Topic: Awesome documentaries thread

[Trada]

Watching the Louis Theroux Saville follow up documentary

A bit hard to watch with the creepy arl fucker and descriptions of the abuse

The lady towards the end...heartbreaking

I loved the part when the victim turned the Interview on Theroux "Do you think he also groomed you?"

[TravisBickle]

Yes, difficult to watch at times, and she really moved me, and also nailed the issue "he mugged you off Louis" summed it up. Savile mugged a lot of people off.

 Not ashamed to say I actually shed a tear at the end where she was describing the lengths she'd go to to try prevent the abuse. That any person, never mind a child, should ever have to deal with that breaks my fucking heart.

 Terrific as always from Theroux.

[Tonyh8su]

Watching the Louis Theroux Saville follow up documentary

A bit hard to watch with the creepy arl fucker and descriptions of the abuse

The lady towards the end...heartbreaking

Anyone any idea if I can watch this online? BBC iPlayer doesn't work in Ireland.

[mazlo123]

Anyone any idea if I can watch this online? BBC iPlayer doesn't work in Ireland.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/n1_fqdaAuec?fs=1" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/n1_fqdaAuec?fs=1</a>

Here you go mate.

[Tonyh8su]

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/n1_fqdaAuec?fs=1" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/n1_fqdaAuec?fs=1</a>

Here you go mate.

Cheers pal. I actually got the iPlayer to work with my VPN and I just finished. Oh my God. I watched that right after the Amanda Knox documentary on Netflix it's now half 4 in the morning and my brain is well and truly fried.

[Lush is the best medicine...]

Cheers pal. I actually got the iPlayer to work with my VPN and I just finished. Oh my God. I watched that right after the Amanda Knox documentary on Netflix it's now half 4 in the morning and my brain is well and truly fried.

that daily mail journo at the end of the Amanda Knox documentary talking about how it wasn't a trial by media and not fact checking in case he missed a scoop to a rival, fucking wanker of a man

[Igor Tripod Biscan]

that daily mail journo at the end of the Amanda Knox documentary talking about how it wasn't a trial by media and not fact checking in case he missed a scoop to a rival, fucking wanker of a man

What a prick, if he was ice cream, he'd lick himself

'I'm not saying I'm in the same category and Woodward and Bernstein' (which is actually what he IS saying)

He loved seeing his name on the front page apparently- wonder if he would enjoy seeing 'Nick Pis(a-shit) the racist paedo who doesn't pay his tax may have been responsible for JFK, genocide in Cambodia and the kardashians - according to a source'

(none of the above is true to my knowledge and only there to illustrate the point of his rampant hypocrisy and that of print media in general)

A real celebration of good old British Journalism....hypocritical bottom feeding gutter twat

Maybe he'll have some kind of revelation that perhaps his methods and general attitude could be readjusted, on the other hand - look where he now works(or writes for)

Utter thundercunt

[KERRYKOP]

Well done to Louis Theroux, he basically made a documentary about his greatest failure and exposed himself with a few of the hits he took.

There was a bit of a former Nazi concentration camp guard vibe off Savile's assistant. She was completely unwilling to except what had happened and in ways it is understandable. As you get older it must be crushing to come to terms with the best years of your lives being propped up by something sinister.

I remember watching the original show long before his death and I'm trying to remember what I thought of it. Much like Louis I probably came out of it with more questions them answers. How did he do it, it was like a magic trick.

Bloody hell though when he rocked up to BBC studies wearing a string vest and a pair of shorts, he should have be arrested for that alone the massive creep.

[Ziltoid]

Louis Theroux brilliant once again. When they left the camera rolling after Louis had gone to bed and Savile was ranting about locking lads away at his nightclub etc was pretty chilling.

[Alan_X]

'Rubble Kings' on iPlayer. Fantastic documentary about how hip-hop helped end the 'apocalyptic' levels of gang violence in New York in the 1970s.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07vxmxw/rubble-kings

[Alan_X]

Clinton Cash  

Just a staggering Docu...
Clinton Cash: The Untold Story of How and Why Foreign Governments and Businesses Helped Make Bill and Hillary Rich
It's here on youtube.. but if it's removed just google it.. & click video at the top.. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LYRUOd_QoM

or watch here..
http://www.breitbart.com/clinton-cash-movie/

Perhaps the fact that it's on Breitbart suggests it may be a leeetle bit biased? Reading up it seems that quite a lot of the claims are exaggerated or inaccurate.

[hixxstar]

Perhaps the fact that it's on Breitbart suggests it may be a leeetle bit biased? Reading up it seems that quite a lot of the claims are exaggerated or inaccurate.

