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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54000 on: November 4, 2019, 12:11:36 PM »
Looks as though Arsenal fans are desperate to be in the race for most delusional fan base in the league. They're six points off 4th. What did they expect? Give Emery the season and then sack him if you don't secure Champions League football.

Please bring in Mourinho though. He'll have about 1/4 of what he had to spend at United and he'll absolutely go down in flames and bring the club down with him trying to get these back to where they think they belong.
I might be  only one on here who rates mourinho but honestly I can't see him making them any worse defensively. They have enough quality going forwards to continue scoring goals. Have we forgotten that he made that utd lot finish 2nd? (A lot of the transfers mind you were negotiated with sponsorships in mind).

He also did well with Inter and Porto on relatively low budgets.  I wouldn't want to see him at the Arse.


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« Reply #54001 on: November 4, 2019, 01:51:40 PM »
The teams doing well right now all have a solid structure in place, a plan. I said before Wenger left that he seemed to be heavily involved in everything there, and they needed to break up his responsibilities and hire a few people to take over before switching managers, but it seems like they've just continued on the same but with a manager who can't fill that gap. If they do replace Emery I can see them struggling regardless of who they bring in, the mancs have a ton of money behind them but maureen failed there because they have the same problem.

On another note, can we call Pepe shit yet or is it still too early?

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« Reply #54002 on: November 4, 2019, 01:55:05 PM »
The teams doing well right now all have a solid structure in place, a plan. I said before Wenger left that he seemed to be heavily involved in everything there, and they needed to break up his responsibilities and hire a few people to take over before switching managers, but it seems like they've just continued on the same but with a manager who can't fill that gap. If they do replace Emery I can see them struggling regardless of who they bring in, the mancs have a ton of money behind them but maureen failed there because they have the same problem.

On another note, can we call Pepe shit yet or is it still too early?

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54003 on: November 4, 2019, 03:14:50 PM »
On another note, can we call Pepe shit yet or is it still too early?

You never know how a player will eventually turn out of course but usually you see a player who'll go on to be great and think yeah they have something, even if they are missing goals etc......with Pepe you just kinda think headless chicken

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54006 on: November 4, 2019, 04:48:01 PM »
Looks as though Arsenal fans are desperate to be in the race for most delusional fan base in the league. They're six points off 4th. What did they expect? Give Emery the season and then sack him if you don't secure Champions League football.

Please bring in Mourinho though. He'll have about 1/4 of what he had to spend at United and he'll absolutely go down in flames and bring the club down with him trying to get these back to where they think they belong.

6 points of 4th? You say that is if that's a good thing. We're 6 points off of a Chelsea team that sold their best player and are in a transfer ban, and Leicester. Plus, it's likely to be 9 points by the end of the weekend.

It's not just about position in the table just now, it's about poor performance after poor performance, its about not addressing any of the weaknesses, its about not being to hold onto leads, it's about being poor away form still, about not giving away 30 shots a game to th elikes of Watford, Palace & Wolves, it's about strange team selections and even stranger substitutions.

18 months in and the performances aren't getting better, they are getting worse. Here's a good question, when was the last time you can think of where you seen us play and thought we actually played well? I reckon you have to go back to March, possibly February.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54007 on: November 4, 2019, 04:50:52 PM »
Last time I can remember you playing well completely was against us at your ground last season.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54008 on: November 4, 2019, 09:31:28 PM »
Why is their Europa League game on Wednesday with a 3.50pm kick off?

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« Reply #54009 on: November 4, 2019, 09:35:31 PM »
Why is their Europa League game on Wednesday with a 3.50pm kick off?
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« Reply #54010 on: November 4, 2019, 09:40:53 PM »
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« Reply #54011 on: November 4, 2019, 09:52:06 PM »
Last time I can remember you playing well completely was against us at your ground last season.

Might possibly be. Burnley away, last game of the season in a dead rubber for Burnley, was the only game since the very start of April we've won a league game by more than a single goal.

Why is their Europa League game on Wednesday with a 3.50pm kick off?

Apparently because Braga are playing Beşiktaş on the Thursday night and it's only 25 miles away.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54012 on: November 4, 2019, 09:55:35 PM »
Why is their Europa League game on Wednesday with a 3.50pm kick off?

