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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Artettacking Front Four?
« Reply #54960 on: February 2, 2020, 07:55:29 PM »
A serious Arsenal fan on 606 reckons they will win the Title next season. Savage ripping into him and taking the piss, this fan really is deadly serious!

It's probably the same guy that phoned up after we lost at Anfield that was saying we were going to win the league this season.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Artettacking Front Four?
« Reply #54961 on: February 2, 2020, 08:08:51 PM »
It's probably the same guy that phoned up after we lost at Anfield that was saying we were going to win the league this season.

Yes that's the fella, he admitted that prediction was a bit naive, but next season it's in the bag! He got a bit annoyed in the end saying 606 only have him on to make a joke of him, with outlandish predictions like that, he's  a bit of a sitting target!
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Artettacking Front Four?
« Reply #54962 on: February 2, 2020, 09:03:14 PM »
From what I can gather arteta is asking the right things to happen but doesn't have the fitness base in the players. A proper transfer window and preseason needs to happen before there is much point in judging him.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Artettacking Front Four?
« Reply #54963 on: February 2, 2020, 09:28:12 PM »
I'm Impressed with arteta, he's making the right decisions with the players at his disposal. The league season is a write off but I see us trying to play to a plan for the first time in 3 years, and even our rubbish players are actually putting the effort in.
I'm prepared to give him time, I hope he gets some backing, I think he's got potential as a manager, and city seen to be missing him too.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Artettacking Front Four?
« Reply #54964 on: February 2, 2020, 09:30:49 PM »
From what I can gather arteta is asking the right things to happen but doesn't have the fitness base in the players. A proper transfer window and preseason needs to happen before there is much point in judging him.

Exactly. Fitness base & some of the personnel. There's only so much of a pressing game you can do with the likes of Xhaka & Ozil in the team. Xhaka had to go to left back today, the middle of defence was Mustafi & Luiz! He's a football manager, not a miracle worker lol.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Artettacking Front Four?
« Reply #54965 on: February 2, 2020, 10:37:41 PM »
Not sure how much city are missing him, but any cause for dropped points from them makes me happier right now.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Artettacking Front Four?
« Reply #54966 on: February 3, 2020, 03:37:06 AM »
I'm Impressed with arteta, he's making the right decisions with the players at his disposal. The league season is a write off but I see us trying to play to a plan for the first time in 3 years, and even our rubbish players are actually putting the effort in.
I'm prepared to give him time, I hope he gets some backing, I think he's got potential as a manager, and city seen to be missing him too.

Think the backing eill be key for Arteta. There's definitely an improvement in work rate in the squad which has resulted in a much more defensively stable unit. But the squad still doesn't have the quality in it to still provide enough of a threat going forward with this more solid set-up.

There's two ways Arsenal can go about it really. Either they invest in defenders that can defend in a much more expansive system or they invest in midfielders and attackers that can provide a bigger threat with this much more solid system.

It's a big summer for Arteta where he needs to start making big changes to his squad. If the board don't allow him to do what's needed, then he's frankly wasting his time.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Artettacking Front Four?
« Reply #54967 on: February 3, 2020, 04:02:45 AM »
We win it this year and the clock starts ticking on them next. 16 years since they won the league
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Artettacking Front Four?
« Reply #54968 on: February 3, 2020, 05:45:34 AM »
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Artettacking Front Four?
« Reply #54969 on: February 3, 2020, 08:37:46 AM »
Think the backing eill be key for Arteta. There's definitely an improvement in work rate in the squad which has resulted in a much more defensively stable unit. But the squad still doesn't have the quality in it to still provide enough of a threat going forward with this more solid set-up.

There's two ways Arsenal can go about it really. Either they invest in defenders that can defend in a much more expansive system or they invest in midfielders and attackers that can provide a bigger threat with this much more solid system.

It's a big summer for Arteta where he needs to start making big changes to his squad. If the board don't allow him to do what's needed, then he's frankly wasting his time.

I think we lost a bit of our attacking game yesterday with having to put Xhaka at left back. It's a bit of a freak time with Tierney, Kolasniac & then Saka all out injured. On top of that we need to have a look at how Mari settles (1 of his main attributes seemingly was the ability to play & organise a high line), & also Saliba to come in the summer. If Mari settles well, we might not need to go out & buy defenders in the summer. If he doesn't, then we'll likely need to go out & strengthen that area again.

