Author Topic: Javier Mascherano (Read 403976 times)

its cold in the stands · « **Reply #3280 on:** December 14, 2009, 10:41:04 pm »

Quote from: L12 on December 14, 2009, 10:31:19 pm

Would make a great captain, soon please.

yeah i agree, gerrard is possibly the best player i have ever seen in a red shirt but he`s not a captain imo, he wears his heart on his sleeve, anyone can see that he thinks half his team mates arent good enough.
mascherano should get the armband.

killer-heels · « **Reply #3281 on:** December 14, 2009, 10:42:26 pm »

I have been his biggest critic but even I have to concede that he has been excellent since Argentina qualified for the world cup, and was brilliant yesterday.

He is still off to Barca next summer though.

Neil D · « **Reply #3282 on:** December 14, 2009, 10:43:50 pm »

Quote from: killer_heels on December 14, 2009, 10:42:26 pm

I have been his biggest critic but even I have to concede that he has been excellent since Argentina qualified for the world cup, and was brilliant yesterday.

He is still off to Barca next summer though.

I doubt it. I think he'll sign a new deal and we'll get another couple of years out of him,

BCCC · « **Reply #3283 on:** December 14, 2009, 10:46:30 pm »

Quote from: Neil D on December 14, 2009, 10:43:50 pm

I doubt it. I think he'll sign a new deal and we'll get another couple of years out of him,

The only way that'll happen is if Argentina win the World Cup otherwise he's a gonner.

Neil D · « **Reply #3284 on:** December 14, 2009, 10:50:59 pm »

Quote from: BCCC on December 14, 2009, 10:46:30 pm

The only way that'll happen is if Argentina win the World Cup otherwise he's a gonner.

Let's be honest mate none of us know what his intentions are do we?

It will all depend on this new deal and what position we are in come May

Yorkykopite · « **Reply #3285 on:** December 15, 2009, 08:33:35 am »

Quote from: L12 on December 14, 2009, 10:31:19 pm

Would make a great captain, soon please.

The thing is he'd have to start talking to Rafa again.

Brentieke · « **Reply #3286 on:** December 15, 2009, 08:36:51 am »

Quote from: yorkykopite on December 15, 2009, 08:33:35 am

The thing is he'd have to start talking to Rafa again.

He's not?

Yorkykopite · « **Reply #3287 on:** December 15, 2009, 08:38:30 am »

Quote from: Brentie on December 15, 2009, 08:36:51 am

He's not?

Not since the end of last season.

rocco · « **Reply #3288 on:** December 15, 2009, 08:57:42 am »

Quote from: BCCC on December 14, 2009, 10:46:30 pm

The only way that'll happen is if Argentina win the World Cup otherwise he's a gonner.

Why would that make him stay ?

rocco · « **Reply #3289 on:** December 15, 2009, 09:00:45 am »

Would be a huge loss ....... especially if his heart and mind is with us ..... always had him down for a future captain for us ..

PaulF · « **Reply #3290 on:** December 15, 2009, 10:10:34 am »

Quote from: Legendary on December 14, 2009, 08:07:59 pm

If he goes to Barca, I think we will miss his presence and awareness, something that Lucas (even though i think he's a good tackler and has a great work rate) has yet to bring to LFC.

You only have to look and see how much we are missing Alonso to realise how foolish it would be for us to let a top notch player, already integrated into the team and the city go.

Obviously , if he wants to go, then he goes. But no way should we encourage him to leave under the misapprehension that we can easily replace him with another midfield destroyer.

L12 · « **Reply #3291 on:** December 15, 2009, 11:13:16 am »

Quote from: yorkykopite on December 15, 2009, 08:38:30 am

Not since the end of last season.

If that's true it would make for tension in the dressing room. Where did you get that from?

xerxes1 · « **Reply #3292 on:** December 15, 2009, 11:27:48 am »

Masch is irreplaceable like for like, he is about the best in the world in his position.

The vibe appears to be that a move to Spain ( Spanish speaking, nice weather, scenery etc) is likely. We will miss him, and i think many Reds fail to appreciate what we have. The recent trend of dissing perfectly decent players (Warnock / Bellamy/Crouch/Keane/ Barry) has ill served us. Many fail to acknowledge that he has achieved more in his career than Torres or Gerrard.

