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Spyin' Kop: FC Porto (Away) - 18th September 2007
« on: September 15, 2007, 11:30:45 pm »
We kick off our 2007/08 Champions League proper campaign this Tuesday and it's off to Porto's Estadio do Dragão (Stadium of the Dragon) for a match against the reigning Portuguese Champions. Considering both Liverpool and Porto are veterans of European Competition it's a suprise that we have only met once competetivley, in the two-legged UEFA Cup Quarter Final of 2001, a year all reds fans remember fondly. The away tie at Porto's then stadium, Estadio das Antas, finished 0-0. Liverpool went on to win 2-0 at Anfield, with goals from Michael Owen and Danny Murphy.



FC PORTO v LIVERPOOL FC
CHAMPIONS LEAGUE GROUP STAGE
Tuesday 18th September 2007
Estadio do Dragão, Porto
Kick-off: 19:45



Porto's 2007/08 campagin began with a loss in the Supercup to Sporting, but they have since bounced back to win 4 out of 4 league games, and sit at the top of the table.

In order to lose my Spyin Kop virginity I've dusted down my Portuguese dictionary and spent the last few days on the site of the Super Dragões, the main group of FCP Ultras. I had a bit of apprehension that comes from seeing the world 'Ultras' but they were a very friendly bunch, so many thanks to them. I've translated their replies, a selection of which you can read below. Note that these replies were written before they played Maritimo on Saturday night (Porto won 1-0).



1. So, how has the season been going so far?

l0uKO_FCP: It’s going beautifully, 3 games, 3 victories!

beerboy: Very well. Apart from the defeat in the Super Cup, the rest is all within normality.

Mr.ti: Bad. We lost the first trophy of the season.

2. What are your expectations for this season?

l0uKO_FCP: To win the league, the cup, and to go as far as possible in the CL because we have the capacities for this

Mr.ti: To win everything in Portugal and in the CL, to get past the group stage, and after that…

Serg7o^^: We enter each competition to win it. Our objective is to win the the treble, but we know how difficult the champions league is.

beerboy: Domestically, to win everything. As for the Cl… we know that it’s more difficult, but care and luck, MOSCOW HERE WE COME!

3. Who do you think is your most important player(s)?

l0uKO_FCP: All are important but the ones we can’t do without are Bruno Alves, Bosingwa, Lucho Gonzalez, Raul Meireles, and Quaresma

Mr.ti: Zebó!

beerboy: The team of FCPorto

4. And the worst?

l0uk0_FCP: Worst? It’s difficult to answer because we still haven’t played much.

mr.ti: The fans that boo/whistle Zebó!

beerboy: The opposition :D

5. Any young up and coming players in the squad that we might not know about? Who is the next Quarsma?

l0uk0_FCP: For me, the great player of the future of FCP is going to be Leandro Lima (“The Next Anderson”)

Mr. ti: Some young players have been making appearances. The one you might get to know is Leandrinho.

beerboy: We don’t need to have a next R. Quaremsa… we have enough, Bruno Gama, Vierinha, H. Barbosa, Paulo Machado, and Castro for example.

6. Speaking of whom, Quaresma is player that a lot of people have been talking about in the past year. What is your opinion of him? Is he your best player?

l0uk0_FCP: They are all good but Quaresma makes the difference. For this he is one of the most important and one of the best.

Mr.ti: He is technically very good, but I value the whole team

beeryboy: Quaresma is a good player… but plays for a team, that lately doesn’t have best or worst players when all are working for the same objective

vera_teixeira: Very unstable. If he has a good night, he isn’t good – he’s fantastic. But if it’s not going well, he rarely finishes the game without a card, and also I think that he sticks to the sideline a lot… but it’s without doubt that he is very important for the team.

7. What sort of line-up will be put out against us?

l0uk0_FCP: helton, b.alves, emanuel, fucile, bosingwa, p.assunçao, meireles, lucho, quaresma, tarik, (or lisandro), and adriano.

Mr.ti: Helton, Fucile, Zebo, B.Alves , J.Paulo, P.Assunção, R.Meireles, Lucho, Quaresma, Lizandro e Adriano

beerboy: The team that the manager believes that will go into the game, 100%, and play for victory.