I agree... still compelling viewing though.. hopefully in the main there is some truth,   ..  'how do you know a politictian is lying'   .. 'Their lips are moving' 
Also if you google you can find the 15 points that prove it's true... or untrue... 

[JerseyKloppite]

Well done to Louis Theroux, he basically made a documentary about his greatest failure and exposed himself with a few of the hits he took.

Was a touch too self critical really in my opinion - his style is very much to earn trust from someone, so they let their guard down and reveal interesting things. Savile was never going to reveal any of his behaviour, and came off as creepy which was about as good as Louis was going to get. His documentaries also weren't quite as hard hitting in the early 90s as the more serious ones he does now.

Also, apparently he reported to the BBC that one of the two women who contacted him after the broadcast saying she'd been a 'girlfriend' told him she was 15, but nothing came of it - this came out in the subsequent report but Louis didn't mention it in this doc.

[eddiedingle]

Therouxs Scientology docu availiable in usual places.

[Trada]

Therouxs Scientology docu availiable in usual places.

Just stuck it on looking forward to it.

[Ziltoid]

'Rubble Kings' on iPlayer. Fantastic documentary about how hip-hop helped end the 'apocalyptic' levels of gang violence in New York in the 1970s.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07vxmxw/rubble-kings

Thanks for the heads up Alan, downloading now.

[Trada]

Just stuck it on looking forward to it.

I enjoyed it love the whole road closed part "we have permit" but I felt sorry for the young actor.

Some very tense interviews and they came with the person who was helping him.

But in the end I learnt nothing new.

[CheshireDave]

But in the end I learnt nothing new.

Agreed. The only part which really made me sit up was Marty's piece at the end.

[the 92A]

'Rubble Kings' on iPlayer. Fantastic documentary about how hip-hop helped end the 'apocalyptic' levels of gang violence in New York in the 1970s.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07vxmxw/rubble-kings

What a fantastic Documentry, thanks for putting it up. Little known fact that I was reminded of watching that, in the 80's the busiest Fire Station in the World was in South Bronx and the 2nd and 3rd busiest were West Derby Road and Bankhall in Liverpool that was doing 10,000 calls a year, I was living in Dingle and from our block the walk into town looked like it was straight out of the Bronx, dereliction everywhere, some you tubes of Liverpool in the eighties, you forget how brutal it looked.

[Another Red]

What a prick, if he was ice cream, he'd lick himself

'I'm not saying I'm in the same category and Woodward and Bernstein' (which is actually what he IS saying)

He loved seeing his name on the front page apparently- wonder if he would enjoy seeing 'Nick Pis(a-shit) the racist paedo who doesn't pay his tax may have been responsible for JFK, genocide in Cambodia and the kardashians - according to a source'

(none of the above is true to my knowledge and only there to illustrate the point of his rampant hypocrisy and that of print media in general)

A real celebration of good old British Journalism....hypocritical bottom feeding gutter twat

Maybe he'll have some kind of revelation that perhaps his methods and general attitude could be readjusted, on the other hand - look where he now works(or writes for)

Utter thundercunt

Oh, absolutely! He is just as responsible for this mess as the misogynistic, fanciful police.

[Ziltoid]

'Rubble Kings' on iPlayer. Fantastic documentary about how hip-hop helped end the 'apocalyptic' levels of gang violence in New York in the 1970s.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07vxmxw/rubble-kings

Brilliant, Karate Charlie, what a character. As a massive fan of The Warriors I obviously loved it. Might have to see if there are any books on the gang culture around that time. The start with the graffiti laden subway train, just love it.

[CheshireDave]

Holy Hell - All about a cult and its charismatic leader who for over 20 years led a group of followers

Fucked up that is. Just really upsetting. Wish i'd not watched it to be honest.

[Skidder.]

Not too sure what to make of Louis Theroux's Scientology documentary if I am honest.

Spoiler

I agree with others that he has become a bit serious of late and a few of his docs seem to be too focussed on his outlook, as oppose to others. I guess this has always been the case, but his Scientology film isn't really a film - in fact, I'm not sure what it is and I'm not even sure he knows what it is.

The crux of what I got from it was that Tom Cruise may have been at the base when some cadets were treated like shit - I assumed that was what they were trying to imply, but they didn't actually have him in the hole. It also tried to make Marty Rathbun out as a hypocrite - which it kind of did, if you take into account his reaction to Louis' questioning. Pressed about him being an intricate mechanic of the many tactics that they use, Rathbun went on the attack, which as we know, is the best form of defence. However, it really did feel as though Louis was attacking him as a person - and that was a little distasteful to see and I can only point to Louis' frustration as the cause of that. It is as if (as someone else has already mentioned) Louis thought he was going to get some big meat on something that hadn't come out.

