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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99760 on: June 7, 2019, 08:10:50 PM »
I see that Diego Lattie, briefly LFC and capped for England at U16, having been released by Man City, has been released by Wolves.  And Marley Blair, also briefly of LFC, has been released by Burnley.   Itís a tough game for kids with dreams

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99761 on: June 7, 2019, 10:18:32 PM »
Iíve read before that decisions are made tend to be made by March.   I think we first heard Bobby was refusing to sign before that.  So I imagine they were all offered a while back but either have no intention of signing or are keeping their options open.  Coming through our academy has become harder for sure and the waste of promising early talent, eg Masterson, is going to impact on othersí decisions.  When you look at some of those we released (not contract offered) from our academy a few years ago, some have made it to regular first team football elsewhere in the lower leagues by still developing at academy age elsewhere.  Leave it too late with little football in the wretched U21s system and the chances of success seem to fall, perhaps because they become to used to playing technical football the Ďright wayí.
When did Masterson ever look a promising talent?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99762 on: June 7, 2019, 10:19:10 PM »
I suppose we don't know whether the "contract 5" - Bobby Adekanye, Daniel Atherton, George Johnston, Abdi Sharif and Edvard Tagseth - are all looking to leave or whether some of them may have been offered contracts late with this deadline approaching...
Tagseth said in the media in his home country in April he was leaving.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99763 on: June 7, 2019, 10:30:39 PM »
Bit surprised Tagseth is off. I wonder if Gerrard might offer him a contract up at Rangers.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99764 on: June 7, 2019, 11:01:04 PM »
Tagseth said in the media in his home country in April he was leaving.

Yes we know a bit about Tagseth, the position with Johnston, Sharif and Atherton is less clear

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99765 on: June 8, 2019, 01:54:35 AM »
Looks like we canít get enough of this silverware stuff now weíve won one.

Paul Joyce tweeted that us and United are entering the Checkatrade Trophy next season. From a quick google it seems we were the only ďtop sixĒ sides holding out. Sounds as though itíll be an U21 side we field.

Presuming as itís June the 8th this isnít an April fool.

Wasnít sure where to post this if Iím honest, but didnít think it deserved itís own thread. This seemed the most appropriate place as itís likely to be players from the u23 and u18s who most likely play in it.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99766 on: June 8, 2019, 07:43:00 AM »
Looks like we canít get enough of this silverware stuff now weíve won one.

Paul Joyce tweeted that us and United are entering the Checkatrade Trophy next season. From a quick google it seems we were the only ďtop sixĒ sides holding out. Sounds as though itíll be an U21 side we field.

Presuming as itís June the 8th this isnít an April fool.

Wasnít sure where to post this if Iím honest, but didnít think it deserved itís own thread. This seemed the most appropriate place as itís likely to be players from the u23 and u18s who most likely play in it.

Pleased with that

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99767 on: June 8, 2019, 10:03:03 AM »
It's something that's been happening since the 16-17 season, 16 under 21 teams from Premier and Championship, Don't like it myself, taking the chances away from a lower league team of winning a trophy

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99768 on: June 8, 2019, 11:28:46 AM »
Looks like we canít get enough of this silverware stuff now weíve won one.

Paul Joyce tweeted that us and United are entering the Checkatrade Trophy next season. From a quick google it seems we were the only ďtop sixĒ sides holding out. Sounds as though itíll be an U21 side we field.

Presuming as itís June the 8th this isnít an April fool.

Wasnít sure where to post this if Iím honest, but didnít think it deserved itís own thread. This seemed the most appropriate place as itís likely to be players from the u23 and u18s who most likely play in it.

Prem clubs can only play u23 players anyway.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99769 on: June 8, 2019, 12:21:48 PM »
Once Klopp comes back from his well earned break, plans will inevitably turn to the pre-season. I am wondering who has a good chance of making the pre-season tour. The African players may still be away or at least on their hols, which youngsters will make the cut this season. There has been some good performances at both under 18's and the under 23's who does everyone want to see on the tour?

