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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4360 on: February 17, 2014, 01:49:02 pm »
Yeah right.

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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4361 on: February 17, 2014, 02:00:00 pm »
You best have a look at why Barca's offer was '£5m short' - could be that Purslow had said he wouldn't sell to Inter - so that ruled out a bidding war or securing a good price with only 1 club interested - they (Barca) knew they had room to manouevre on the price. Also, LFC were up against the transfer window, and us alienating a player LFC'd agreed to let leave in that very transfer window after persuading him to give us another season rather than lose him and Alonso in the same season previously.

Like others have said - I'd believe the facts (and incompetence of Purslow and Hodgson, G&H, Ayre and others) rather than slate players and staff who gave us great memories and helped us get so close.


BTW do you ask yourself why the club made it 'difficult' for the player when the buying club were the ones offering '£5m' short?

Barca’s offer was £5m short because they had well and truly tapped up the player and they had encouraged him to force the move in the exact same way they did with Fabregas when he moved from Arsenal.

The guy fucked over the club and does not deserve the respect he gets, particularly given the reception Torres gets now.

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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4362 on: February 17, 2014, 02:04:13 pm »
and he's coming out with this now because...
Because it no longer harms us as all this disgraceful chapter has blown over.

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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4363 on: February 17, 2014, 02:06:04 pm »
Why is he saying this now. Eyeing up a move back?
Then in the midddle out pops a smiling glen johnson pulling up his jersey to reveal a t-shirt of suarez with a text saying. "OUR SUAREZ IS A FRIEND TO ALL COLOURS!"

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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4364 on: February 17, 2014, 02:06:32 pm »
Took only three paragraphs before contradicting the statement made in the thread title. Pass.
I read that as a typo

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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4365 on: February 17, 2014, 02:06:36 pm »
Barca’s offer was £5m short because they had well and truly tapped up the player and they had encouraged him to force the move in the exact same way they did with Fabregas when he moved from Arsenal.

The guy fucked over the club and does not deserve the respect he gets, particularly given the reception Torres gets now.

Both he and Torres were told huge great whopping lies by purslow and the two Americans.

I would have wanted to leave in those circumstances too.
He would have probably still been here if it weren't for the shambles in charge.

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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4366 on: February 17, 2014, 02:10:29 pm »
My understanding was that he agreed to play on another season with Rafa the summer before and that we'd then let him leave. I think the Barca bargained a bit hard and we treated him badly forcing him to pay the difference and put in a transfer request. IMO it was a bit shit by us considering promises made. FSG have done better in difficult situations though. We let Meireles go without too much fuss after promises were made by prior owners that FSG weren't keen to honour.
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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4367 on: February 17, 2014, 02:15:58 pm »
Well we made Suarez's move difficult didn't we?
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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4368 on: February 17, 2014, 02:17:02 pm »
Well we made Suarez's move difficult didn't we?
We were on the verge of bankruptcy, we aren't now.
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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4369 on: February 17, 2014, 02:17:11 pm »
That midfield of Alonso, Gerrard, Mascherano.

That is all.

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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4370 on: February 17, 2014, 02:22:32 pm »
Barca’s offer was £5m short because they had well and truly tapped up the player and they had encouraged him to force the move in the exact same way they did with Fabregas when he moved from Arsenal.

The guy fucked over the club and does not deserve the respect he gets, particularly given the reception Torres gets now.


Barca may have tapped him up - though that doesn't explain why Purslow stated he wouldn't sell him to Inter does it? Did Inter tap him up too - only to be told that Masch wouldn't be sold to them?

Either way, ruling out the other club interested in a player will normally result in price dropping, no? I don't see how that is the player's fault - nor how that is fucking the club over (other than Purslow cutting off his nose to spite his face and costing the club money).
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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4371 on: February 17, 2014, 02:25:37 pm »
That midfield of Alonso, Gerrard, Mascherano.

That is all.

That midfield thrashed Real Madrid 4-0 and the mancs 4-1 at Old Trafford in a space of 4 days.

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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4372 on: February 17, 2014, 02:27:12 pm »
Barca may have tapped him up - though that doesn't explain why Purslow stated he wouldn't sell him to Inter does it? Did Inter tap him up too - only to be told that Masch wouldn't be sold to them?
Isn't that obvious? Purslow despised the manager of Inter at the time, one Rafael Benitez, and was certainly petty enough to block the signing because of that.

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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4373 on: February 17, 2014, 02:41:46 pm »
If you choose to believe the likes of Purslow and Hodgson along with the two cancers over Javier. Then more fool you
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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4374 on: February 17, 2014, 02:49:08 pm »
I read that as a typo

Okay. Still, I'll pass on reading the rest.

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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4375 on: February 17, 2014, 02:50:22 pm »
My favourite player when he was here - was gutted when he left but understood why.

Always doubted that he had refused to play, and I'm inclined to believe his side of things.
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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4376 on: February 17, 2014, 03:28:05 pm »
Definitely a favorite player of mine he gave blood, sweat and guts for us on the pitch. I remember feeling a little bitter and disappointed about how he left at the time but looking back I dont think any of us were feeling great about the whole direction the club was going. Hodgson and Purslow. Shudder

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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4377 on: February 17, 2014, 03:39:26 pm »
That midfield thrashed Real Madrid 4-0 and the mancs 4-1 at Old Trafford in a space of 4 days.

Two thirds of it did against United. Lucas played instead of Alonso that day.

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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4378 on: February 17, 2014, 03:40:44 pm »
I reckon Torres also left for the same reasons. He once mentioned empty promises. Ahh, those four (you know who) ruined our club so much, set us back five years. We could possibly have been reigning PL champions by now if things carried on from 2009. Just so many things went wrong for this great club.