The summer will be key.If we fail to qualify for the CL, and need cash he is the likely sacrifice.The World Cup will also provide the perfect platform for him to either negotiate a lucrative new deal with us, or a big oney move.A January move makes no sense for him, or us.

shockwave_dave · « **Reply #3293 on:** December 15, 2009, 11:31:18 am »

Quote from: yorkykopite on December 15, 2009, 08:38:30 am

Not since the end of last season.

Why? Anything about Barca?

carling · « **Reply #3294 on:** December 15, 2009, 12:20:01 pm »

Quote from: STORMTROOPER on December 14, 2009, 07:50:11 pm

was the turning point in the game yesterday when mascherano picked up that knock. he was by far the best player on the pitch up untill that moment.

reminded me of how we fell to pieces defensively in one o the champions league semi's against chelsea as soon as he went off. lampard hadn't had a kick all game and then he scored 2 as soon as mascherano went off.

don't think some of our supporters realise how good mascherano is and how much our team is gonna go backwards if he leaves in the summer.

Right on the money there mate!

McManamanamanaman · « **Reply #3295 on:** December 15, 2009, 01:46:35 pm »

Quote from: xerxes1 on December 15, 2009, 11:27:48 am

Masch is irreplaceable like for like, he is about the best in the world in his position.

The vibe appears to be that a move to Spain ( Spanish speaking, nice weather, scenery etc) is likely. We will miss him, and i think many Reds fail to appreciate what we have. The recent trend of dissing perfectly decent players (Warnock / Bellamy/Crouch/Keane/ Barry) has ill served us. Many fail to acknowledge that he has achieved more in his career than Torres or Gerrard.

Agree with all. Season stats with Mascherno playing, Games played 24, wins 15, draws 7, losses 2.
http://www.footballanorak.com/Javier-Mascherano-pid-1596.html

He's important, and not responsible for too many draws, which is clearly where we're falling down this year.

carling · « **Reply #3296 on:** December 15, 2009, 02:04:25 pm »

Quote from: xerxes1 on December 15, 2009, 11:27:48 am

Many fail to acknowledge that he has achieved more in his career than Torres or Gerrard.

Um ...

lionel_messias · « **Reply #3297 on:** December 15, 2009, 04:43:11 pm »

Even Mascherano would struggle to win the European Championship, with Argentina mate!

If he decides to leave that's fine, my price is £50 Million.

Yorkykopite · « **Reply #3298 on:** December 15, 2009, 06:20:54 pm »

Quote from: L12 on December 15, 2009, 11:13:16 am

If that's true it would make for tension in the dressing room. Where did you get that from?

Sorry, I wouldn't like to say.

RyanBabel19 · « **Reply #3299 on:** December 15, 2009, 08:48:04 pm »

Quote from: yorkykopite on December 15, 2009, 08:33:35 am

The thing is he'd have to start talking to Rafa again.

Didnt rafa say they held positive talks not long ago ?

killer-heels · « **Reply #3300 on:** December 15, 2009, 10:32:25 pm »

Quote from: lionel_messias on December 15, 2009, 04:43:11 pm

Even Mascherano would struggle to win the European Championship, with Argentina mate!

If he decides to leave that's fine, my price is £50 Million.

How long has he got on his contract? Is it 2 years after this season or is it 18 months?

I doubt we will be getting Xabi money for him, probably looking at about 20-25m max. We can't even afford to have him sit it out another season either as his value would drop, unlike Alonso who could have stayed one more year and still have 2 full seasons left on his contract.

I don't see how he will now do a U-turn and stay. According to the speculation, he wanted to leave for reasons other than success and the lure of Barca, a spanish speaking nation, sun etc. was too great. I don't see how he will change his mind now. Which makes the badge kissing all the more ridiculous.

Anyway, as others have said, I won't be as fussed to lose him as I was when we lost Alonso. There are a fair few players that can do a similar role, unlike Alonso's of whom there are very, very few.

Neil D · « **Reply #3301 on:** December 16, 2009, 11:51:39 am »

Quote from: killer_heels on December 15, 2009, 10:32:25 pm

How long has he got on his contract? Is it 2 years after this season or is it 18 months?