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Ki Joever
Glatzel

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99770 on: June 9, 2019, 12:18:04 AM »
Looks like we've definitely signed Jakub Ojrzynski based off his Instagram. Polish media seem to suggest price is at least £200,000

https://www.instagram.com/p/BydROxUixmp/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99772 on: June 9, 2019, 10:14:09 PM »
Neil Jones, ex of the Echo, suggests Awoniyi and Arroyo will train with the first team during pre-season

https://www.goal.com/en/news/liverpool-receive-three-bundesliga-approaches-for-25m-rated/gzbddl4xgm7l138fglxnc4m0m

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99773 on: June 10, 2019, 10:32:38 PM »
I see Steve Cooperís getting the Swansea job, possible other connection for loans.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99775 on: June 11, 2019, 08:46:54 AM »
Ojo going to Rangers on loan.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/sheyi-ojo-agrees-rangers-loan-16497217
I give it under 5 games before their fans turn on him for 'lack of effort' due to his laid back approach

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99776 on: June 11, 2019, 11:51:17 AM »
Should be a league where he can excel.  Really needs to kick on after a couple of less then stellar loans. 

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99777 on: June 11, 2019, 12:07:26 PM »
I give it under 5 games before their fans turn on him for 'lack of effort' due to his laid back approach

What type of player is he, best position etc?

Talk seems that we (Rangers) have a good chance of getting Kent for another year on loan as well. He became a bit of a cult hero at Rangers last season, & became an important player for us. Would be good to get him back, & for hopefully him to improve his goals & assists from last season now the team is more settled, as the talent is there.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99778 on: June 11, 2019, 12:53:57 PM »
Ojo is great at carrying the ball, good winger who has had some disappointing loan spells lately.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99779 on: June 11, 2019, 08:17:23 PM »
Iíve always thought heís a bit like Ibe.  Great physicality and really fast.   Can score really powerful strikes (with left peg) but also like Ibe, flatters to deceive on end product.  Maybe makes wrong decisions but doesnít score as much as he should

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« Reply #99780 on: June 12, 2019, 01:25:06 AM »
Iíve always thought heís a bit like Ibe.  Great physicality and really fast.   Can score really powerful strikes (with left peg) but also like Ibe, flatters to deceive on end product.  Maybe makes wrong decisions but doesnít score as much as he should

Think this is right.  Also think Ibe would flourish in the spl, excited to see what Ojo does
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99781 on: June 12, 2019, 01:45:11 PM »
In terms of natural ability and attributes for me Ojo is a top 10 PL player and superior than the likes of Kent and Wilson. Heís a good athlete with pace, strength, height and athleticism. Good technique, sweet left footed, can spot a pass, has skill and is a good finisher.

I just donít think he really believes in himself nearly as much as he should. If someone could light a fire in his belly and get him playing with his chest puffed out rather than with his chin in his chest heíd be a really good player. In all honesty, I donít think heíd fancy playing on the shitty pitches in Scotland and getting lumps kicked out of him, but ability wise he's better than Kent..

As someone said above, I can see the fans turning on him if he isn't scoring/creating goals as he has a very laid back style on the pitch which could be mistaken for lazy.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99782 on: June 15, 2019, 11:29:51 PM »
Anyone know when we can expect to see a list of new first-year scholars in the academy? Always curious to see who will be taking the step up to the u18s. This year could be particularly interesting, as I think we'll see a lot of the FA youth cup winners take the step up to u23 level.
With so many u23 players off to find new opportunities, could be a year of significant change in the two main academy squads.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99783 on: June 16, 2019, 04:18:13 PM »
Anyone know when we can expect to see a list of new first-year scholars in the academy? Always curious to see who will be taking the step up to the u18s. This year could be particularly interesting, as I think we'll see a lot of the FA youth cup winners take the step up to u23 level.
With so many u23 players off to find new opportunities, could be a year of significant change in the two main academy squads.

