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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99560 on: April 29, 2019, 01:49:48 PM »
Only things I don't agree with you are Wilson getting sold and Hoever getting backup rb minutes.  I think Wilson will get a loan to a prem club next year and the only minutes that Hoever will get are early cup round games at CB.  I think we'll stick with Trent and Gomez for the RB position next year with Milner as emergency/3rd choice.  I do think Brewster will get opportunities as Sturridge is clearly leaving. 

wilson will need a prem loan. more shop window action.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99561 on: April 29, 2019, 06:47:29 PM »
Only things I don't agree with you are Wilson getting sold and Hoever getting backup rb minutes.  I think Wilson will get a loan to a prem club next year and the only minutes that Hoever will get are early cup round games at CB.  I think we'll stick with Trent and Gomez for the RB position next year with Milner as emergency/3rd choice.  I do think Brewster will get opportunities as Sturridge is clearly leaving.

Think Hoever will get RB minutes in the cups and I honestly can see Milner leaving this season if Leeds come up and we only have a year left on his contract and could make 10mill from him. Gomez will be 2nd choice CB but yes I think he will shift to RB if Trent cant play and Matip will step in CB but I think hoever will get some decent games this year. Think they rate him very highly at the Academy.

I also think Wilson will get sold because hes 22 and his price is the highest it will ever be. Think we can sell for 20-25m and insert a buy back of 30-35m if he turns into something amazing which I dont see happening. We did the same thing with Ibe when we sold for 15min and pretty sure had a Buy Back clause inserted.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99562 on: April 29, 2019, 09:26:21 PM »
Think Hoever will get RB minutes in the cups and I honestly can see Milner leaving this season if Leeds come up and we only have a year left on his contract and could make 10mill from him. Gomez will be 2nd choice CB but yes I think he will shift to RB if Trent cant play and Matip will step in CB but I think hoever will get some decent games this year. Think they rate him very highly at the Academy.

I also think Wilson will get sold because hes 22 and his price is the highest it will ever be. Think we can sell for 20-25m and insert a buy back of 30-35m if he turns into something amazing which I dont see happening. We did the same thing with Ibe when we sold for 15min and pretty sure had a Buy Back clause inserted.

Not a hope in hell we will get that for Wilson, of all the players leaving discarding the Squad players I think we can get a good 40/50m for them.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99563 on: April 30, 2019, 12:22:44 PM »


Definitely something to be improved upon

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99564 on: April 30, 2019, 12:27:44 PM »


Definitely something to be improved upon

Real Madrid United and Barcelona in the top 10 and very few of these youngsters are actually top class. Saying that is much  harder to do though when youíre going for a 100 point season in  very a competitive league

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99565 on: April 30, 2019, 12:32:18 PM »


Definitely something to be improved upon

Surely the idea is to bring through genuinely top class players, the likes of TAA, who can be a starter in a side going for CL and PL titles, rather than players like who are in the United or Spurs side who wouldnít get near our team.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99566 on: April 30, 2019, 12:34:55 PM »


Definitely something to be improved upon

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99567 on: April 30, 2019, 12:37:39 PM »
Surely the idea is to bring through genuinely top class players, the likes of TAA, who can be a starter in a side going for CL and PL titles, rather than players like who are in the United or Spurs side who wouldnít get near our team.

Harry Winks for example would do pretty well in our team, as would Rashford both arenít the level of TAA which is the very very top level, but of course they could still contribute.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99568 on: April 30, 2019, 12:44:24 PM »
Harry Winks for example would do pretty well in our team, as would Rashford both arenít the level of TAA which is the very very top level, but of course they could still contribute.

The little Iíve seen of Winks Iím not sure heís better than any of our midfielders.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99569 on: April 30, 2019, 01:49:09 PM »
Who's gonna pay us the £20m+ that Wilson is gonna cost? He'll probably do a Prem loan, if a suitable one can be arranged, after being with us for some of pre-season.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99570 on: April 30, 2019, 01:51:24 PM »
If we get one lad into our squad every two years we'd be doing really well. Hopefully that'll be Brewster next season, but don't see where there's room to maintain win the league and blood the youth as contiguous goals.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99571 on: April 30, 2019, 01:57:01 PM »
If we get one lad into our squad every two years we'd be doing really well. Hopefully that'll be Brewster next season, but don't see where there's room to maintain win the league and blood the youth as contiguous goals.