Maybe cos Guimarães and Braga are both playing in the Europa at home this week, the clubs are only about 20 miles away from each other.

Not sure why the schedulers didn't notice that when making the fixtures though  :P
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« Reply #54013 on: November 5, 2019, 05:09:01 PM »
I might be  only one on here who rates mourinho but honestly I can't see him making them any worse defensively. They have enough quality going forwards to continue scoring goals. Have we forgotten that he made that utd lot finish 2nd? (A lot of the transfers mind you were negotiated with sponsorships in mind).

He also did well with Inter and Porto on relatively low budgets.  I wouldn't want to see him at the Arse.

Didn't Inter spend loads of money on typical Mourinho short-term signings while he was there and they only became a relatively low budget club after that?

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54014 on: November 5, 2019, 07:54:23 PM »
Xhaka stripped of the captaincy. Who were the other four again?

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« Reply #54015 on: November 5, 2019, 07:55:56 PM »
Xhaka stripped of the captaincy. Who were the other four again?
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« Reply #54016 on: November 6, 2019, 12:06:42 AM »
Didn't Inter spend loads of money on typical Mourinho short-term signings while he was there and they only became a relatively low budget club after that?
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« Reply #54017 on: November 6, 2019, 01:07:29 AM »
Have any Arsenal supporter groups or anything reached out and apologised to Xhaka?

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« Reply #54018 on: November 6, 2019, 11:17:48 AM »
Have any Arsenal supporter groups or anything reached out and apologised to Xhaka?

Not 100% sure the supporter groups should be apologising to him for the abuse if they didn't give it - but it would make a compelling message if supporter groups condemned personal attacks on social media, especially on player partners and kids.  At the end of the day the vast, vast majority of fans realise football is a fun hobby to follow - but some seem to be mentally deranged and can't understand how sending threats of physical violence is absolutely the wrong thing to do.

Believe if I was a player with kids I wouldn't allow them social media for that reason, it just takes a handful of morons to cause an issue despite a fanbase in the tens of millions.

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« Reply #54019 on: November 6, 2019, 11:20:08 AM »
Times reporting Xhaka likely to go in January. No surprise there.

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« Reply #54020 on: November 6, 2019, 11:22:54 AM »
Times reporting Xhaka likely to go in January. No surprise there.
They're one of the most toxic fanbases around at the moment, Xhaka is probably the tip of the iceberg, Auba, Lacazette could comfortably move to competitive teams in Germany, Italy or Spain, Arsenal are a cesspit right now, poorly run, uncompetitive and impatient fans, if I was a top player I'd be thinking of jumping ship.
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« Reply #54021 on: November 6, 2019, 11:31:42 AM »
Not 100% sure the supporter groups should be apologising to him for the abuse if they didn't give it - but it would make a compelling message if supporter groups condemned personal attacks on social media, especially on player partners and kids.  At the end of the day the vast, vast majority of fans realise football is a fun hobby to follow - but some seem to be mentally deranged and can't understand how sending threats of physical violence is absolutely the wrong thing to do.

Believe if I was a player with kids I wouldn't allow them social media for that reason, it just takes a handful of morons to cause an issue despite a fanbase in the tens of millions.

What do you resident Gooners think the reaction would be/would have been like for a Xhaka return?  As captain or otherwise.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54022 on: November 6, 2019, 11:42:36 AM »
They're one of the most toxic fanbases around at the moment, Xhaka is probably the tip of the iceberg, Auba, Lacazette could comfortably move to competitive teams in Germany, Italy or Spain, Arsenal are a cesspit right now, poorly run, uncompetitive and impatient fans, if I was a top player I'd be thinking of jumping ship.

So the fans fuck over the captain who was so popular in the dressing room the players voted him captain...yeah I'm sure alllll those players love those fans now. Like you say, I can see more than a few moving on soon

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« Reply #54023 on: November 6, 2019, 02:10:26 PM »
What do you resident Gooners think the reaction would be/would have been like for a Xhaka return?  As captain or otherwise.

It's never really been about Xhaka.  Sure, people would get on his back, because he is one of Wenger's signings which totally different fit Wenger's system (highly technical possession game) and looked totally at sea under his management.  Under Emery he's seen as a bit of a clogger, scores a worldie now and again, but overall puts in a lot of effort but doesn't have the skillset to excel in his role.  In some ways how many fans used to treat Henderson under Rodgers before he kicked it up a gear and became more reliable. 

