise, I actually don't think Arsenal are far away now from having a decent team, under the right coach. We've a good pair of full backs in Bellerin and Tierney, and some good options up front. There's guys in midfield like Guendouzi and Torriera that are decent options in midfield. We've also got what looks like a very good prospect in Saliba coming in next summer for centre back. We just need to add some pace and power in vital areas and add more defensive nous. Of course, we seem to be having the same conversation for a decade though.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54147 on: November 10, 2019, 03:55:31 PM »
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« Reply #54148 on: November 10, 2019, 07:16:05 PM »
Leno and the fullbacks are decent. If a manager was able
to rid Luiz of the infuriating parts of his game, Arsenal
would have a decent defence. Aubameyang is really good, but the wrong side of 30.
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« Reply #54149 on: November 10, 2019, 08:05:08 PM »
Leno and the fullbacks are decent. If a manager was able
to rid Luiz of the infuriating parts of his game, Arsenal
would have a decent defence. Aubameyang is really good, but the wrong side of 30.

I don't think that is
How Haikus work normally
But your point is true

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« Reply #54150 on: November 10, 2019, 08:08:20 PM »
I don't think that is
How Haikus work normally
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« Reply #54152 on: November 10, 2019, 10:25:33 PM »
Deserve all this shit and more for the pathetic way they treated their greatest ever manager.

Well said, how they treated Wenger towards the end was a discrace
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« Reply #54153 on: November 10, 2019, 11:47:02 PM »
That was the summer the recruitment team wanted that Van Dijk from Celtic and Brendan turned it down
That’s the summer he wanted Ashley Williams
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« Reply #54154 on: November 11, 2019, 07:39:26 AM »
I'd forgotten about that one.   :o

Didn't he want to sell Agger to fund a move for some 19 year old from Swansea
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« Reply #54155 on: November 11, 2019, 11:22:00 AM »
Ornstein's piece for The Athletic has an interesting tidbit re: Aubameyang. Arsenal have taken issue with his relationship with AFTV. He's been asked to stop engaging with Troopz, who he invites to his executive box. Team mates and staff are also unhappy with Aubameyang liking contentious AFTV material, although some admit what he's done is smart, because it makes him immune to criticism. Unsurprisingly, many at the club think AFTV has led to the increase in criticisms towards certain players and an upsurge in negativity

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« Reply #54156 on: November 11, 2019, 11:57:24 AM »
Ornstein's piece for The Athletic has an interesting tidbit re: Aubameyang. Arsenal have taken issue with his relationship with AFTV. He's been asked to stop engaging with Troopz, who he invites to his executive box. Team mates and staff are also unhappy with Aubameyang liking contentious AFTV material, although some admit what he's done is smart, because it makes him immune to criticism. Unsurprisingly, many at the club think AFTV has led to the increase in criticisms towards certain players and an upsurge in negativity

Doesn't need AFTV for that. Turn on Sky Sports or BT Sports and you'll see guys like Xhaka & Mustafi get a pasting from the analysts on there. Not sure what AFTV adds that these guys haven't already said.

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« Reply #54157 on: November 11, 2019, 12:41:18 PM »
Ornstein's piece for The Athletic has an interesting tidbit re: Aubameyang. Arsenal have taken issue with his relationship with AFTV. He's been asked to stop engaging with Troopz, who he invites to his executive box. Team mates and staff are also unhappy with Aubameyang liking contentious AFTV material, although some admit what he's done is smart, because it makes him immune to criticism. Unsurprisingly, many at the club think AFTV has led to the increase in criticisms towards certain players and an upsurge in negativity
he shouldn’t be liking some of it but troopz to be fair calls him out when he’s had a shit game (did at the weekend), surprised they haven’t stopped Robbie doing the videos outside the ground and generally make his life more difficult (or just ban him and the likes of troopz and DT)

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« Reply #54158 on: November 11, 2019, 12:51:44 PM »
Doesn't need AFTV for that. Turn on Sky Sports or BT Sports and you'll see guys like Xhaka & Mustafi get a pasting from the analysts on there. Not sure what AFTV adds that these guys haven't already said.

AFTV are a whole differfent level though, they seem to set the standard for these fan tv channels, and that's not a compliment, so I can't blame Arsenal's hiarachy for maybe getting mad at the whole thing. 

There's a reason that fans from other teams openly state on forums, twitter, FB or wherever that they can't wait for AFTV after an Arsenal game, it's huge.

It doesn't help a team with troubles one bit, but those who own and run AFTV of course don't care, as it's making them a lot of money.

I can't stand the by comparison mild LFC version, the Arsenal version is an out of control monster, and it does have a baring on the atmosphere around the club. 
Football always seems the most important of the least important things.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54159 on: November 11, 2019, 02:16:13 PM »
Yeah, quite straightforward on how this can affect team spirit. A player who's close with a very vocal and well-known fan channel who traffics in negative criticism or at least have the rep of doing so is made captain. And you've players like Bellerin who've expressed their dislike for them.