8. Do you have any favourite/best chant(s) and perhaps any that require an explanation?

l0uk0FCP: "ALLEZ PORTO ALLEZ, NOS SOMOS A TUA VOZ, QUEREMOS ESTA VITORIA CONKISTA-A POR NOS! E QUEM NAO SALTA E LAMPIAO! EM QUALQUER LADO EM QUALQUER ESTADIO SO PARA TE VER PORTO ALLEZ! ALLEZ QUARESMA ALLEZ! PORTO ES A NOSSA VIDA, ESTA CURVA NUNCA TE VAI DEIXAR!  ALLEZ OH ALLEZ OH FORÇA PORTO FAZ O GOLO!"

Between others, lol.

Author: Allez porto allez, we are your voice, we want this victory, conquer it for us! And anyone who doesn’t jump is a lampião*, In any place, at any stadium, just to see you Porto, Allez! Allez Quaresma, Allez, Porto you are our life, this stand - will always be at your side! Allez oh Allez oh, Come on Porto, score a goal!

-   * derogatory slang word for Benfica fans
-   ** refers to the stand behind the goal
(thanks to Miura from SuperDragoes for confirming this, and making some corrections)



Mr.ti: Our anthem isn’t YNWA… Everytime I hear it [ynwa], I get goosebumps. Of the rest, I hope it’ll be a good night for the Super Dragões, so you’ll hear all our songs.

Beerboy: First, you are going to hear our Anthem. You can download it if you want, - (www.fcporto.pt/sons/hino.zip ). After, the usual songs. (again, if you want to hear - link)

Vera_Teixeira: "Pronuncia do norte, somos nós, ânsia de vencer" (Author: The Northern accent,  It's us, The winning angst.)

9. If you follow the english league, what is your opinion on our team? who do you think will win this year?

l0uk0FCP: I think that it’s going to be Chelsea

mr.ti: Liverpool always have a good team and this year they have invested a lot, but I believe that MU and Chelsea are stronger.

Beerboy: Liverpool have a good team like all years, it’s a shame the others had better teams! I liked Millwall, but I’m having doubts because they’re not present on a major scale.

Serg7o^^: Excellent signings in attack with El Niño and Babel but I think that the defence is a little vulnerable. I think that Chelsea will win the league this year.


10. Which Liverpool player will you fear the most?

l0uK0FCP: Gerrard

Mr.ti: Crouch, more than anything because of his stature!

BeerBoy: The twelfth. YNWA is simply fantastic.

11. Liverpool recently announced plans for a new stadium, which we will use from 2010. You have been in the Estadio do Dragão for a few years now, what is your opinion of this stadium, and do you miss the Estadio das Antas?

l0uk0FCP: In terms of the conditions, the Estadio do Dragão is of course, much better, but the Estadio das Antas had a unique mystique. The Dragon does too but it’s not the same thing.

Mr.ti: I like the Dragão, it’s very practical and functional, and is amongst the best in Europe. Don’t talk about the Antas or I’ll cry…

Beerboy: Our Estadio das Antas… the true terror for the opposition… great days and nights that we will never better...

Serg70^^: It’s the most beautiful stadium in Europe. Do I miss it? The move is for better, so not much.

12. And finally, care to predict the score?

l0uk0FCP: I think that we’re going to win 2-1

Mr.ti: We win in the Dragão and draw at Anfield.

Beerboy: We’re going to win both games!



I'd like to say Obrigadissimo to the admin of Superdragoes and to each Portista that responded. Also a very special thank you to me missus for correcting my various Portuguese grammar mistakes and putting up with me massacring her native language.

The original thread can be found here: link (Portuguese)

I translated all the other answers from the thread that weren't included above, and put them here: link

© Ben Nelson, 2007
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Re: Spyin' Kop: FC Porto (Away) - 18th September 2007
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2007, 11:33:34 pm »
Thanks for that

Wasnt sure of the "defence is vulnerable" comment but good all the same
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Re: Spyin' Kop: FC Porto (Away) - 18th September 2007
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2007, 11:34:41 pm »
Nice one.

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Re: Spyin' Kop: FC Porto (Away) - 18th September 2007
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2007, 11:35:46 pm »
Cheers Slick,
but how the f*ck did Millwall get mentioned above?
It's true to say that if Shankly had told us to invade Poland we'd be queuing up 10 deep all the way from Anfield to the Pier Head.

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Re: Spyin' Kop: FC Porto (Away) - 18th September 2007
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2007, 11:37:43 pm »
Cheers Slick,
but how the f*ck did Millwall get mentioned above?

Innit.. almost spat me tea out when I read that answer for the first time. Bizarre!

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Re: Spyin' Kop: FC Porto (Away) - 18th September 2007
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2007, 11:43:55 pm »
Nice to see their appreciation of YNWA.
It's true to say that if Shankly had told us to invade Poland we'd be queuing up 10 deep all the way from Anfield to the Pier Head.

