Topic: Antonio Barragan ...

[swordfishtrombone]

what a great bit of business if thats the case. it almost sounds too good to be true

[JnrJnr]

Did a bit more searching and found this on the Deportivo site.

Barragán signed a five-year contract with Deportivo in a operation that cost €1 million to the Galicians. However, Liverpool maintains a €2 million buy-back option over the player; this clause can be used in 2008. If Liverpool don’t take back Barragán by then, when he’s 21, they'll have another buy-back option in 2011. But at that moment his price will have increased.

http://www.deportivo-la-coruna.com/squad/barragan.html

So just FIFA being a bag a'shite then...

[Scarlet`]

How's he for Spain tongiht?

[Endoe]

The problem with letting both Kromkamp and Barragan leave is that we have no real backup for Finnan at RB. If he gets a long term injury (God forbid), we'll probably be forced to play Carra there. As good a job he can do, his attacking contribution is limited.
Because we let go off both players, RB is now our most exposed position. While it may open up for a signing of for example Alves, we've still left us short of cover until January.

Arbeloa (spelling)

[JnrJnr]

How's he for Spain tongiht?

Couldn't watch most of the game 'cos streaming from the FIFA site was a bit pants. Put in a nice cross for Spain's first goal.

Arbeloa (spelling)

Was written before we signed Arbeloa. I just dug up an old thread.

[Joe Rogans Chin]

Antonio Barragán Fernández (born 12 June 1987 in Pontedeume, Galicia, is a Galician footballer (right full-back) who currently plays for Deportivo de La Coruńa having formerly played for Sevilla FC and Liverpool.

Having signed for Liverpool in July 2005 as an 18-year old who had yet to appear for Sevilla FC's first team, Barragán's role during the 2005-06 season was largely within the Liverpool F.C. reserves. He did, however, make one appearance for the first team, coming on as a substitute for striker and fellow Spaniard Fernando Morientes in the first leg of the third qualifying round of the UEFA Champions League. In doing so, Barragán became the youngest foreigner to play for Liverpool.

Barragán signed a five-year contract with Deportivo de La Coruńa, in a operation that cost €1 million to the Galicians, on August 4, 2006. However, Liverpool maintains a €2 million buy-back option over the player; this clause can be used in 2008. If Liverpool don’t take back Barragán by then, when he’s 21, they'll have another buy-back option in 2011. But at that moment his price will have increased.

2006-2007 started very well for Barragán, as he started the first eight La Liga matches. The results accompanied him, as a young and completely renovated team were seventh back then. It earned Barragán his first call-up for the Spanish sub-21 squad. In addition, Barragán scored a fantastic goal against Real Sociedad, in an October 1 2-0 home win. He would split right-back duties with veteran Manuel Pablo but, with the "resurrection" of the latter in 2007-2008, opportunities were scarcer for Barragán.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Barrag%C3%A1n

So the rumored buy back option this year for 2 million Euros is true and we also have an option in 2011 when he's 21.

Can't be doing to bad if he's already playing for Sapins U21's?

Any one watch La Liga regularly, how he getting on?

[Learpholl]

I was actually wondering about him the other day

[Macedonian_Red]

Any one watch La Liga regularly, how he getting on?

Had a bad knee injury ... Out until October/November ...

[Wewonit6times]

So the rumored buy back option this year for 2 million Euros is true

It was but we waived it in the Arbeloa deal.

[Red number seven]

It was but we waived it in the Arbeloa deal.

I have heard that - is it definitely true and does it apply to the 2011 buy back option too?

[In the Name of Klopp]

According Football Manager 08, it's Ł475.000 buy back agreement 

[rossipersempre]

I have heard that - is it definitely true and does it apply to the 2011 buy back option too?

I heard we waived the 2008 clause, but retained the 2011 albeit at a to-be-agreed-upon-at-the-time price.

[rossipersempre]

If he's injured his knee, then surely they could just send him back to Melwood - Doc Waller will look after him, and with a bit of luck, he may just recover just in time for the 2011 season anyway.

