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Re: Road Rage
« Reply #280 on: October 6, 2017, 01:24:56 pm »
But the speed limit is the limit on the road, for bends, unless they are fast sweepers where you have an unobstructed view, you should always slow down and you should adjust your speed to what you can see. You ride/rode bikes, so you are well aware of defensive riding and how you have to trickle around some bends where others you won't even need to roll off. If you can't react to something unexpected and stop in time, then you are going too fast. If its an HGV coming the other way, and head head on it, you will most likely die.

All true, but we only have BR's estimate of his speed so he might have been going lower than the speed limit. The fact that he crashed into something is probably evidence enough that he was going too fast but it's still not a great move by the pedestrian to stop traffic there. Defensive riding/driving works both ways, you don't stop in a position where you can anticipate someone coming round the corner behind you unless you absolutely can't avoid it and in this case BR said his road ahead was clear. It wasn't a policeman stopping him either.
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Re: Road Rage
« Reply #281 on: October 6, 2017, 01:29:42 pm »
Does it matter about BR's speed? Either the driver behind can see him, in which case he should be slowing down or increasing the distance between the two cars, or the driver behind can't see him and so, can only see so far round the blind bend. In that case, they should be slowing anyway because they don't know what is ahead round the corner.

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Re: Road Rage
« Reply #282 on: October 6, 2017, 01:33:40 pm »
Does it matter about BR's speed? Either the driver behind can see him, in which case he should be slowing down or increasing the distance between the two cars, or the driver behind can't see him and so, can only see so far round the blind bend. In that case, they should be slowing anyway because they don't know what is ahead round the corner.

BR was stopped, we were talking about the speed of the driver behind him who had the accident. Don't think we know how far behind him he was.
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Re: Road Rage
« Reply #283 on: October 6, 2017, 02:05:28 pm »
BR was stopped, we were talking about the speed of the driver behind him who had the accident. Don't think we know how far behind him he was.

If he had to swerve, then he was surely going too fast for the situation, regardless if he was under the limit.

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Re: Road Rage
« Reply #284 on: October 6, 2017, 02:42:26 pm »
If he had to swerve, then he was surely going too fast for the situation, regardless if he was under the limit.

That's true, especially given that BR himself was able to stop when he saw the pedestrian stood in the road. I take it all back.
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Re: Road Rage
« Reply #285 on: October 6, 2017, 02:42:38 pm »
Come on he's not on trial here, you've gone all forensic here ;D
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Re: Road Rage
« Reply #286 on: October 6, 2017, 02:46:38 pm »
Trial by RAWK.  I'm glad to see BR was declared Not Guilty.
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Re: Road Rage
« Reply #287 on: October 6, 2017, 02:58:41 pm »
Trial by RAWK.  I'm glad to see BR was declared Not Guilty.

I still think we should have water-boarded him to get the truth
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Re: Road Rage
« Reply #288 on: October 6, 2017, 03:10:23 pm »
I still think we should have water-boarded him to get the truth

That option is still open.  There's no rule against torture on RAWK as far as I'm aware? 
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Re: Road Rage
« Reply #289 on: October 6, 2017, 03:11:00 pm »
That option is still open.  There's no rule against torture on RAWK as far as I'm aware? 
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Re: Road Rage
« Reply #290 on: October 6, 2017, 04:01:00 pm »
I don't know. I've seen the transfer forums...

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Re: Road Rage
« Reply #291 on: October 6, 2017, 07:03:22 pm »
Heading into town today and was passing a car in the passing lane when a car behind going at least 15 miles over the speed limit started to flash me to hurry up and get back into the left hand lane. Bit of a bollix as saw he was 100 yards back initially when I started to pass. Lord forbid someone causes him to slow down to the speed limit. 5 mins later he was half a dozen cars ahead at the lights. Just proves again and again that speeding in rural Ireland rarely gains more than a min or two in time on a 30 min journey.
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Re: Road Rage
« Reply #292 on: October 6, 2017, 09:52:20 pm »
If there’s one thing I can’t stand on the roads is someone flashing their lights at you to try and make you move over to the slow lane, the height of arrogance.