I doubt we will be getting Xabi money for him, probably looking at about 20-25m max. We can't even afford to have him sit it out another season either as his value would drop, unlike Alonso who could have stayed one more year and still have 2 full seasons left on his contract.

I don't see how he will now do a U-turn and stay. According to the speculation, he wanted to leave for reasons other than success and the lure of Barca, a spanish speaking nation, sun etc. was too great. I don't see how he will change his mind now. Which makes the badge kissing all the more ridiculous.

Anyway, as others have said, I won't be as fussed to lose him as I was when we lost Alonso. There are a fair few players that can do a similar role, unlike Alonso's of whom there are very, very few.

No chance would we only get £20m for Mascherano. We'd sell him for £25m to £30m minimum.

Nothing wrong with badge kissing when you mean it and always give your all. Which Masch does. You can see how much that goal meant to him, you can see what a bond he has with the fans and his love for the club won't change even if he does eventually move on in his career.

Baz1LFC · « **Reply #3302 on:** December 16, 2009, 11:58:28 am »

Some of are fans need a wake up call. The likes of Masch an Torres will not be here for life if he moves on yeah give him his due and wish him all the best. A fella the other day said " torres is a scouser he wouldnt leave". He left Atletico his boyhood club to come here an when the time is right he will move on again. Same with Masch being from south america he probably dreamed of playing for Barca or Real an the fact Messi's there too an he looks like he will be there for life.
I hope to god he stays for a few more years because he seems like he really does care about the club you seen what his goal meant to him in the derby he was going mad.

xerxes1 · « **Reply #3303 on:** December 16, 2009, 12:10:37 pm »

Quote from: Baz1LFC on December 16, 2009, 11:58:28 am

Some of are fans need a wake up call. The likes of Masch an Torres will not be here for life if he moves on yeah give him his due and wish him all the best. A fella the other day said " torres is a scouser he wouldnt leave". He left Atletico his boyhood club to come here an when the time is right he will move on again. Same with Masch being from south america he probably dreamed of playing for the Barca or Real an the fact Mess's there too an he looks like he will be there for life.

Wise words.

Neil D · « **Reply #3304 on:** December 16, 2009, 12:17:55 pm »

Quote from: Baz1LFC on December 16, 2009, 11:58:28 am

Some of are fans need a wake up call. The likes of Masch an Torres will not be here for life if he moves on yeah give him his due and wish him all the best. A fella the other day said " torres is a scouser he wouldnt leave". He left Atletico his boyhood club to come here an when the time is right he will move on again. Same with Masch being from south america he probably dreamed of playing for Barca or Real an the fact Messi's there too an he looks like he will be there for life.
I hope to god he stays for a few more years because he seems like he really does care about the club you seen what his goal meant to him in the derby he was going mad.

Exactly mate. Xabi is a great example - he loved us and he loved the club but it was time in his career to move on to a new challenge back in Spain so you have to wish him well and say thanks. As long as players give their all when they are here and leave in the right way I don't see how you can accuse them of being disloyal.

Hoofmaster_JAY · « **Reply #3305 on:** December 16, 2009, 12:19:18 pm »

Yep
Agreed .

Keens · « **Reply #3306 on:** December 16, 2009, 04:05:09 pm »

Masch has been playing very well lately, and his attitude has changed. if he wants to go in the near future, wish him well. I agree, as long as he gives 100% for us whilst here I'll wish him well

Franck Le Poof · « **Reply #3307 on:** December 16, 2009, 10:19:01 pm »

I'll admit earlier in the season I doubted whether his heart was in it and wondered if his best performances in a red shirt were behind him. Full credit to him, he's really come back into form the last few matches and his 'destroyer' capabilities seem to be back to their best. Time and again he broke Wigan's play into pieces on his own - which is really saying something, considering Gerrard seemed to get caught forward today on numerous occasions.

An on-form and motivated Mascherano is integral to our aspirations.

rafathegaffa83 · « **Reply #3308 on:** December 16, 2009, 10:21:17 pm »

He was excellent tonight. Glad to see him returning to form with force.