[dane]

I heard we waived the 2008 clause, but retained the 2011 albeit at a to-be-agreed-upon-at-the-time price.

You heard we retained a clause that says we can buy a player back... at a particular time... if the club the player is with agrees to the price we offer?

And if we didn't have that clause the Spanish Army would mobilise against us if we sent a fax with an offer on it?

The only way such a clause could exist is if the lawyers were being paid per clause.

[rossipersempre]

You heard we retained a clause that says we can buy a player back... at a particular time... if the club the player is with agrees to the price we offer?

Err, yes, hence the phrase "buy-back clause"

The only way such a clause could exist is if the lawyers were being paid per clause.

You obviously don't know lawyers

Paid per minute mate, never mind per clause. I swear they have those chess clocks on their desk...*click*...just hide them when clients are in.

[Strawberry Fields]

Hope to get him back!

[rossipersempre]

Hope to get him back!

Any particular reason or just a random pleading cry in the dark?

[alfonso]

Buy back clauses only matter if the player wants to return.

Maybe he won't want to.
And who knows in 2011, Benitez may be far far away.

[jackh]

Emiliano Insua, Daniel Agger, Martin Skrtel, and Antonio Barragan our silky skilled, ball playing defensive line for the next ten years then...?

Seriously though, didn't Barragan opt to leave due to 'homesickness' issues?  He was very highly rated by the club staff wasn't he?

[fry]

Emiliano Insua, Daniel Agger, Martin Skrtel, and Antonio Barragan our silky skilled, ball playing defensive line for the next ten years then...?

Seriously though, didn't Barragan opt to leave due to 'homesickness' issues?  He was very highly rated by the club staff wasn't he?

he will be older by 2011, perhaps wont get home sick then

[Redcap]

He's been gone for a fair while now. I think if he still has any homesickness issues he'd have sorted them out by now. It's more a question of whether he's what we want at this point.

A question.. what's the deal with these talented Sevilla raised youngsters having homesickness issues? Jesus Navas and Barragan too.

[jackh]

I'm sure Rafa's team have been keeping a close eye on him anyhow.

[leiva-pool]

I watched him at the U21 world cup and he impressed me a lot. His defending was good and he has the ability to bring the ball out from defence, he is definitely a ball playing defender and is something that Rafa obviously likes in his players. His crossing especially was very accurate and had pace, curl, dip ala Beckham Not like Finnan who crosses with no pace at all.

[rossipersempre]

Not like Finnan who crosses with no pace at all.

Or Pennant whose crosses have all the whipped pace and incisive threat of cotton wool on a stiff breeze. Goes for Arby too I'm afraid. In fact I struggle to think who is our best crosser of the ball? Carra at RB even (albeit a one-off assist)? Gerrard? Aurelio? Not that it matters much with Crouch gone soon

[Redcap]

Or Pennant whose crosses have all the whipped pace and incisive threat of cotton wool on a stiff breeze. Goes for Arby too I'm afraid. In fact I struggle to think who is our best crosser of the ball? Carra at RB even (albeit a one-off assist)? Gerrard? Aurelio? Not that it matters much with Crouch gone soon

Probably Gerrard and Aurelio

[potatomato33]

Hyypia whipped in a sweet one recently... I think it was against Fulham?

[cresj]

Antonio Barragán Fernández (born 12 June 1987)

So the rumored buy back option this year for 2 million Euros is true and we also have an option in 2011 when he's 21.

Can't be doing to bad if he's already playing for Sapins U21's?

If he's born 1987, he's gonna be 21 in 1 month.

[The Nihilists]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Barrag%C3%A1n

So the rumored buy back option this year for 2 million Euros is true and we also have an option in 2011 when he's 21.

Er, not necessarily. Wiki can be edited by anyone, so don't trust it. There is no link to an official source in the footnotes, so while it could be true, that is no proof whatsoever.

[theCanadian]

Don't need him anymore, we have Arbeloa and Carragher for rightback.

[Joe Rogans Chin]

Er, not necessarily. Wiki can be edited by anyone, so don't trust it. There is no link to an official source in the footnotes, so while it could be true, that is no proof whatsoever.