No idea when.  It is usually a bit after they return for pre-season and some way through playing their first few friendlies.   But youíre right, it is potentially a huge cohort of second year U18s moving up: Boyes; Clayton; Dixon-B; Duncan; Glatzel; Jaros; Larouci; Longstaff; Raitanen; Sharif; Tagseth; Alex Turner; Varesanovic; Neco Williams; Rhys Williams; winterbottom. 

Even assuming Raitanen (barely played), Turner and Varesanovic (never seen play) are not offered contracts, you can understand why some of the others listed as Ďcontract offeredí are unlikely to sign.

Who joins the U18s in the new season?  Well those LFC have bought recently, ie 2 from Sunderland one of which must be Luca Stephenson, Billy Koumetio, a CB bought from France in January, and the new Polish Goalie.   Now there seems to be less mention of those under 16 in any thread anywhere (probably a very good thing), itís difficult to know who is progressing through the ranks unless you are family of friends of the boys.  But Iíve seen mention of a couple with Eng U16s caps, namely James Norris and Jarell Quansah.  Then there were those names in the U19 Ueafa champions League squad last season from the U16s, but canít find that list anymore. 

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99784 on: June 16, 2019, 05:14:20 PM »
Think that fa youth cup squad will test themselves in the checkatrade trophy With Liverpool entering an u21 team this season.

The competition is pants but will be a test against physical, strong football league sides.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99785 on: June 16, 2019, 05:33:41 PM »
It's something that's been happening since the 16-17 season, 16 under 21 teams from Premier and Championship, Don't like it myself, taking the chances away from a lower league team of winning a trophy

Yeah, itís ridiculous. Why should the lower leagues reduce their chances of a Wembley trip and trophy to help PL clubs with competitive football for their academies? Chelsea have already made the semis, so they would have knocked a few clubs out along the way. Iíd like to think the league one, and below, clubs are gaining financially from the arrangement?
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99786 on: June 16, 2019, 05:37:22 PM »
Grabara playing in the Euro U21ís on Sky atm.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99787 on: June 16, 2019, 05:37:54 PM »
Looks like we've definitely signed Jakub Ojrzynski based off his Instagram. Polish media seem to suggest price is at least £200,000

https://www.instagram.com/p/BydROxUixmp/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

This was announced back in May. Juventus and United also tried to sign him. Must be highly rated.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99788 on: June 16, 2019, 06:16:50 PM »
I think the sunderland players we just signed will be club u15s. Luca stephenson we signed from last year and us seperate to those 2. Also apparently we've agreed to send some academy players on loan there as part  of those deals.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99789 on: June 16, 2019, 06:33:59 PM »
Yeah, itís ridiculous. Why should the lower leagues reduce their chances of a Wembley trip and trophy to help PL clubs with competitive football for their academies? Chelsea have already made the semis, so they would have knocked a few clubs out along the way. Iíd like to think the league one, and below, clubs are gaining financially from the arrangement?

Very few league clubs were taking the competition seriously anyway so the change was as much to try and get them more interested as it was to try and satisfy bigger clubs. If youre going for promotion or battling relegation then this competition is the last thing you care about.

Not saying it's a good thing, but last season you had Sunderland vs Newcastle u21s and Port Vale vs Stoke u21s which were the most high profile games the competition has seen for years and drew attention to it that it hasn't received for a long time.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99790 on: June 16, 2019, 06:48:55 PM »
I think the sunderland players we just signed will be club u15s. Luca stephenson we signed from last year and us seperate to those 2. Also apparently we've agreed to send some academy players on loan there as part  of those deals.

Now that is interesting, and youíre obviously well informed.  I wonder is that was behind the sudden announcement by Sunderland  of Liam Miller signing for them last Summer?  Then the signing was off. 
Good if a couple of our go there on loan as with our numbers, they theyíre more likely to get some game time there.  No slur on their academy intended.  It is surely better than their league position suggests. 