Someone did it to me on an dual carriageway once, I pulled up alongside a lorry in the slow lane and just followed beside it for a couple of miles, the guy behind me was going crazy.
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Re: Road Rage
« Reply #293 on: October 6, 2017, 10:50:18 pm »
When they pull back in front of you I stick on the full headlights. Wind them right up.

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Re: Road Rage
« Reply #294 on: October 7, 2017, 08:55:11 am »
If there’s one thing I can’t stand on the roads is someone flashing their lights at you to try and make you move over to the slow lane, the height of arrogance.

Someone did it to me on an dual carriageway once, I pulled up alongside a lorry in the slow lane and just followed beside it for a couple of miles, the guy behind me was going crazy.
Completely agree. Utter nobs. Par for the course on European roads though.
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Re: Road Rage
« Reply #295 on: October 7, 2017, 11:28:11 am »
If there’s one thing I can’t stand on the roads is someone flashing their lights at you to try and make you move over to the slow lane, the height of arrogance.

Someone did it to me on an dual carriageway once, I pulled up alongside a lorry in the slow lane and just followed beside it for a couple of miles, the guy behind me was going crazy.

Quick jab on the brakes can make that interesting  ;)
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Re: Road Rage
« Reply #296 on: October 7, 2017, 01:03:15 pm »
If someone comes up behind me flashing their lights I always get out of the way.
The one and only time I have flashed for people to move over was as I was rushing my wife to hospital.
She was eight and a half months pregnant and screaming that the baby was coming.
We got there just in time; 15 min's later I was holding my new born daughter.
Dread to think what would have happened if the roads were chocker with you lot  ::)
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Re: Road Rage
« Reply #297 on: October 7, 2017, 02:06:05 pm »
If someone comes up behind me flashing their lights I always get out of the way.
The one and only time I have flashed for people to move over was as I was rushing my wife to hospital.
She was eight and a half months pregnant and screaming that the baby was coming.
We got there just in time; 15 min's later I was holding my new born daughter.
Dread to think what would have happened if the roads were chocker with you lot  ::)

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« Reply #298 on: October 7, 2017, 02:49:03 pm »
Where was she delivering to?  ???
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Re: Road Rage
« Reply #299 on: October 7, 2017, 04:45:21 pm »
If he had to swerve, then he was surely going too fast for the situation, regardless if he was under the limit.

In a nutshell. If you can't see your stopping distance ahead of you on the road then you should slow down. 



At 50 mph the stopping distance is 53m

Use of speed

Driving Test Report Section 18 Use of Speed

Driving no faster than the speed limit permits is the minimum you should consider when on the driving test.

Always travel at a speed that enables you can stop within the distance you can see to be clear ahead and are certain would remain clear in the time it would take you to stop.

Remember that weather conditions can significantly affect what this stopping distance would need to be.
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The examiner is assessing your ability to

    Approach junctions and hazards at the correct speed
    Use speed to maintain a safe gap between you and other vehicles
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Driving faults recorded

18 Use of speed:

    Drives in excess of the speed limit.
    Drives at a speed, which is too fast for the road, traffic or weather conditions.
    Drives too fast on the approach to certain hazards.
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Re: Road Rage
« Reply #300 on: October 7, 2017, 05:06:29 pm »
Distances are notoriously difficult to assess, so we should err on the side of caution, but people never do.  The 2 second rule works best for me anyway.  No matter what speed you're doing always remain 2 seconds (or more) behind the vehicle in front.  Speed = distance / time so, as the speed increases if time stays constants, the distance will increase.  So at higher speeds the distance increases.   In wet or wintery weather just double to four seconds.  Works for me.
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Re: Road Rage
« Reply #301 on: October 7, 2017, 05:27:31 pm »
If there’s one thing I can’t stand on the roads is someone flashing their lights at you to try and make you move over to the slow lane, the height of arrogance.