Now that Arsenal have a bit of a sustained 'wobble' the fans concern about Emery not improving the team is coming to a boiling point amongst some of the fanbase, bearing in mind this is a fanbase which had about four years of being sick of capitulations before Emery arrived in the first place.  Xhaka wasn't especially guilty in that he didn't play especially poorly (it was a tactical sub), but he's certainly not lived up to his price tag or billing - he should have taken the abuse, called it out on social media, told the fans doing it that it was a tactical sub and his commitment to the club won't change and he'll always put 100% in on the pitch - this would have strengthened his hand. 

Instead he goes and abuses the fans by telling them to 'fuck off', refuses to apologise for that online and seemingly isn't trusted by the manager.  It's unfortunate because at this point he's probably better on the pitch than on it, I have to expect he's going to come back to the first XI as his passing is useful in opening up the lines - but Emery is rapidly running out of road in his handling of the Ozil and Xhaka situations - and expect him to be replaced either mid season or at the end of the year.

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« Reply #54024 on: November 6, 2019, 02:17:12 PM »
It's never really been about Xhaka.  Sure, people would get on his back, because he is one of Wenger's signings which totally different fit Wenger's system (highly technical possession game) and looked totally at sea under his management.  Under Emery he's seen as a bit of a clogger, scores a worldie now and again, but overall puts in a lot of effort but doesn't have the skillset to excel in his role.  In some ways how many fans used to treat Henderson under Rodgers before he kicked it up a gear and became more reliable. 

Now that Arsenal have a bit of a sustained 'wobble' the fans concern about Emery not improving the team is coming to a boiling point amongst some of the fanbase, bearing in mind this is a fanbase which had about four years of being sick of capitulations before Emery arrived in the first place.  Xhaka wasn't especially guilty in that he didn't play especially poorly (it was a tactical sub), but he's certainly not lived up to his price tag or billing - he should have taken the abuse, called it out on social media, told the fans doing it that it was a tactical sub and his commitment to the club won't change and he'll always put 100% in on the pitch - this would have strengthened his hand. 

Instead he goes and abuses the fans by telling them to 'fuck off', refuses to apologise for that online and seemingly isn't trusted by the manager.  It's unfortunate because at this point he's probably better on the pitch than on it, I have to expect he's going to come back to the first XI as his passing is useful in opening up the lines - but Emery is rapidly running out of road in his handling of the Ozil and Xhaka situations - and expect him to be replaced either mid season or at the end of the year.

It may not have been smart by Xhaka, but he was entirely justified to tell the fans booing him to go forth and multiply. They are the guilty party here and he doesn't need to apologise. Why should he take it? If my clients booed/insulted me whilst doing my job I'd tell them where to go as well. Saying he abused the fans is laughable.

The only reason that it isn't smart is because its not good for his career; nothing to do with the right and wrongs of the situation.
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« Reply #54025 on: November 6, 2019, 02:32:23 PM »
Him not apologising was the one right decision made in this whole shitshow!

Dreadful fan-base, who need to take a long hard look at their own behaviour first and foremost.
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« Reply #54026 on: November 6, 2019, 02:37:57 PM »

Thanks for the insight.

Him not apologising was the one right decision made in this whole shitshow!

Dreadful fan-base, who need to take a long hard look at their own behaviour first and foremost.

Inclined to agree with this.  It was an emotional reaction that I wouldn't have recommended, but I don't think his later response was unreasonable at all.

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« Reply #54027 on: November 6, 2019, 03:06:11 PM »
Dont know how true it is, but Aubameyang has rejected a new deal, but they've made him club captain?  :o

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54028 on: November 6, 2019, 03:34:31 PM »
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« Reply #54029 on: November 6, 2019, 03:38:00 PM »
What the fuck are these Thursday night wankers doing on the telly on a Wednesday?

Tuesdays & Wednesdays are reserved for European royalty, and city, and Chelsea, and Spurs, fuck off ;D

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« Reply #54030 on: November 6, 2019, 03:51:38 PM »
What the fuck are these Thursday night wankers doing on the telly on a Wednesday?