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« Reply #99791 on: June 16, 2019, 07:05:59 PM »
Now that is interesting, and youíre obviously well informed.  I wonder is that was behind the sudden announcement by Sunderland  of Liam Miller signing for them last Summer?  Then the signing was off. 
Good if a couple of our go there on loan as with our numbers, they theyíre more likely to get some game time there.  No slur on their academy intended.  It is surely better than their league position suggests.
I just read the loan bit in the chronicle haha. Their owner seems to have mentioned it a fan podcast


https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/six-youngsters-sunderland-could-sign-16400174.amp

Their acdemy is certainly good enough to produce players at league one level, assuming top clubs dont keep all their decent ones.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99792 on: June 16, 2019, 09:39:11 PM »
Yeah, itís ridiculous. Why should the lower leagues reduce their chances of a Wembley trip and trophy to help PL clubs with competitive football for their academies? Chelsea have already made the semis, so they would have knocked a few clubs out along the way. Iíd like to think the league one, and below, clubs are gaining financially from the arrangement?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99793 on: June 17, 2019, 03:22:23 AM »
No idea when.  It is usually a bit after they return for pre-season and some way through playing their first few friendlies.   But youíre right, it is potentially a huge cohort of second year U18s moving up: Boyes; Clayton; Dixon-B; Duncan; Glatzel; Jaros; Larouci; Longstaff; Raitanen; Sharif; Tagseth; Alex Turner; Varesanovic; Neco Williams; Rhys Williams; winterbottom. 

Even assuming Raitanen (barely played), Turner and Varesanovic (never seen play) are not offered contracts, you can understand why some of the others listed as Ďcontract offeredí are unlikely to sign.

Who joins the U18s in the new season?  Well those LFC have bought recently, ie 2 from Sunderland one of which must be Luca Stephenson, Billy Koumetio, a CB bought from France in January, and the new Polish Goalie.   Now there seems to be less mention of those under 16 in any thread anywhere (probably a very good thing), itís difficult to know who is progressing through the ranks unless you are family of friends of the boys.  But Iíve seen mention of a couple with Eng U16s caps, namely James Norris and Jarell Quansah.  Then there were those names in the U19 Ueafa champions League squad last season from the U16s, but canít find that list anymore.

Interesting note on the u16 internationals, wouldnít have known that myself. Have to keep an eye out for their names popping up. I do imagine a significant amount of movement will happen so they could get a chance to shine for the u18s this coming year.

Excited to see the Stephenson lad also, seemed like that was regarded as a bit of a coup last year when we signed him.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99794 on: June 17, 2019, 01:59:16 PM »
Probably now a bit older for this thread but Sheyi Ojo is having a medical with Rangers today with a view to another loan
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99795 on: June 17, 2019, 07:05:22 PM »
The LFC website has Meet the Academy: Matteo Ritaccio article, which tends to suggest he is not leaving after one season here, which was previously suggested in one list of those going, I think by the Echo.  Bravo.  He looked a neat, technical player, just struggle to get some game time last season. 

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« Reply #99796 on: June 17, 2019, 08:16:44 PM »
I don't get the Ibe/Ojo comparison, Ojo has much better movement and positioning and always looked like a potentially much more productive player. I don't think the series of loans and injuries have helped, plus he's not a super hard worker which is a must for a youngster trying to impress Klopp.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99797 on: June 19, 2019, 12:39:42 PM »
But Iíve seen mention of a couple with Eng U16s caps, namely James Norris and Jarell Quansah.  Then there were those names in the U19 Ueafa champions League squad last season from the U16s, but canít find that list anymore.

My 8 year old will love seeing someone with his name playing for Liverpool if James Norris makes it into the under 18's.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99798 on: June 21, 2019, 07:57:05 PM »
As suggested by others before, at least elsewhere if not here, Patrick Raitanen has left.   He wasnít on the released list but presumably decided heíd have more of a chance of playing abroad.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #99799 on: June 23, 2019, 03:19:41 PM »
LFC have signed a young Northern Irishman, Conor Bradley. Will join up in July when he turns 16. He's described as a winger with "blinding pace, mesmerizing skill and an eye for goal" by the Ulster Herald.

We are also linked with Rekeem Harper of WBA. 19 yo central midfielder who is soon to be out of contract.