Further to this, I also don't buy that Rathbun wasn't 'paid' for his participation - anyone worth their salt knows that there are more creative ways of 'compensating' a participant for his or her participation. If Rathbun hadn't in some way or another had motivation to do this, then why the hell would he do it? To 'get back' at Miscavige? To further his career? I just don't buy that one bit.

There was also some strong language used on a number of occasions. There were two strong hints that Marty 'knew were the bodies were buried', now you can take from that what you will, the guy was probably just alluding to the actions of the organisation under his watch - but a few scenes later, there were other snippets of language that further spoke about 'corpses' (or something to that effect). But the final piece of dialogue by Marty was also quite disturbing - talking of Miscavige wanting Marty to do what he wanted (again, I'm paraphrasing) whilst making a gun-like hand signal to his head.

Also, I really didn't like how in one scene, he overdubbed a piece about Marty's past in the organisation - if I was Marty and I had in fact volunteered to do this, then saw that, I would genuinely feel a bit double-crossed. Because it felt as if it shifted more about Marty, than Scientology. The man has probably done some terrible things in the name of Scientology and the chances are, we'll never find out - but I would be very interested to hear his response to this documentary. It was clear at one point that there was some kind of power struggle within the production of the re-creations and you could see it at one point when they applauded L. Ron Hubbard.

Not sure of Louis Theroux's motivations for doing this - but I'll bet that he's had a hard few months over their in L.A (where he is now living) and I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we saw him moving back over here in the near future. I really expected to see something new, something we couldn't find out from Wikipedia. But instead, we got a feature length episode of Weird Weekends, but not as funny... 

It will be interesting to see what he has lined up next - i feel that his act is drawing to a close and I feel that the direction in which he is taking his career will have him ending up as a chat-show host on BBC2. People are obviously sizing him up before they are interviewed by him and his past few documentaries seem to have called him as a film-maker into question.

Not too sure about this one fellas - I found his second trip to the Westboro Baptist Church slightly odd, as well as a second look over Savile...

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[Igor Tripod Biscan]

Not too sure what to make of Louis Theroux's Scientology documentary if I am honest.

Spoiler

A few question from me too

It definitely feels like until he was put in the hole he was prepared to do anything but then spat his dummy and went on the offensive.  Disgruntled - definitely and understandably but there didn't appear to be much remorse or  realisation of the karma of the whole thing.

It doesn't add anything for me to what Going Clear did.  Feels like this could have been episodes 1 and 2 to a much wider and in depth story but I guess if the footage or story isn't there, it isn't there

I would have preferred for Louis to go more in depth about where the bodies were buried or what the guy ideally wanted to see.. his intentions weren't entirely clear - The end to Scientology? The removal of the little fella and go back to basics - is he still a believer in the overall message?

Tons of loose ends - overall felt like a long episode of WW yes I agree but almost on half power - The guy who played Miscarriage was ace but the re-enactments and auditions where an interesting vehicle to get the message across but then not much was done with it, better than a straight up re-enactment but at the cost of deeper discussion perhaps

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[saoirse08]

'Rubble Kings' on iPlayer. Fantastic documentary about how hip-hop helped end the 'apocalyptic' levels of gang violence in New York in the 1970s.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07vxmxw/rubble-kings

Rubble Kings is excellent, saw it a while ago on Netflix. I also enjoyed Hip Hop World News, which I missed on BBC4 last week. One that must have passed me by when it was first released, but which I caught the other night, was Julien Temple's London: The Modern Babylon. I stark reminder for our recent history, especially apt for these xenophobic times. Still up there now:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p00smkqn/london-the-modern-babylon?suggid=p00smkqn   

[Skidder.]

Spoiler

A few question from me too

It definitely feels like until he was put in the hole he was prepared to do anything but then spat his dummy and went on the offensive.  Disgruntled - definitely and understandably but there didn't appear to be much remorse or  realisation of the karma of the whole thing.

It doesn't add anything for me to what Going Clear did.  Feels like this could have been episodes 1 and 2 to a much wider and in depth story but I guess if the footage or story isn't there, it isn't there

I would have preferred for Louis to go more in depth about where the bodies were buried or what the guy ideally wanted to see.. his intentions weren't entirely clear - The end to Scientology? The removal of the little fella and go back to basics - is he still a believer in the overall message?

Tons of loose ends - overall felt like a long episode of WW yes I agree but almost on half power - The guy who played Miscarriage was ace but the re-enactments and auditions where an interesting vehicle to get the message across but then not much was done with it, better than a straight up re-enactment but at the cost of deeper discussion perhaps

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Spoiler

On second thoughts now - it was a bit of a mess; I don't think anyone knew what they wanted out of it. It does look like Marty has spat his dummy out because of being sent to the hole and it looks as though he was trying to split off with others and create an independent Scientology church.

