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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #280 on: April 23, 2007, 05:55:42 am »
Is Mascherano 1 booking away from a ban?
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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #281 on: April 23, 2007, 06:42:41 am »
Mascherano has 1 yellow, as do a lot of other Liverpool players.  If the Chelsea games get physical and or the ref gets carried away, we would have more concerns about certain players including Mascherano missing the final in Athens.  I think only Pennant is on 2 yellows, making him most at risk for missing the return leg.  (Kuyt and Sissoko have received 3 yellows, but have served their suspensions.)

http://www.uefa.com/competitions/ucl/statistics/players/typestat=yc/index.html
http://www.uefa.com/competitions/ucl/players/player=104264/index.html

Many more Chelsea players have received 2 yellows, so the risk of some of them missing the return leg is high.

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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #282 on: April 23, 2007, 06:45:59 am »
  (Kuyt and Sissoko have received 3 yellows, but have served their suspensions.)

http://www.uefa.com/competitions/ucl/statistics/players/typestat=yc/index.html
http://www.uefa.com/competitions/ucl/players/player=104264/index.html

Many more Chelsea players have received 2 yellows, so the risk of some of them missing the return leg is high.

maybe another reason for Sissoko to start at stamford bridge

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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #283 on: April 23, 2007, 07:33:52 am »
I don't have any doubt that Momo will start at the 'Bridge. Games like this are where the big man plays his best and I really think with no Esssien and possibly no Ballack he could tear their midfield to shreads.

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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #284 on: April 23, 2007, 08:00:55 am »
Agreed, I think Momo will run riot all over their midfield

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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #285 on: April 23, 2007, 08:19:58 am »
Think the back four and midfield are a near certainty, just a question of who plays upfront. One of Kuyt or Crouch.

Mascherano won't start, I'm fairly sure of that. I think he is a fantastic player, but Xabi and Sissoko have proved to be such a good partnership in big European games that it would be almost a crime not to start them together, with Stevie (although I don't think it's his best positions, prefer him on the right) will play behind the striker; giving Makelele a job to do, and although I rate Makelele, I can't see him managing to keep tabs on Stevie for the whole game, with his energy and movement.

Pennant will likely start wide to stretch things and given his recent form, I think deservedly. I think this may play a part in the decision of who to play upfront, and it may mean that Rafa will go with Crouch. No point try to second guess the man however, he could well suprise us all - and probably will.

No doubt Riise will start on the other flank. Mark needs time to settle in and probably isn't ready for a game like this, and although Riise's form has been questionable, his experience at this level, and his performances against Chelsea in the past, signal that he is an almost certainty to start on the left hand side, with Gerrard tucked between the two wingers in a 4-5-1. A sturdy back four of Finnan, Carragher, Agger and Arbeloa is probably the only sure thing for this game, other than Pepe in goal.

Although I think a 4-5-1 is fairly predictable, or to be more precise a 4-2-3-1, I think Rafa's tactics/game plan are almost impossible to read. While he send this fairly defensive (I'd say solid, stable or organised, rather than defensive), that doesn't mean we will sit back. The energy we have in the side means that we might take the game to Chelsea in the first 15, catching them off guard and scoring an early goal with a tight side to keep a clean sheet (or only conceding 1) after that, which that side in particular, is more than capable of doing against a tired Chelsea side.

It's going to be interesting. The only thing we can be certain of is that Rafa will suprise us.
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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #286 on: April 23, 2007, 08:41:31 am »
from Alan Green on R5 this morning:  "Carvalho was not rested, he was injured and is a major doubt for the game on Wednesday". Cue JM bleating on about how he has the inferior squad, lfc are only playing for one competition and have all the advantages, etc.

Of course I want to beat cheslea over the two legs, but the fact that its the moaning mourinho would make it just that tiny bit sweeter.

But the key words here are:  win over the two legs.  I get the impression some fans think we can settle the tie on Wed, and that will be incredibly difficult to do.  Even if we win there, we've lost once before at Anfield 4-1 and whilst we have better players now, let's not get carried away and take things for granted.

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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #287 on: April 23, 2007, 08:48:53 am »
My team would be:


---------------Reina----------------
Finnan----Carra--Dagger---Arbeloa

Pennant----Momo---Xabi----Riise

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A 4-5-1 when Chelsea have the ball and a 4-2-2-1-1 or a 4-4-1-1 when we are attacking

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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #288 on: April 23, 2007, 08:54:59 am »
Even if we win there, we've lost once before at Anfield 4-1 and whilst we have better players now, let's not get carried away and take things for granted.
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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #289 on: April 23, 2007, 09:01:16 am »
http://csrforums2.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=3298

Goodness, they don't half like to bend the truth don't they. Using already debunked and obviously inaccurate video.
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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #290 on: April 23, 2007, 09:19:32 am »
http://csrforums2.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=3298

Goodness, they don't half like to bend the truth don't they. Using already debunked and obviously inaccurate video.


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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #291 on: April 23, 2007, 09:33:50 am »
they still cant understand that cech would have been sent off and we would have been awarded a penalty. twats.
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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #292 on: April 23, 2007, 09:43:05 am »
Just read the ref for the game is Russian.