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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4379 on: February 17, 2014, 03:43:14 pm »
His best game imo which many forget was Inter away. I'd never seen a DM so possessed. He was world class that day
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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4380 on: February 17, 2014, 04:14:55 pm »
It really doesnt matter whether or not he refused to play. Expecially after 3 and half years.

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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4381 on: February 17, 2014, 04:15:49 pm »
Two thirds of it did against United. Lucas played instead of Alonso that day.
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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4382 on: February 17, 2014, 04:17:15 pm »
We could possibly have been reigning PL champions by now if things carried on from 2009.
I hate watching City play as they have two players in Silva and Jovetic that could and should have been ours that summer...fuck.

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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4383 on: February 17, 2014, 04:30:04 pm »
and he's coming out with this now because...
Because he's playing at Man City tomorrow for the first time since it was claimed that he'd refuse to play there.

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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4384 on: February 17, 2014, 04:32:06 pm »
Loved Mascherano when he was here. Forgiven and forgotten long ago in my eyes.

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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4385 on: February 17, 2014, 04:36:41 pm »
Purslow's refusal to sell him to Inter was probably the reason he took to extreme measures.

Fuck off Purslow.

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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4386 on: February 17, 2014, 05:09:03 pm »
Barca may have tapped him up - though that doesn't explain why Purslow stated he wouldn't sell him to Inter does it? Did Inter tap him up too - only to be told that Masch wouldn't be sold to them?

Either way, ruling out the other club interested in a player will normally result in price dropping, no? I don't see how that is the player's fault - nor how that is fucking the club over (other than Purslow cutting off his nose to spite his face and costing the club money).

You honestly think that if Inter had bid more than Barcelona we wouldn’t have taken the money ?

How often does a club say a player is not for sale only for him to be gone a couple of weeks later ?

 To give another example at Utd did Ferguson not say “he would not sell that mob a virus” not too long before he sold Ronaldo to Real Madrid ?

You would prefer to blame Purslow than the player, thats fine and your opinion.  Look at the facts though, the player was tapped up made a big fuss internally and only cared about himself, he did not give a shit that the club who had supported him for the last few years was not making a penny on the transfer fee even though  he was leaving as a much better player.

The issue I have is the consistency, Torres received the abuse while Masch seems to be treated as a fallen hero by some,  I’d rather take market value from Chelsea then get fucked over by Barcelona….

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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4387 on: February 17, 2014, 05:27:34 pm »
I hate watching City play as they have two players in Silva and Jovetic that could and should have been ours that summer...fuck.

A lot of people forget, willfully or otherwise, just how many top class players Benitez wanted but didn't get.  It's not worth torturing ourselves with now, but who knows what kind of side he would've put together with some decent owners backing him.

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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4388 on: February 17, 2014, 05:29:53 pm »
You honestly think that if Inter had bid more than Barcelona we wouldn’t have taken the money ?

Where did I say that? I said two clubs were interested in Mascherano - but Purlsow said he wouldn't sell to one of them (Inter) and so Barca lowered their offer - knowing they were the only club in for him. That's not the player's fault - that's Purslows.

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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4389 on: February 17, 2014, 05:31:36 pm »
You honestly think that if Inter had bid more than Barcelona we wouldn’t have taken the money ?
Yes. Purslow would not sell to Benitez.

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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4390 on: February 17, 2014, 05:37:12 pm »
Yes. Purslow would not sell to Benitez.

If they had bid more than Barca he would have had to, you think the parasites running the club would have taken less money because of a personal problem ?

Would not have happened….

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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4391 on: February 17, 2014, 05:40:18 pm »
Despite what happened when he left, I only remember the absolute beast of a midfielder he was. After he was gone I'd panic if a team started breaking against us, but with him in the side you knew he'd come flying out of nowhere and take the ball off them. Guess the feeling might be different if he screwed us over and went to another English club, suppose that's why Torres gets so much shit.

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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4392 on: February 17, 2014, 05:42:40 pm »
If they had bid more than Barca he would have had to, you think the parasites running the club would have taken less money because of a personal problem ?

Would not have happened….
Purslow was 'running the club'.

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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4393 on: February 17, 2014, 05:53:36 pm »
A lot of water has or should of passed under the bridge since that time. Must be a slow news day some where!

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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4394 on: February 17, 2014, 05:54:00 pm »
You know what I know?  After winning the CL with his new team Barcelona, without any prompting from anyone and completely of his own volition he did the following;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPJ4MdUvn98

Anyone slagging him off over Purslow or Hodgson are bonkers.

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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4395 on: February 17, 2014, 05:54:50 pm »
Purslow was 'running the club'.

True - i should have said parasites "owning the club"

There are some screwed up MD's in the world, but not to many would turn down millions for their business to make a point.  It's also not like he would have been able to do it without anyone finding out.

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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4396 on: February 17, 2014, 05:56:19 pm »
You know what I know?  After winning the CL with his new team Barcelona, without any prompting from anyone and completely of his own volition he did the following;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPJ4MdUvn98

Anyone slagging him off over Purslow or Hodgson are bonkers.

You’re quite right, never mind £5m-£7M a nice word in an interview is all it takes for our fans……………

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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4397 on: February 17, 2014, 05:57:02 pm »
Purslow was 'ruining the club'.
Fixed that for you
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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4398 on: February 17, 2014, 05:57:26 pm »
You’re quite right, never mind £5m-£7M a nice word in an interview is all it takes for our fans……………

You imply we would have seen that money ...

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Re: Javier Mascherano "I did not refuse to play against City"
« Reply #4399 on: February 17, 2014, 06:06:45 pm »
You imply we would have seen that money ...

On that we agree, would probably have gone straight onto those interest payments.

The principle remains though…….