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Re: Spyin' Kop: FC Porto (Away) - 18th September 2007
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2007, 11:50:49 pm »
Cheers Slick,
but how the f*ck did Millwall get mentioned above?

They got into the UEFA Cup after the Mancs beat them in the FA Cup final.

I thought Ferencvaros knocked them out at the first hurdle, but I could be wrong.
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Re: Spyin' Kop: FC Porto (Away) - 18th September 2007
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2007, 11:51:53 pm »
In my opinion our defense is one of our best assets. I think the portugeuse lads look at them individually and maybe only Carragher stands out internationally. We are truly one of the best teams in Europe without the ball. They will find out on Tuesday. Anyway I am sure they believe they can beat us in an intimidating Estadio do Dragão but I think we can get all 3 points.
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Re: Spyin' Kop: FC Porto (Away) - 18th September 2007
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2007, 11:52:11 pm »
They got into the UEFA Cup after the Mancs beat them in the FA Cup final.

I thought Ferencvaros knocked them out at the first hurdle, but I could be wrong.

Top marks for mfletcher ;)
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Re: Spyin' Kop: FC Porto (Away) - 18th September 2007
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2007, 11:53:12 pm »
Top marks for mfletcher ;)

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Re: Spyin' Kop: FC Porto (Away) - 18th September 2007
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2007, 11:53:34 pm »
My genius is a burden I'm still learning to cope with.

I know the feeling :P
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Re: Spyin' Kop: FC Porto (Away) - 18th September 2007
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2007, 12:03:52 am »
Good stuff, glad they think our defence is vunerable, and push forward in numbers they might be in for a shock

I'd be happy with a draw, it set us up nicely last year against PSV, but I do think we can grab the win and take charge of the group from day 1
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Re: Spyin' Kop: FC Porto (Away) - 18th September 2007
« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2007, 12:14:11 am »
Good stuff, glad they think our defence is vunerable, and push forward in numbers they might be in for a shock

I'd be happy with a draw, it set us up nicely last year against PSV, but I do think we can grab the win and take charge of the group from day 1

Aye. I've been watching Porto's games this season, and to be honest, I'd take a draw in this away game. Having said that, it can be quite hard to compare the strengths of teams when they're in different leagues, maybe we are a lot stronger than them? The stadium looks magnificent tho' imo, really intimidating, will definetly make it more difficult. Wish I could be there but I can't get the Tuesday off work to travel :(

In my opinion our defense is one of our best assets. I think the portugeuse lads look at them individually and maybe only Carragher stands out internationally.

Agreed. I remember reading the 'defense is weak' comments last year in some Euro spyin kops too, and I think the main reason is that none of our lads are really famous names outside the UK. Suits me fine, they'll be in for a shock!
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Re: Spyin' Kop: FC Porto (Away) - 18th September 2007
« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2007, 01:43:13 am »
Nice one Slick_Beef. Nice to such respect from our opponents for our fans but still think they are underestimating the team a bit which is good for us I suppose. Also like how they value their entire team, and not put Quaresma above any other players. I look forward to seeing Leandro Lima if he gets to play for them- he was impressive in the U-20 world cup.
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Re: Spyin' Kop: FC Porto (Away) - 18th September 2007
« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2007, 03:50:16 am »
despite the 9th question I love these fans really. they value the whole team and trust their coach whatsoever. respectable.
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Re: Spyin' Kop: FC Porto (Away) - 18th September 2007
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2007, 09:24:35 am »
Listened to that anthem.

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Re: Spyin' Kop: FC Porto (Away) - 18th September 2007
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2007, 09:56:06 am »
Good read that Beef, some strange answers and some funny ones.

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Re: Spyin' Kop: FC Porto (Away) - 18th September 2007
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2007, 09:57:06 am »
it baffles me how people question our defence


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Re: Spyin' Kop: FC Porto (Away) - 18th September 2007
« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2007, 10:42:13 am »
Nice work slick-beef its good to hear the other sides view even though they haven't looked at the goals against column this season or last.
A win on Tuesday would be excellent but I'd take a draw and a win at Anfield when the fixture comes around.
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Re: Spyin' Kop: FC Porto (Away) - 18th September 2007
« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2007, 01:34:57 pm »
Nice one.