Someone did it to me on an dual carriageway once, I pulled up alongside a lorry in the slow lane and just followed beside it for a couple of miles, the guy behind me was going crazy.

There's no 'slow lane' or 'fast lane'.  Especially not on a 'dual' carriageway.
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Re: Road Rage
« Reply #302 on: October 7, 2017, 05:28:43 pm »
Yes. 2s in clear, dry conditions. 4s in wet. 10s in fog or snow. It's easy to measure using fixed objects around the road too; signs, etc.

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Re: Road Rage
« Reply #303 on: October 7, 2017, 07:00:21 pm »
Distances are notoriously difficult to assess, so we should err on the side of caution, but people never do.  The 2 second rule works best for me anyway.  No matter what speed you're doing always remain 2 seconds (or more) behind the vehicle in front.  Speed = distance / time so, as the speed increases if time stays constants, the distance will increase.  So at higher speeds the distance increases.   In wet or wintery weather just double to four seconds.  Works for me.

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Re: Road Rage
« Reply #304 on: October 7, 2017, 10:24:22 pm »

Anyway to stay on topic, as much as I hate drivers who lounge in the passing lane, even more so are the ones who tailgate someone who is passing, but not at the rate of speed they prefer. Often find myself passing going 5mph faster than the car I'm passing, or to allow merging traffic from an on ramp, and there's always some jabroni thinking I'm unaware of its purpose and "teaching me a lesson" by riding my bumper. In which case as I merge back into the non passing lane I always signal and take 5 to 10 seconds longer than it should just to rile them up. I know, classy.


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Re: Road Rage
« Reply #305 on: June 4, 2018, 03:44:04 pm »
When did it become the norm for drivers who make the fuck-up to react to being flashed/beeped as if you've just injected them with Rage and told them you've creampied their missus?

Happened to me on Friday. The road is a dual carriageway but with a 40mph limit. Both lanes moderately busy but moving freely. There's a sequence of traffic lights about every 400 yards. This fucking helmet in a van (yeah, I know) is doing a bit of lane-swapping behind me. We get to a red light. I'm third in line in the outside lane, he's second on the inside. Lights change, we all pull off. There's barely more than a car's length between me and the car in front and the van driver, without indicating, pulls out into the outside lane, missing my front by about a foot.

I've got my family in the car so don't want to put them in peril. I beep & flash as I ease back. Half a mile on, we get to the motorway and I overtake him. As I pass, giving him the stare, he's going fucking mental, alternating between the 'wanker' signal and the finger - a middle-aged bloke with another sat next to him in the passenger seat. I give the 'yap-yap' hand gesture in response and continue on my way. He tried to put his foot down and starts flashing. I can't be arsed so just keep leaving him behind.

I seriously don't get this mentality.

I had some whopper on the commute home from Manchester a couple of weeks ago on the M602. I'm behind this little Fiesta-van thing in the lane that's moving most freely. In front of him is a car leaving about 100m gap in front of him. The lane next to us starts moving slightly quicker, so the little-van driver moves into that lane (presumably to try to pass the gap-leaving car, then nip in front of him). Problem is, the gap-leaving car has slightly increased his speed to match that of the neighbouring lane - and I've closed the gap between me and the gap-leaving car so there's no room for little-van to slot back into; he's lost his place. As the neighbouring lane begins to slow again, the little-van tucks in behind me - and proceeds to start extreme tailgating, flashing, giving the full repertoire of hand signals, pointing for us both to pull over. His head is barely above the steering wheel. The fucking diminutive plum. I wonder if he's got a small stepladder in his van. I twirl my finger round my temple in that school playground manner, which doesn't actually placate him. Nor does me slowing down to match the speed of the neighbouring lane. In fact, this all makes him worse. A short time and a lot more gesturing on his part later, he turns off onto the M60 and I continue on the M62. I struggle for the rest of the journey to understand the mentality.