The midfield & forward line need a bit of work. There's a lot of things up in the air there. Will Auba & Laca to a lesser extent renew, & do we actually want them to? Can we find someone to take Ozil & get a suitable replacement? Are Xhaka & Torriera staying, & how does Arteta see them going forward? Does Arteta trust Pepe?
I just hope they are brave in their decisions, & sentiment etc doesn't play a part in their decision making.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Artettacking Front Four?
« Reply #54970 on: February 3, 2020, 11:21:19 AM »
For some reason I forced myself to sit through Burnley and Arsenal yesterday, and it went exactly as I expected it to go. As in I expected Burnley to get something from the game and probably be the closest to snatching the victory. I feel bad for some of our resident gooners on here because they're sound. I don't know, they'll have to tell me but this surely has to be the worst Arsenal side in a good 30 odd years if not more. I look around and I see absolute dross in the likes of Sokratis, Mustafi, Luiz, Xhaka. Then just complete averageness from Guendouzi, Torreira, Saka and a few others. And of course someone completely not arsed in Ozil. Arteta has a hell of a job on his hands because this Arsenal side is genuinely a massive rebuild away from being able to compete for a Champions League place and then actually compete with the sides in the Champions League once they get there.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Artettacking Front Four?
« Reply #54971 on: February 4, 2020, 09:00:52 AM »
Chances for the title are officially over for them now, because they can't even mathematically finish above us.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Artettacking Front Four?
« Reply #54972 on: February 4, 2020, 09:06:56 AM »
He's won 1 of 7 league games in charge.  Lol.

But honestly will be interested in what he does next season.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Artettacking Front Four?
« Reply #54973 on: February 4, 2020, 09:22:09 AM »
He's won 1 of 7 league games in charge.  Lol.

But honestly will be interested in what he does next season.

They've only won 6 games so far and we're in February
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Artettacking Front Four?
« Reply #54974 on: February 4, 2020, 11:01:56 AM »
They've only won 6 games so far and we're in February

I noticed this last night! That's extraordinarily bad. And to think they were one of the best teams if not the best team in my youth.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Artettacking Front Four?
« Reply #54975 on: February 4, 2020, 11:13:18 AM »
It's probably the same guy that phoned up after we lost at Anfield that was saying we were going to win the league this season.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Artettacking Front Four?
« Reply #54976 on: February 4, 2020, 12:31:05 PM »
For some reason I forced myself to sit through Burnley and Arsenal yesterday, and it went exactly as I expected it to go. As in I expected Burnley to get something from the game and probably be the closest to snatching the victory. I feel bad for some of our resident gooners on here because they're sound. I don't know, they'll have to tell me but this surely has to be the worst Arsenal side in a good 30 odd years if not more. I look around and I see absolute dross in the likes of Sokratis, Mustafi, Luiz, Xhaka. Then just complete averageness from Guendouzi, Torreira, Saka and a few others. And of course someone completely not arsed in Ozil. Arteta has a hell of a job on his hands because this Arsenal side is genuinely a massive rebuild away from being able to compete for a Champions League place and then actually compete with the sides in the Champions League once they get there.

It's not a great squad of players by now, that's for sure. I'm sure given time Arteta will be able to at least improve things. It's nonsense to make any bold claims like he's the 2nd coming of Pep or anything ridiculous like that, or that he'll have us challenging beside you guys next season, because that's just mental thinking, but on the other hand i don't think anyone can make any bold predictions that he's going to need to build a full new team, or it will be years before we can compete for a top 4 place again.

Folk forget we were only 1 point off top 4 last year, & apart from some Emery madness towards the end of the season we really should have secured 3rd, if not 4th. We've changed a few players, but none that you would think were irreplaceable.
We need to get players back fit, we need a full pre season under Arteta, we need a bit of a reboot in the summer, & we need to go again. There's positivity around, not because of results, but because we can see glimmers of structure & organisation. You can see a plan, even though a lot of the time the players aren't fit enough, or good enough to implement it. I hope the manager gets time & a bit of backing to see where he can take us.

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« Reply #54977 on: February 4, 2020, 02:19:54 PM »
I’m a bit on the fence about the purported rebuilds that teams need to undergo - Arsenal and Chelsea specifically. It doesn’t take a huge amount to move the needle because there is a decent enough chance the leading pack will not get everything right also. Once a manager has time to imprint ideas then you have a new ballgame.