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Re: Spyin' Kop: FC Porto (Away) - 18th September 2007
« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2007, 02:15:29 pm »
Good read - can't believe Millwall got a mention though.
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Re: Spyin' Kop: FC Porto (Away) - 18th September 2007
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2007, 04:57:20 pm »
Rest of the translated answers are here in case anyone is curious: link

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Re: Spyin' Kop: FC Porto (Away) - 18th September 2007
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2007, 10:39:39 pm »

Great job with the translations. :D

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Re: Spyin' Kop: FC Porto (Away) - 18th September 2007
« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2007, 04:54:01 pm »
Intriguing lot....
- good to hear reverence for YNWA
-their belief in general about team ethic is commendable
-their view that our defense is weak is naive
-I was surprised no one asked them for their views on Mourinho ! would have elucidated some interesting answers.
-was delighted they spoke about MBE,Crouch,Torres,Babel
-was astonished they did'nt mention Don Rafel Benitez or is it the iberian rivalry???
-Queresma as we already know is their main attacking threat.
- their English sounded so much like Mourinho's.. I was imagining that Mourinho was reading those answers for me !

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Re: Spyin' Kop: FC Porto (Away) - 18th September 2007
« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2007, 04:57:12 pm »
-was delighted they spoke about MBE,Crouch,Torres,Babel


Who the fuck is MBE and when did we sign him? Are MBE his initials and his name is too long for you to bother to write it out?

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Re: Spyin' Kop: FC Porto (Away) - 18th September 2007
« Reply #25 on: September 17, 2007, 05:26:22 pm »

-I was surprised no one asked them for their views on Mourinho ! would have elucidated some interesting answers.

I did, but the answers were all positive and respectful of him, so like any good journalist I didn't include them ;)

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Re: Spyin' Kop: FC Porto (Away) - 18th September 2007
« Reply #26 on: September 17, 2007, 07:01:06 pm »
Cheers slick beef !
 They seem a good bunch of fans in that they are respectful of their previous manager, even though they may have some reason  to be angry at Mourinho's antics after he won the CL final with Porto(during the celebrations).

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Re: Spyin' Kop: FC Porto (Away) - 18th September 2007
« Reply #27 on: September 17, 2007, 07:28:14 pm »
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Re: Spyin' Kop: FC Porto (Away) - 18th September 2007
« Reply #28 on: September 17, 2007, 07:34:21 pm »
Not being funny but do they really think they will take 4 points off us, or even 6! Realistically they would do well to take 1 point off us. Thats not being arrogant, that is matter of fact.

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Re: Spyin' Kop: FC Porto (Away) - 18th September 2007
« Reply #29 on: September 17, 2007, 07:37:20 pm »
Not being funny but do they really think they will take 4 points off us, or even 6! Realistically they would do well to take 1 point off us. Thats not being arrogant, that is matter of fact.

Maybe, but we should be careful not to underestimate them. Remember Benfica?

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Re: Spyin' Kop: FC Porto (Away) - 18th September 2007
« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2007, 07:46:20 pm »
Maybe, but we should be careful not to underestimate them. Remember Benfica?
Ok but I dont see how they honestly believe that. Heart yes, but that is not an educated prediction with the head is it.

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Re: Spyin' Kop: FC Porto (Away) - 18th September 2007
« Reply #31 on: September 17, 2007, 08:20:56 pm »

They obviously don't really know a lot about us Tony, considering they think our defence is suspect for starters.

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Re: Spyin' Kop: FC Porto (Away) - 18th September 2007
« Reply #32 on: September 18, 2007, 01:24:30 pm »
Cheers Slick,
but how the f*ck did Millwall get mentioned above?
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Re: Spyin' Kop: FC Porto (Away) - 18th September 2007
« Reply #33 on: September 18, 2007, 02:11:46 pm »
They seem to be pretty confident of their strengths and the team will surely be up for it. They have better technical ability and have good free kick takers, which Rafa will know all about.

I think this is going to be a very cautious game from us, we cant just go on all-out attack  (remember Benfica?), made for Mascherano. Arbeloa, Torres, Gerrard and Kuyt will have their work cut out to keep control of the game high up. Pennant & babel will need to be at their best to help get us a breakthrough in this one.

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Re: Spyin' Kop: FC Porto (Away) - 18th September 2007
« Reply #34 on: September 18, 2007, 07:02:59 pm »
Excellent read that.
Nice work Slick_Beef.  :wave

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Re: Spyin' Kop: FC Porto (Away) - 18th September 2007
« Reply #35 on: September 19, 2007, 09:49:17 am »
I always enjoy reading these posts, it makes you realise a little more about how we are respected throughout Europe despite the best efforts of those jokers at UEFA.

Well done Slick, would've been interesting to hear their take on "simulation" though!! ;)
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