Sure hope Roman doesn't have anything to do with that. ::)
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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #293 on: April 23, 2007, 09:45:31 am »
http://www.referee.ru/levnikov/img/07_.jpg

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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #294 on: April 23, 2007, 09:50:04 am »
http://www.referee.ru/levnikov/img/07_.jpg

Nikolay Levnikov

The Russian Ref officiating on wednesday.

Lets hope he plays it straight.
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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #295 on: April 23, 2007, 09:59:27 am »
I don't have any doubt that Momo will start at the 'Bridge. Games like this are where the big man plays his best and I really think with no Esssien and possibly no Ballack he could tear their midfield to shreads.

Possibly. But you can't beat ball retention. Which is why I think Mascherano will start.
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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #296 on: April 23, 2007, 10:01:01 am »
We'll lose this one then.

Why? The Russians have even more reason to hate the emblezzler than we do.
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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #297 on: April 23, 2007, 10:02:52 am »
Just read the ref for the game is Russian.

Sure hope Roman doesn't have anything to do with that. ::)

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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #298 on: April 23, 2007, 10:03:40 am »
Possibly. But you can't beat ball retention. Which is why I think Mascherano will start.

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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #299 on: April 23, 2007, 10:20:02 am »
Possibly. But you can't beat ball retention. Which is why I think Mascherano will start.
On form it's clearly Mascherano but Chelsea are a strong physical side and Rafa may want Momo to do a job on them again.

I wonder also if Rafa will try and be positive in this first leg. Chelsea do not really play wingers any more and play very centrally. He may think he can get away with Riise at left back and Pennant or Gerrard on the left to get at their weak right back. In the FA Cup semi Rafa had Riise and Kewell murdering their right side as all their midfield players were in the diamond. I expect something similar.

Kuyt would then drop in the hole on Makelele as he did at the Nou Camp to make it a 5 without the ball.

If Carvalho is missing then it has to be Bellamy against Boulharouz and Terry who are both painfully slow.

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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #300 on: April 23, 2007, 11:12:53 am »
Good news about Carvalho if it is true. With these injuries they have, you have to wonder if Benitez tactics may change a little and we should go at them more. I personally think we have a better chance at winning at the Bridge than at Anfield. Lots of talking of just playing for Crouch but could be inclined to play two up top?
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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #301 on: April 23, 2007, 11:33:25 am »
Our team has heart, passion and huge self belief but they are human and they definately do respond to us, the fans, anybody going on Wednesday (and at Anfield for the 2nd leg) SIMPLY HAS TO GIVE 100% SUPPORT, non stop singing, chanting, a wall of noise, the Chelsea have to understand that we wont stop, OUR players have to see us giving 100% not stopping for a minute supporting them continually.

Swinging scarfs, flags, banners really going for it, we all know it really makes a difference we are the 12th man, its not just a saying we make a difference to our team and them.

BUT we have to perform, we cant expect others to get the songs going, if you hear somebody making an effort to get a song going JOIN IN, dont wait for it to take off be one of the first to get it going, others round you will respond, we need people willing to get songs going or joining in earlier, EVERYBODY please make the effort.

At Anfield for the second leg no matter where you sit get singing, scarfs & flags out, dont stop making noise, contest every decision, shout for everything, scream for penalties, every one of their tackles is a foul against and we must pressure the ref on every tackle, remember the 2nd leg in 2005, we need that again MORE IF WE CAN!


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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #302 on: April 23, 2007, 11:53:48 am »
http://www.referee.ru/levnikov/img/07_.jpg

Nikolay Levnikov

The Russian Ref officiating on wednesday.

Lets hope he plays it straight.

Lets hope UEFA have not had a word with him to ensure it's not an LFC v MUFC final!
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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #303 on: April 23, 2007, 11:55:52 am »
Just read the ref for the game is Russian.

Sure hope Roman doesn't have anything to do with that. ::)

Semi-finals - 25 April 2007 20:45 (CET) - Stamford Bridge - London
Referee
Markus Merk (GER)
Assistant referee
Jan-Hendrik Salver (GER) Carsten Kadach (GER)
Fourth official
Felix Brych (GER)

UEFA Referee observer
Nikolay Levnikov (RUS)

http://www.uefa.com/competitions/ucl/fixturesresults/round=2360/match=300136/report=lu.html

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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #304 on: April 23, 2007, 12:03:50 pm »
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Referee
Markus Merk (GER)

This is excellent news. He often does the Referee job at the bundesliga...and I can't say anything bad about him. He is fair and most of the time strict.