Next season I’d expect arsenal to be 10x more fit at a minimum. Also only target defenders this summer. The midfield and attack is ok enough.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Artettacking Front Four?
« Reply #54978 on: February 17, 2020, 09:40:11 AM »
We're going to be Liverpools main challengers for the league next year!  ;)

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« Reply #54979 on: February 17, 2020, 10:24:45 AM »
We're going to be Liverpools main challengers for the league next year!  ;)

That sounds better than fighting Manchester United for 9th place. Good luck to you.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Artettacking Front Four?
« Reply #54980 on: February 17, 2020, 01:06:44 PM »
We're going to be Liverpools main challengers for the league next year!  ;)

Yeh I can easily see us finishing within 40 points of Liverpool next season, they’ll be shitting it.

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« Reply #54981 on: February 17, 2020, 01:37:46 PM »
Yeh I can easily see us finishing within 40 points of Liverpool next season, they’ll be shitting it.

Listen, when we buy top players like Danny Blind, Pape Gueye & Ryan Fraser to go with what we have, we'll flying!  ;D

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« Reply #54982 on: February 17, 2020, 04:34:20 PM »
Well, congrats at staying up :scarf

The Arsenal relegation battle was interesting while it lasted...

Joking aside, it's a bit insane to think that given their season has been that they still have a realistic go at the Champions League and have only lost six games so far!

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Artettacking Front Four?
« Reply #54983 on: February 17, 2020, 04:47:23 PM »
Well, congrats at staying up :scarf

The Arsenal relegation battle was interesting while it lasted...

Joking aside, it's a bit insane to think that given their season has been that they still have a realistic go at the Champions League and have only lost six games so far!

We've lost the same amount of games as Man City & Leicester, 2 less than Chelsea.

Unfortunately, we've won the same amount as Palace, Bournemouth & Villa.  :butt

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« Reply #54984 on: February 24, 2020, 06:38:03 AM »
Bukayo Saka,  turned 18 this month, two world class assists and a world class finish. Of all the kids coming through, he's the best, got the lot.

Still doing it 5 months later.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54985 on: February 24, 2020, 09:10:38 AM »
Still doing it 5 months later.

Do you think he's good enough to make as a left winger? Or do you think he has more chance as a wing back / full back. There seems to be a school of thought that he doesn't have quite the attributes to be a really top winger, but he could go on to be an elite level full back?

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« Reply #54986 on: February 24, 2020, 10:26:02 AM »
Do you think he's good enough to make as a left winger? Or do you think he has more chance as a wing back / full back. There seems to be a school of thought that he doesn't have quite the attributes to be a really top winger, but he could go on to be an elite level full back?

Hes still so young that its hard to tell now, he hasn't fully developed physically yet. Remember when Bale was a useless left back for about 4 years, then exploded into a world class attacking left sided machine. Saka is still better going forward than defending but his attitude and temperament is what makes him stand out now, we have a lot of skillful youngsters (Willock, Nelson, Nketiah, Smith Rowe), they don't yet seem to have his temperament.
There is nothing wrong with being a versatile player too, even if we got a world class winger, he wont be playing every game so will need someone to step in at some stage.

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« Reply #54987 on: February 24, 2020, 10:30:05 AM »
Hes still so young that its hard to tell now, he hasn't fully developed physically yet. Remember when Bale was a useless left back for about 4 years, then exploded into a world class attacking left sided machine. Saka is still better going forward than defending but his attitude and temperament is what makes him stand out now, we have a lot of skillful youngsters (Willock, Nelson, Nketiah, Smith Rowe), they don't yet seem to have his temperament.
There is nothing wrong with being a versatile player too, even if we got a world class winger, he wont be playing every game so will need someone to step in at some stage.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54988 on: February 24, 2020, 10:49:14 AM »
With that monster warchest you've got?



Not sure I'd want us to go out & sign 1 anyway to be honest, quite happy to see how the likes of Martinelli & Saka develop there. More interested in sorting the central areas first.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Artettacking Front Four?
« Reply #54989 on: February 25, 2020, 04:37:33 PM »
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« Reply #54990 on: February 25, 2020, 05:01:52 PM »
Do you think he's good enough to make as a left winger? Or do you think he has more chance as a wing back / full back. There seems to be a school of thought that he doesn't have quite the attributes to be a really top winger, but he could go on to be an elite level full back?
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« Reply #54991 on: February 25, 2020, 10:37:29 PM »
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Artettacking Front Four?
« Reply #54992 on: February 25, 2020, 11:01:48 PM »
Arsenal will be really interesting next season.