RyanBabel19 · « **Reply #3309 on:** December 16, 2009, 10:22:32 pm »

Quality tonight, the yellow was a shame since he slipped just as he was about to make the tackle. He's an example to everyone right now though, giving everything he's got for us.

buzzing · « **Reply #3310 on:** December 16, 2009, 10:23:35 pm »

Not the greatest of passers. But all it takes is one tackle and it lifts the crowd and team

John C · « **Reply #3311 on:** December 16, 2009, 11:14:49 pm »

Yossi has been the player of 2009 but Masch has been the player of this month and indeed the last 6 weeks or so. Awesome tonight, well motivated and looking for that forward pass he is supposed to be bereft of. Well done, once again Mash.

Robbo1980 · « **Reply #3312 on:** December 16, 2009, 11:16:19 pm »

I said it another thread but IMO he is the true leader of this team right now.
Class again. Great to have him back.

Roger Federer · « **Reply #3313 on:** December 17, 2009, 04:47:00 pm »

Quote from: John C on December 16, 2009, 11:14:49 pm

Yossi has been the player of 2009 but Masch has been the player of this month and indeed the last 6 weeks or so. Awesome tonight, well motivated and looking for that forward pass he is supposed to be bereft of. Well done, once again Mash.

It's not really the forward passes that is the problem in my opinion - even though he misplaced quite a few against Wigan - it's the time he takes getting the ball under control, and pass it on. His first time pass isn't great (not even under pressure, he put an easy one out to touch yesterday, and that has happened a few times this season), niether is his control, and he makes weird decisions when on the ball sometimes. He did a similar thing to what happened against Chelsea yesterday, dribbling into two-three opponents, losing the ball, and allowing Wigan to break forward.

I think he needs to improve these things, cause all of them lead to us having the ball less. To often Mascherano, or the player he passes to, doesn't have enough time to play a good pass, and we just hoof it forward instead (atleast the defenders do).

That said, he looks back to his best when it comes to pressing and ball-winning, and I'd always play him in our midfield. No one have that aggression and it's noticable whenever we're without him.

azer · « **Reply #3314 on:** December 17, 2009, 05:09:33 pm »

Great performance last night. Complemented Gerrard in the middle and showed that a real issue we have at the moment is that Lucas is not good enough for the midfield.

the_prodigal_s0n · « **Reply #3315 on:** December 17, 2009, 05:10:27 pm »

Quote from: azer on December 17, 2009, 05:09:33 pm

Great performance last night. Complemented Gerrard in the middle and showed that a real issue we have at the moment is that Lucas is not good enough for the midfield.

Nah, the main problem is that Aurelio is shite.

rattusdei · « **Reply #3316 on:** December 17, 2009, 05:35:15 pm »

Quote from: killer_heels on December 15, 2009, 10:32:25 pm

Anyway, as others have said, I won't be as fussed to lose him as I was when we lost Alonso. There are a fair few players that can do a similar role, unlike Alonso's of whom there are very, very few.

mascherano is absolutely vital to the way rafa plays. xabi was replaceable (let us not forget rafa trying to offload him). losing mascherano without a ready replacement (lucas? spearing? lol plessis?) would screw us up royally.

the_prodigal_s0n · « **Reply #3317 on:** December 17, 2009, 05:37:17 pm »

Quote from: rattusdei on December 17, 2009, 05:35:15 pm

mascherano is absolutely vital to the way rafa plays.

So was Sissoko.

Quote from: rattusdei on December 17, 2009, 05:35:15 pm

xabi was replaceable (let us not forget rafa trying to offload him).

Just beacuse Rafa attempted to sell him does it mean that he was repleacable. He is a very unique type of player.

rattusdei · « **Reply #3318 on:** December 17, 2009, 05:42:48 pm »

Can't sell Mascherano without a replacement, and right now, the nearest similar player would be Lucas. Lucas is not quite the destroyer Mascherano is.

Until a replacement is ready, Rafa won't sell.

Can only hope Maradona, in a rare moment of sanity, convinces masch to stay a little longer at Liverpool for his own good.

otitito · « **Reply #3319 on:** December 17, 2009, 05:50:10 pm »

Quote from: John C on December 16, 2009, 11:14:49 pm

Yossi has been the player of 2009 but Masch has been the player of this month and indeed the last 6 weeks or so. Awesome tonight, well motivated and looking for that forward pass he is supposed to be bereft of. Well done, once again Mash.

Agreed. First month or 6 weeks of the season, he's a passenger. Truly picked up his form after Argentina qualified for the WC.