So many crazy people on the road. I never know how to react in dodgy situations - and I've been involved in literally dozens in my near-30 years of driving. At various times I've stopped to argue (more than once ending in a fight... never good), tried to ignore and drive on, played cat'n'mouse with the other driver. Twice I've actually locked myself in, one time phoning the police because some proper psycho almost rammed me off the road in a pick-up and ran out, carrying a pick-axe handle, and screaming "what did you fucking say to me?" (I'd been stopped at a T-junction, turning right, and right up to the line in the middle; he was turning right into the road I was exiting from and, as the road sort of comes back on itself, the norm is for the car turning into the road to flash-out the car waiting to turn right; it makes it easier for both parties. Not him. As he struggles to manoeuvre his pick-up round me he's giving me a dirty glare - presumably for me positioning my car right to the end of the middle line - so I mouth "Well if you'd have flashed me out, dickhead..." As I move forward, he's already turning his pick-up. He comes screaming up behind me; I'm behind another car. He overtakes and forces his pick-up across me. I think "I should just crash into him - it'd be his fault" but instead I brake and stop. And that's when he runs out with his handle. I'm already through to 999 and expecting the windows to be put through. I turn the volume up and talk loudly. The call handler can hear him screaming at me to get out the fucking car (the scumbag's got an Irish accent). I give his reg number to the operator, and the shithead realises I'm talking to someone and stops. I hold my phone to the window that shows the 999 number and he punches the window, calls me every pussy name he can think of (and, to be fair, I'm not feeling particularly brave at that point), runs back to his truck, then he wheel-spins off. I explain that he's driven off, decline the offer to take this further, but ask that they keep a record of the call - they would anyway, they tell me, and give me a reference number.

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Re: Road Rage
« Reply #306 on: June 4, 2018, 03:59:20 pm »
So many crazy people.

Ever stop to think that you might be involved in so many of these incidents because you are one of them?

Most people let dickheads go by without feeling the need to 'beep & flash', give people 'the stare' or the 'yap-yap' hand gesture.

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Re: Road Rage
« Reply #307 on: June 4, 2018, 04:08:56 pm »
I had it pretty bad up until pretty recently when I was beeping and swearing at someone who kept cutting me up, and I pulled up alongside her and it was ex girlfriends mum.

Not had any since.
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Re: Road Rage
« Reply #308 on: June 4, 2018, 04:34:46 pm »

Careful up there on that high horse.

You're admitting to winding other people up and then wondering why they react. Have you tried adjusting your own attitude to one that isn't "I'm in the right and it's important to me that the other party knows I'm in the right so I'm going to make sure they know I'm in the right"?
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Re: Road Rage
« Reply #309 on: June 4, 2018, 05:30:37 pm »
I had it pretty bad up until pretty recently when I was beeping and swearing at someone who kept cutting me up, and I pulled up alongside her and it was ex girlfriends mum.

Not had any since.


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« Reply #310 on: June 4, 2018, 05:32:34 pm »
Woah there, fella. In none of the three examples have I wound-up another driver to initiate things.

In the first I nearly had my front end took off by a dickhead. The second I don't know why he went off on one (other than I'd moved forward with the pace of the traffic and 'took' 'his' place in the line when he'd been weaving around trying to get past the other driver. The third I had a meathead over-reacting to me stating the bloody obvious.

First one you are beeping and flashing your lights when there was no contact at all

Second one you are twirling your finger round your temple and wonder why that doesn't placate him

Third one you called the other driver a dickhead and yet you still think you did nothing

You say you've been involved in dozens of similar incidents, don't you think that you are contributing to them?

Not on a high horse either, I've had my fair share of things like that, you have to be honest and accept your own part in it though.
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Re: Road Rage
« Reply #311 on: June 4, 2018, 09:31:33 pm »
About three months back I was coming home from football. At a massive roundabout the left lane is for first two turns, the right lane for any other. I enter the roundabout and some dickhead in the right lane swerved in front of me and cut me off. He started in wrong lane and barged into mine causing me to jam on.