I was a bit lazy and hadn't read the thread. 

http://www.deportivo-la-coruna.com/squad/barragan.html

This confirms what was on Wikki.

To sum up;

Still exciting prospect.

We ditched the buy back option for when he's 21 as part of the deal when we signed Arbeloa.

We have an option to sign him in 2011 when he's 24 at a fee yet to be agreed?

[Joe Rogans Chin]

Don't need him anymore, we have Arbeloa and Carragher for rightback.

We might need him in 2011 if he's Spains first choice rightback and one of the best full backs in Europe.

great bit of negotiation on Rafa's part if you ask me.

[a partridge in seat_5c]

Any particular reason or just a random pleading cry in the dark?

cos he's a fucking superb player

I'm fucking gutted we let him go

[sheff-jim]

We have an option to sign him in 2011 when he's 24 at a fee yet to be agreed?

How will that work then? We want to re-sign him, offer X. Deportivo say no, that's it.

How is that different from any other potential transfer? We need to offer what the selling club want.

[rossipersempre]

cos he's a fucking superb player

I'm fucking gutted we let him go

A touch OTT but I agree he has the POTENTIAL to be a "fucking superb player", hence why Rafa had those buy-back clauses inserted. In fact, it's like a great loan deal really, the kid wanted to go back home, so we sold him and brought in Arby, an altogether more experienced and mature RB - meanwhile Barragan gets to cut his teeth with Depor, grow up a little off the field, and we get one put aside for the future.

Another example (Depor) why I'd like to see the likes of Paul Anderson loaned to a lower PL-level team, rather than the (albeit recently promoted) League 1 outfit, Swansea. Sometimes in at the deep end is better than a softly softly approach.

[Emlynevermore]

We might need him in 2011 if he's Spains first choice rightback and one of the best full backs in Europe.

great bit of negotiation on Rafa's part if you ask me.

One Sergio Ramos might object to being summarily shunted out of the national side but I see your point--there's nothing wrong with hedging our bets.

[rossipersempre]

How will that work then? We want to re-sign him, offer X. Deportivo say no, that's it.

How is that different from any other potential transfer? We need to offer what the selling club want.

It's different because it's a buy-back clause (not an 'option') - i.e we can invoke it and as long as he doesn't outright refuse to come back then there's nothing DLC can do - it is what they agreed to. The unfixed price is not like a normal transfer as the fee will, I assume, not be set arbitrarily according to market rates and what they want for him, it will be based on an agreed range based on his development over the next 3 years, how many appearances, international caps etc. If he does well, then we will pay towards the upper end of that range. Pure speculation of course, but I can't see how it would work any other way.

[rossipersempre]

One Sergio Ramos might object to being summarily shunted out of the national side but I see your point--there's nothing wrong with hedging our bets.

Ramos or not, let's not forget we have Spain's reserve keeper - he's not too bad either

[screwi]

Err, yes, hence the phrase "buy-back clause"
You obviously don't know lawyers

Paid per minute mate, never mind per clause. I swear they have those chess clocks on their desk...*click*...just hide them when clients are in.

actually at big firms they have a special program running on their computer at all times, to log how long they're with each client, and how long they're at the pisser. if you're not working, they want to know why...

and do you know why legal documents are so bloody hard to read? because back in the day, some bright spark realised that they were being paid by the word. i shit you not.

[a partridge in seat_5c]

A touch OTT but I agree he has the POTENTIAL to be a "fucking superb player", hence why Rafa had those buy-back clauses inserted. In fact, it's like a great loan deal really, the kid wanted to go back home, so we sold him and brought in Arby, an altogether more experienced and mature RB - meanwhile Barragan gets to cut his teeth with Depor, grow up a little off the field, and we get one put aside for the future.

I'd be stunned if he ever came back to Anfield

no chance, IMLTHO

[rossipersempre]

I'd be stunned if he ever came back to Anfield

no chance, IMLTHO

*cough* Fowler *cough*