ETA: his wikipedia profile for those who care: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markus_Merk
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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #305 on: April 23, 2007, 12:04:57 pm »
Semi-finals - 25 April 2007 20:45 (CET) - Stamford Bridge - London
Referee
Markus Merk (GER)
Assistant referee
Jan-Hendrik Salver (GER) Carsten Kadach (GER)
Fourth official
Felix Brych (GER)

UEFA Referee observer
Nikolay Levnikov (RUS)

http://www.uefa.com/competitions/ucl/fixturesresults/round=2360/match=300136/report=lu.html

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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #306 on: April 23, 2007, 12:05:16 pm »
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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #307 on: April 23, 2007, 12:07:56 pm »
from wiki again:

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In the 2006 World Cup, he whistled three matches with mediocre results. After the match Australia-Brazil, he was verbally blasted by Harry Kewell for allegedly lop-sided, pro-Brazil refereeing [1],

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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #308 on: April 23, 2007, 12:10:47 pm »
i am feeling quite confident for wednesday. Read an article on alonso in a sunday paper in work. He was saying how we will be going to score a "goal or to" to make the job easier at anfield.
i can see us playing like we did in barcelona. Keep possession, try and control the game and then try and get the goals.
(obviously its not as easy as that)
 

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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #309 on: April 23, 2007, 12:12:39 pm »
Their many yellow cards could be a factor for the second leg. Already Essien is missing on wednesday which is massive as i think he is excellent.

If we can get Drogba or Cole or maybe Ballack carded it would be quality. Drogba especially.

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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #310 on: April 23, 2007, 12:15:04 pm »
there will be enormous pressure on Chelsea to get a good result in the first leg.

They have had one day less than us to recuperate.  And I wonder if Ballack will be fit to play.

They looked very poor against Newcastle.


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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #311 on: April 23, 2007, 12:19:39 pm »
My team would be:


---------------Reina----------------
Finnan----Carra--Dagger---Arbeloa

Pennant----Momo---Xabi----Riise

----------------Gerrard--------------

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A 4-5-1 when Chelsea have the ball and a 4-2-2-1-1 or a 4-4-1-1 when we are attacking

I think we'll see that as well

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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #312 on: April 23, 2007, 12:25:04 pm »
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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #313 on: April 23, 2007, 12:36:03 pm »
Reina
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Gerrard Sissoko Alonso Mascherano Riise
Crouch

that's what I expect (as much as you can expect any Rafa side) although I'm very concerned he might go for Kuyt up front and he'll struggle to hold the ball up and we'll end up spending most of the game under pressure in our own half. Chelsea won't be afraid to pump a few long balls up front to Frogba (oops nice typo !) occasionally rather than piss about trying to do 200 passes round midfield like Barca.

That said, Chelsea still like to move the ball around the middle of the park so I think we need to flood central midfield with bodies and expose Chelsea's lack of natural width (cue Robben and SWP starting the game instead of the diamond), breaking their moves down as we did against Barca (albeit with a different system).

It's exactly how we got a 0-0 in 2005 and I'll take the same again please Carol...

If Chelsea play the sort of cagey European game they played in 2005 then I think we'll be OK, Mascherano and/or Alonso will lap it up. If they decide to play an all-guns-blazing British tempo then I think we could end up with too much to do in the home leg. When teams have got at us this season we've struggled. After 2005, I suspect Chelsea will want to put this tie to bed on Wednesday night which could bode badly for us...

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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #314 on: April 23, 2007, 12:47:37 pm »
Markus Merk

These are our matches he's reff'd

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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #315 on: April 23, 2007, 12:48:51 pm »
If Carvalho is missing then it has to be Bellamy against Boulharouz and Terry who are both painfully slow.
is there a chance of Carvalho not playing?

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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #316 on: April 23, 2007, 12:55:46 pm »
If Chelsea play the sort of cagey European game they played in 2005 then I think we'll be OK, Mascherano and/or Alonso will lap it up. If they decide to play an all-guns-blazing British tempo then I think we could end up with too much to do in the home leg. When teams have got at us this season we've struggled. After 2005, I suspect Chelsea will want to put this tie to bed on Wednesday night which could bode badly for us...
good post - agree with most of what you say.

Tho I'm not sure that Chelsea have the ability to get at us, without leaving themselves  vulnerable.

Even in the best of times, the recent west ham game aside, Chelsea are not the type of team to steamroller opposition and score a hatful of goals.  They struggled and laboured to break Newcastle down.

That said, they themselves are hard to break down. 

I think it will be like the last tie in 2005 - there will be very little in it - and we will be biting our nails at Anfieldand watching the clock, until the 90 mins is up.



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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #317 on: April 23, 2007, 01:08:09 pm »
Tho I'm not sure that Chelsea have the ability to get at us, without leaving themselves  vulnerable.

when I say 'get at us' I mean start loading balls into the box (for Drogba)

this is something that Barca did not do once, IIRC

this wouldn't leave them vulnerable as they can still keep their shape

the (almost unique) thing with Drogba is that he doesn't need to work off crosses or angles, you can just play a long straight ball to him and he's got the ability to take it on his chest and cause bloody mayhem in the box

him v Carra is going to be like a 15 round heavyweight slug out from back in the day

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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #318 on: April 23, 2007, 01:12:57 pm »
i'm confident at this stage, but the nerves are starting to get to me already!
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Re: CL Semi Final: Chelsea -v- Liverpool, Wed 7.45, All The Build Up
« Reply #319 on: April 23, 2007, 01:13:30 pm »
him v Carra is going to be like a 15 round heavyweight slug out from back in the day

with Carra coming out on top, of course
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