Tuesdays & Wednesdays are reserved for European royalty, and city, and Chelsea, and Spurs, fuck off ;D

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« Reply #54031 on: November 6, 2019, 04:02:41 PM »
What the fuck are these Thursday night wankers doing on the telly on a Wednesday?

Tuesdays & Wednesdays are reserved for European royalty, and city, and Chelsea, and Spurs, fuck off ;D

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« Reply #54032 on: November 6, 2019, 04:08:01 PM »
How have Arsenal started? the -1 asian handicap @ 3/1 persuaded me to back them today  ;D

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« Reply #54033 on: November 6, 2019, 04:23:38 PM »
When you think about the way Aubameyang treated Dortmund when he was captain their, it’s just ridiculous to make him captain.

Xhaka has been very badly treated
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« Reply #54034 on: November 6, 2019, 04:29:47 PM »
When you think about the way Aubameyang treated Dortmund when he was captain their, it’s just ridiculous to make him captain.

Xhaka has been very badly treated

Auba was never captain of Dortmund, beyond maybe a couple games, Schmelzer, Reus and Sokratis where all ahead of him, so if none of them played, he would have been next choice!

He really isn't classic captain material I don't think, which I suppose shows how little leadership Arsenal have at the moment.
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« Reply #54035 on: November 6, 2019, 04:37:30 PM »
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« Reply #54036 on: November 6, 2019, 04:39:59 PM »
It may not have been smart by Xhaka, but he was entirely justified to tell the fans booing him to go forth and multiply. They are the guilty party here and he doesn't need to apologise. Why should he take it? If my clients booed/insulted me whilst doing my job I'd tell them where to go as well. Saying he abused the fans is laughable.

The only reason that it isn't smart is because its not good for his career; nothing to do with the right and wrongs of the situation.


Because quite simply, 'the fans' are not a single person - whereas Xhaka is.  Again, you are right in a vacuum, but this is football and I do agree he was justified to be frustrated and tell the fans to fuck off.  But looking bigger picture here, you can't punish 'a fanbase' - even if you're talking about 0.01% who is actually doing this sort of thing.  Sure, you can start removing fans from the ground for booing people, but then you start banning users online who abuse them, why not remove comments who are negative too?  At the end of the day reacting against the fans rarely goes well for a player, even if it's the right choice in the moment to say 'I don't deserve this moment'.

In many ways it is a lot like tailgating the person who cuts you up and sticking your fingers up for them to see in the mirror.  Sure, they're in the wrong - your actions are justified, right?  But you're still acting the idiot.

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« Reply #54037 on: November 6, 2019, 04:41:04 PM »
Auba was never captain of Dortmund, beyond maybe a couple games, Schmelzer, Reus and Sokratis where all ahead of him, so if none of them played, he would have been next choice!

He really isn't classic captain material I don't think, which I suppose shows how little leadership Arsenal have at the moment.

Surprised they didn't give it to Leno, he's been playing well and has been kept far busier than he should be.  I'd much prefer Auba focused on scoring goals and nothing else.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54038 on: November 6, 2019, 04:45:28 PM »
Surprised they didn't give it to Leno, he's been playing well and has been kept far busier than he should be.  I'd much prefer Auba focused on scoring goals and nothing else.

Leno's a good shout actully. He captained Leverkusen a fair bit too.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54039 on: November 6, 2019, 04:59:31 PM »

Because quite simply, 'the fans' are not a single person - whereas Xhaka is.  Again, you are right in a vacuum, but this is football and I do agree he was justified to be frustrated and tell the fans to fuck off.  But looking bigger picture here, you can't punish 'a fanbase' - even if you're talking about 0.01% who is actually doing this sort of thing.  Sure, you can start removing fans from the ground for booing people, but then you start banning users online who abuse them, why not remove comments who are negative too?  At the end of the day reacting against the fans rarely goes well for a player, even if it's the right choice in the moment to say 'I don't deserve this moment'.

In many ways it is a lot like tailgating the person who cuts you up and sticking your fingers up for them to see in the mirror.  Sure, they're in the wrong - your actions are justified, right?  But you're still acting the idiot.

No-one is talking about punishments. Just that if fans boo their own players they can expect to be told to fuck off and quite rightly. And the fans shouldn't expect an apology. As for the fans being multiple people - his comment was only directed at the ones booing him.
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