You absolutely can. I'd argue it's the best time to do it. It gives the youth a winning mentality when you bring them through when you're successful, as long as you do it naturally.

I'd liken Wilson a bit to how Shaqiri plays, he really loves playing between the lines.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99572 on: April 30, 2019, 02:03:14 PM »
You absolutely can. I'd argue it's the best time to do it. It gives the youth a winning mentality when you bring them through when you're successful, as long as you do it naturally.

I'd liken Wilson a bit to how Shaqiri plays, he really loves playing between the lines.

Yeah, I know what you mean. Bringing youngsters into a winning team is easier than bringing them into one that's struggling.

I guess I just meant we've so little space to breathe in this season. Like, would you like to have Brewster or Sturridge on the bench against Wolves if someone gets injured?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99573 on: April 30, 2019, 02:06:13 PM »
Yeah, I know what you mean. Bringing youngsters into a winning team is easier than bringing them into one that's struggling.

I guess I just meant we've so little space to breathe in this season. Like, would you like to have Brewster or Sturridge on the bench against Wolves if someone gets injured?

Honestly I've not seen enough of Brewster to judge. I still love Sturridge, but he really sticks out like a sore thumb in our team when he plays.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99574 on: April 30, 2019, 03:22:26 PM »
Sturridge can't (or won't) sprint and it's heartbreaking.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99575 on: April 30, 2019, 03:25:28 PM »
Who's gonna pay us the £20m+ that Wilson is gonna cost? He'll probably do a Prem loan, if a suitable one can be arranged, after being with us for some of pre-season.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99576 on: April 30, 2019, 03:35:56 PM »
I'd be quite sad to see Wilson go, because from what I've seen of him the quality is there for him to be a premier league footballer. I'd rather we sold him than loan him out again this summer, the latter option just seems pointless at this point.

Hoever and Duncan interest me most at this point. I'd imagine the plan with them would be to keep them both in the 23s next season, and if they improve loan them out to a good level of football, be it the championship or perhaps even abroad. I think waiting so long to send Wilson out to the championship might have been a killer. Everyone saw his talent, but I felt like we kept him in the u23s for about a year longer than we should have, given he could have been playing competitive football earlier.

Perhaps we'll get a nice cup draw next season and they'll figure into it somehow.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99577 on: April 30, 2019, 06:04:45 PM »
Sturridge can't (or won't) sprint and it's heartbreaking.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99578 on: April 30, 2019, 06:11:16 PM »
Harry Winks for example would do pretty well in our team, as would Rashford both arenít the level of TAA which is the very very top level, but of course they could still contribute.

Aye they would, as probably would Jan Molby still.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99579 on: April 30, 2019, 06:31:23 PM »
I'd be quite sad to see Wilson go, because from what I've seen of him the quality is there for him to be a premier league footballer. I'd rather we sold him than loan him out again this summer, the latter option just seems pointless at this point.

Hoever and Duncan interest me most at this point. I'd imagine the plan with them would be to keep them both in the 23s next season, and if they improve loan them out to a good level of football, be it the championship or perhaps even abroad. I think waiting so long to send Wilson out to the championship might have been a killer. Everyone saw his talent, but I felt like we kept him in the u23s for about a year longer than we should have, given he could have been playing competitive football earlier.

Perhaps we'll get a nice cup draw next season and they'll figure into it somehow.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99580 on: April 30, 2019, 06:38:30 PM »
Wilson will get a chance pre season, I'm sure of it. In fact I think he may even be given until January to prove himself. Players with Wilson's long distance shooting ability don't come around too often, I think Klopp will want to work with him for a while before making a decision on his future.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99581 on: April 30, 2019, 09:00:21 PM »
Looks like the young reds have beaten man city 1 nil and won the league as well as the youth cup.

Well done everyone at the academy.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99582 on: April 30, 2019, 09:04:28 PM »
Brewster is in the traveling squad to Barcelona...

Pretty good for him...
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99583 on: April 30, 2019, 10:03:18 PM »
Aye they would, as probably would Jan Molby still.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99584 on: April 30, 2019, 10:28:02 PM »
Looks like the young reds have beaten man city 1 nil and [/b]won the league[/b]as well as the youth cup.

Well done everyone at the academy.