He deliberately drove slower around this and the next two roundabouts. As he exited the second roundabout he was laughing at me.

Well laugh was on him. The thick c*nt had a company car, company got an irate email that night. Next day they mailed saying they would look into this. I made sure they would get back to me.

Rang them a week later. They got the car and said the driver got a final warning and was warned as to his future conduct on road and told never under any circumstances right or wrong to antagonise other drivers or behave that way.

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Re: Road Rage
« Reply #312 on: June 4, 2018, 09:35:48 pm »
Ever stop to think that you might be involved in so many of these incidents because you are one of them?

Most people let dickheads go by without feeling the need to 'beep & flash', give people 'the stare' or the 'yap-yap' hand gesture.

Takes two to tango.

Tbf this is a fairly logical conclusion.
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Re: Road Rage
« Reply #313 on: June 4, 2018, 10:22:20 pm »
Problem with road rage is you don't know who you are tangling with. Our kid looks like a teddy bear but is hard as nails, so has had a few dicks kick off on him. The results have been knocked some fellas teeth out, banged some fellas head repeatedly against a car roof and bust some wankers cheek. Every one of these started on him and threw the first punch.
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Re: Road Rage
« Reply #314 on: June 4, 2018, 10:27:30 pm »
Problem with road rage is you don't know who you are tangling with. Our kid looks like a teddy bear but is hard as nails, so has had a few dicks kick off on him. The results have been knocked some fellas teeth out, banged some fellas head repeatedly against a car roof and bust some wankers cheek. Every one of these started on him and threw the first punch.
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Re: Road Rage
« Reply #315 on: June 4, 2018, 11:21:47 pm »
Woah there, fella. In none of the three examples have I wound-up another driver to initiate things.

In the first I nearly had my front end took off by a dickhead. The second I don't know why he went off on one (other than I'd moved forward with the pace of the traffic and 'took' 'his' place in the line when he'd been weaving around trying to get past the other driver. The third I had a meathead over-reacting to me stating the bloody obvious.

1st one was a Dickhead, 3rd one was a Meathead . . . . you forgot to let us know what the 2nd one was.

Come on, out with it, we need to know.    :P

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Re: Road Rage
« Reply #316 on: June 4, 2018, 11:26:36 pm »
Problem with road rage is you don't know who you are tangling with. Our kid looks like a teddy bear but is hard as nails, so has had a few dicks kick off on him. The results have been knocked some fellas teeth out, banged some fellas head repeatedly against a car roof and bust some wankers cheek. Every one of these started on him and threw the first punch.
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Re: Road Rage
« Reply #317 on: June 5, 2018, 09:01:53 am »
Fuckin hell, who does your brother think he is . . . . . Nobby Reserve?     :lickin
said he looks like a teddy bear

i'm picturing gentle ben



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Re: Road Rage
« Reply #318 on: June 5, 2018, 11:56:59 am »
It's not far from the point I was trying to make. I wasn't making a plea for sympathy, but a) wondering when it became so normal to not only not acknowledge ones own fuck up with a contrite wave, but to show aggression toward the 'victim' of the driving fuckwittedness if they have the temerity to 'complain'; and b) noting how many crazy fucktards are on the road.

Whilst I'll always point out another driver's idiocy or cuntish behavior to them (if it impacts me personally) by way of flashing/beeping/hand gestures, I'd never dream of following someone who pointed out my own poor driving with the aim of starting a physical confrontation.

So many insecure - and shit - drivers knocking around.

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Re: Road Rage
« Reply #319 on: June 5, 2018, 12:34:55 pm »
I think the sensible thing to do is wait until you can see who's in the car. If its someone small, potentially wearing glasses or have a 'my other car is a Millenium Falcon' sticker on the boot, then you're quite safe to flash and beep at them.
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.