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[Titi Camara]

Just noted that there's a live Q&A screening on Monday night at Cineworld (pretty much all venues) for My Scientology Movie, obviously over some sort of VT. Might be excellent though!

[Igor Tripod Biscan]

Spoiler

On second thoughts now - it was a bit of a mess; I don't think anyone knew what they wanted out of it. It does look like Marty has spat his dummy out because of being sent to the hole and it looks as though he was trying to split off with others and create an independent Scientology church.

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Still get that he's a belieber

Imagine being in something for 30 odd years, being one of the top guys - the violence and stalking were not a surprise.  He was so incredulous that Miscarriage had brought his son into this (like fuck...as if he never used peoples relationships-friends-family as leverage)

Other cultists leave because they find out about the sham -like the Holy Hell doc however Marty knew all along what the inside was doing

[Igor Tripod Biscan]

13th - documentary on Netflix looking at modern slavery and the industrial incarceration complex

Touches on issues that other popular documentaries like War On Drugs (1999)

Like an updated version, a bit sickening when you have the Clinton saying he made mistakes with 3 strikes etc

Trump being trump but a newer look at ALEC who ostensibly is a club of politicians and companies (google/Walmart amongst them) who heavily influence (and straight up write) legislation in the US

Awful system

[Mumm-Ra]

Brilliant, Karate Charlie, what a character. As a massive fan of The Warriors I obviously loved it. Might have to see if there are any books on the gang culture around that time. The start with the graffiti laden subway train, just love it.

It was very entertaining, what a crazy place NYC was back then. The whole narrative of "it was really bad, then we had a peace treaty and it was all love thanks to the music bringing us together" was bollocks though. The murder-by-year numbers don't really support it. Peace treaty was in November 77:

1975    1645
1976    1622
1977    1557
1978    1504
1979    1733
1980    1814
1981    1826
1982    1668
1983    1622
1984    1450
1985    1384
1986    1582
1987    1672
1988    1896
1989    1905
1990    2245
1991    2154


Sidenote, fkng hell @ 1991. I pasted in more years than were relevant just to share that staggering number. 

[Ziltoid]

I lived there in 1990/91. I did go to the Bronx for a church service with a fellow employee who wanted us to see the whole gospel service and a race at Van Courtland park I think it was. Apart from that the furthest I got was 125th street

[meady1981]

Watching Rubble Kings reminded me of a Documentary called 'Streetwise' about street life in Seattle at a similar period. Its brilliant, brutal and heartbreaking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lTQgfXb87k

[Alan_X]

Thanks - I'll give it a watch.

[stoa]

Fucked up that is. Just really upsetting. Wish i'd not watched it to be honest.

What did you find upsetting? I watched it yesterday and it was basically what I expected in the end. The most bizarre thing was that Michel-guy's obsession with ballet. And the fact that there are so many videos about what was going on within the cult...

[CrasherKid79]

Just watched this on Netflix:

From IMDB:

The Barkley Marathons: The Race That Eats its Young (2015)
In its first 25 years only 10 people have finished The Barkley Marathons. Based on a historic prison escape, this cult like race tempts people from around the world to test their limits of physical and mental endurance in this documentary that contemplates the value of pain.

Would recommend to anyone who enjoys an offbeat documentary. Really enjoyable and still don't know what to make of the race organiser, a jolly bearded gentleman who at first glance seems like a friendly Santa Claus, but on closer interview sort of a sadist Donald Sutherland lookalike .... especially the grin when he talks about people failing the 100 mile race.

Scary, weird and often funny.

[tubby]

That sounds really interesting, will take a look.  Is it on the UK Netflix?

[Ziltoid]

Not to be confused with the Ross Barkley marathons

[CrasherKid79]

That sounds really interesting, will take a look.  Is it on the UK Netflix?

Yeah

[Salger]

Last Chance U on Netflix. 6 part docu-series following the fortunes of a Junior College american football team in Mississippi.

One of the best sports documentaries I've seen. You don't have to be a fan of the sport to enjoy it.

Just been commissioned for a second series as well.

[CrasherKid79]

Last Chance U on Netflix. 6 part docu-series following the fortunes of a Junior College american football team in Mississippi.

One of the best sports documentaries I've seen. You don't have to be a fan of the sport to enjoy it.

Just been commissioned for a second series as well.

It was good. You should check out All or Nothing: A Season with the Arizona Cardinals currently on Amazon if you liked Last Chance U. I thought it was even better.