You can see where they’re trying to go with the team, but there are so many issues to solve.  Midfield and defence are huge issues... and yet they won’t have that much to spend.

Next season we will also see the value of Arteta as a coach.  3 to 4 months is usually enough time for the coaching to show.  Look at Lampard, the wheels have fallen off.  Look at Solskjaer, the wheels have fallen off.  They are both utterly crap, but it took some time to show itself.

Arteta?  He might be different, but we will see in the autumn.  I don’t doubt he can coach, but are his shoulders broad enough to carry this behemoth from the floor and get them to soar again?
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54993 on: February 26, 2020, 08:40:13 AM »
Elite level Klopp fullback.

I'll be surprised if he was to leave Arsenal just now. He's only 18, getting regular game time, been with the club since he was a boy, close to his family & the Nigerian community in London. He's got plenty of time to move on to bigger & better things lol.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54994 on: February 26, 2020, 08:42:59 AM »
I'll be surprised if he was to leave Arsenal just now. He's only 18, getting regular game time, been with the club since he was a boy, close to his family & the Nigerian community in London. He's got plenty of time to move on to bigger & better things lol.
Yeah I think he'd be best signing a 3/4 year deal and then seeing where he/Arsenal are in a couple years. We'll take him off your hands then  ;D

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« Reply #54995 on: February 26, 2020, 08:52:50 AM »
Arsenal will be really interesting next season.

You can see where they’re trying to go with the team, but there are so many issues to solve.  Midfield and defence are huge issues... and yet they won’t have that much to spend.

Next season we will also see the value of Arteta as a coach.  3 to 4 months is usually enough time for the coaching to show.  Look at Lampard, the wheels have fallen off.  Look at Solskjaer, the wheels have fallen off.  They are both utterly crap, but it took some time to show itself.

Arteta?  He might be different, but we will see in the autumn.  I don’t doubt he can coach, but are his shoulders broad enough to carry this behemoth from the floor and get them to soar again?

Not sure if this is correct  :o

How many people said he would be a top manager on here?? He's done, and continues to do ok. 

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« Reply #54996 on: February 26, 2020, 11:37:00 AM »
To me it looks like 4 of the "traditional top six" are currently rebuilding. And of these four (ManUtd, Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal), Arsenal have the best manager in place for future success. Followed by Chelsea.
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« Reply #54997 on: February 26, 2020, 11:37:00 AM »
Arsenal will be really interesting next season.

You can see where they’re trying to go with the team, but there are so many issues to solve.  Midfield and defence are huge issues... and yet they won’t have that much to spend.

Next season we will also see the value of Arteta as a coach.  3 to 4 months is usually enough time for the coaching to show.  Look at Lampard, the wheels have fallen off.  Look at Solskjaer, the wheels have fallen off.  They are both utterly crap, but it took some time to show itself.

Arteta?  He might be different, but we will see in the autumn.  I don’t doubt he can coach, but are his shoulders broad enough to carry this behemoth from the floor and get them to soar again?

Arteta does feel a little different for me. He hasn't had that new manager bump where the players suddenly develop some pride and start racing around the pitch, and he hasn't had a player suddenly hit a purple patch under him. The players are still the same and the issues are still there, but he seems to have given the team some structure and a way of playing that can cover their issues, which is all you can really ask for from a new manager. I don't see how they suddenly start signing the right players though, that's been a problem for them for a while.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Artettacking Front Four?
« Reply #54998 on: February 26, 2020, 12:14:53 PM »
For some reason, not totally sure why, Arteta was being touted as a potentially top manager for years, even when he was playing. In the same way Ole was famous for having a baby face, and Lamps for speaking 2 languages, and leaving his Spanish wife for the girl from morning tv.

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« Reply #54999 on: February 26, 2020, 01:45:36 PM »
For some reason, not totally sure why, Arteta was being touted as a potentially top manager for years, even when he was playing. In the same way Ole was famous for having a baby face, and Lamps for speaking 2 languages, and leaving his Spanish wife for the girl from morning tv.

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