Nope.  Theyíd need to wi their final game something like 11 or 12 - nil to win the North league.  Good win again v Man City but I think City weíre playing a much changed, largely U16 team

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99585 on: May 4, 2019, 10:11:56 AM »
U18s play at 1230. 10 goal win needed to finish top, which isnt impossible given some of the scorelines you get at this level and you dont know how strong the opposition will go.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99586 on: May 4, 2019, 02:24:47 PM »
Won 1-0. Orourke at the end. Really good season for the u18s. Most should be playing u23s next year but really depends on clearing out a fair few of the older youth players.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99587 on: May 6, 2019, 02:57:14 PM »
wilson will need a prem loan. more shop window action.

Cannot see another loan, he'll be gone this summer.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99588 on: May 9, 2019, 02:50:15 PM »
Hypothetical question - If we have a youth player out on loan to a League 1 side, now that their season is over, can that youth player now play in our last league game?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99589 on: May 9, 2019, 05:43:03 PM »
Hypothetical question - If we have a youth player out on loan to a League 1 side, now that their season is over, can that youth player now play in our last league game?

I think the only one we have I Herbie Kane and I think he I involved in the playoffs.  But hypothetically, probably not.  He will still be registered to the other club and I think the release-to-play (if theyíre not involved in playing matches for their registered club) is only to U23/academy games.  The release to play doesnít apply to non youth loanees. 

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99590 on: May 10, 2019, 04:16:42 PM »
You think Duncan is better than Glatzel?

For me, Glatzel is way better, Duncan is a goalmachine but Glatzel is so much more. I'm really looking forward to see how Glatzel progresses from here.

Also, I really want Harry Wilson to get a chance for us next season, he's ready for it.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99591 on: May 10, 2019, 04:42:06 PM »
I think that a lot of the people that are writing of Wilsons career with us haven't took into account of our system. We've got a first team full of write offs and misfits. Robbo, Hendo, Milner, Matip, Gini, Lovren, etc. All playing to a standard that was unthinkable at certain parts of their respective careers. Harry has talent, when you put someone with talent in a well oiled machine like ours they bloom. I would be surprised to see him leave to be honest. We could really use someone with his skills in the squad

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99592 on: May 10, 2019, 05:34:44 PM »
Goal have just released a piece on Harry and his development targets. Seems like he's smashed them. Well in lad!!

https://www.goal.com/en-us/news/wembley-bound-premier-league-bound-liverpool-loanee-wilson/133w3q0u9vdd3146bszcesf4jl

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99593 on: May 10, 2019, 07:24:00 PM »
Good to see Man City's £200m academy investment paying off.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99594 on: May 10, 2019, 08:27:38 PM »
Article that includes a brief talk about Herbie Kane - https://statsbomb.com/2019/05/league-one-playoff-preview/


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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99595 on: May 10, 2019, 10:21:27 PM »
i wonder if woodburn is quick enough to play in a klopp MF?

if we're looking at aouar to play as that MF that links with attack i'd say ben's days are numbered as houssem just a year older.

sell him in the summer if we can't get him a decent shop window loan to push his value up?

same with grujic.  i like the look of him but it would be mental to turn down £35m from Atletico.

that would pay - for example - rabiot signing on fee and a big chunk of his wages.

Woodburn has the quality to continue with him, he does need to develop a burst of acceleration so he can create space for himself but the skill and intelligence is there.

Grujic us interesting as he could become a beast of a player if he's learned to play at a higher tempo but I do feel he will be sold for a decent profit

Rabiot hasn't shown a great attitude at PSG, wouldn't want a prima Donna spoiling our team spirit if he's not playing regular

Agree on the comments about Glatzel, he's got the game and the mentality to become a big part of what Klopp wants to do at Liverpool


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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99596 on: May 10, 2019, 11:12:40 PM »
So, Michael Edwards has been watching Harry Wilson! Hmm..

Doesn't stick with the narrative that the club has given up on him though.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99597 on: May 11, 2019, 12:35:38 AM »
So, Michael Edwards has been watching Harry Wilson! Hmm..

Doesn't stick with the narrative that the club has given up on him though.

And wondering how much he can sell him for?

Haha - I kid - I want this kid to make it here to prove the doubters wrong.

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« Reply #99598 on: May 11, 2019, 05:09:37 PM »
As I've stated in here before I can see quite a few of our U23s heading the door this Summer.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99599 on: May 11, 2019, 05:25:36 PM »
I think the youth staff have said that