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Why This Pre-Season Is Telling Us So Much
« on: July 30, 2004, 02:20:52 pm »
Pre-season friendlies are not meaningless. They don't actually count for anything (even if you win a shiny cup - although there's rarely any expense spent: you'll tend to find it was purchased from the local high street trophy shop, and upon closer inspection will reveal a bronze-coloured figurine of a darts player with a football super-glued to his foot), but still they can provide useful insights.

Can the players - as first indications suggest - really improve dramatically under Benitez? Or rather, had the limitations of the previous management meant many were unable to remove their light from under those pesky proverbial bushells? Frankly, anyone who can get Henchoz to score the first time he takes charge of a team has to have the Midas touch, surely?

It's easy to get carried away, and that's clearly dangerous (Celtic had just played Chelsea in searing heat a couple of days earlier, although they were ahead of us in their preparation - as were Chelsea, who started training a week before us - and while Celtic were not at full-strength against us, we also neglected to field their strongest side at any given point. Celtic then beat Man U, so some comparisons with two of our rivals can be made).

Pass-and-move is easier without the pressure of a "real" game, of course. What struck me, however, was just how good our pass-and-move was. For the first twenty minutes, every player did the same thing: one touch to control and then pass with the second; or simply a first-time pass. All well and good until the ball landed at Milan Baros' feet, and then for him it was 73-touches-and-counting, heading towards the byline (has another Liverpool player ever won so many corners?). Of course, once the ball is in the final third there's less space, therefore you either want the kind of inch-perfect and incisive one-twos that Cisse and Murphy played for the Frenchman's two goals (which aren't easy to play), or you're looking for players to beat their men with skill or pace to work an opening: and hence you expect players like Kewell, Owen, Baros, Gerrard, Pongolle and Cisse to run with the ball when there's nothing else on.

But the improvement in our play doesn't stop there. Take Igor Biscan (something I'd have implored you to do a couple of seasons back).

He may have become a laughing stock (unfairly) to many last season, but I felt that there was some real quality present (having believed, after his abject and mildly-horrifying performances in 2001 in the Worthington Cup Final and at Goodison Park, that he was a total waste of space). I'm not saying seeing qualities in him last season means I'm a superior judge to anyone else, but when I assess a player I'm watching all aspects of their game - not just the obvious aspects, like goals or mistakes.

But I also look for consistency - it's the sign of a great player, not a potentially great player. I'm of the belief that any professional footballer can have at least one amazing game, and look a world-beater, if he's full of confidence. Many players are buzzing on their debuts, but cannot sustain it: Diouf scored two-thirds of his LFC league goals on his home debut (however, watching the first few games of someone like Patrik Berger, you could tell he was top quality and something rather special, even if he went off the boil for a while shortly after; you never quite got the sense with Diouf that he could deliver). It's how you cope with the ups and downs over a period of months or years that proves your quality.

Igor is another who started his Liverpool career well, in late 2000; his first few games included wins over Arsenal and Man U, and he did well in central midfield. However, I didn't see enough to make me think he could be a world-beater - this Gullit-esque player Ossie Ardiles claimed Igor was; he looked merely steady. In a bizarre way, it was last year at centre back that I could see Igor really was the real deal, and potentially something special (ignoring the silly lapses in concentration and lack of experience in that role). There were times when he charged upfield with the ball and was an awesome sight. That was soon knocked out of him by Phil Thompson; in a sense you could see why, but it was another symbol of the lack of invention of recent years - you don't want silly risks, but if you take no risks at all in football you'll never get out of your own half (or you do so simply by launching the ball 60 yards).

However, you can make those kind of charging runs from deep in midfield with less risk attached. You only had to see those he made against Wrexham and then the brilliant run that led to Riise's goal against Celtic to see that he could really make an impact this season. Later in the Celtic game, he chased back and made a brilliant interception down in the right full-back position.

He's got extremely good control, is clearly very fit, has great pace and acceleration, and looks much stronger than when he arrived in England. He's also good in the air - a bonus from a midfielder for set pieces. He has the making of a great all-round player, and could form a powerhouse midfield partnership with Stevie G, with the two alternating their forward bursts (if only one of the central midfielders has license to attack, he becomes easier to mark). Igor's yet to prove he can read the game like Didi Hamann, but his greater pace helps; if he's fractionally slower in seeing something, he can make it up with his strong running. Of course, I'd never write Didi off - he's too good to dispose of before Igor (or anyone else) proves their consistency.

With just Cisse and Josemi added - the former a certain starter, the latter a tough and uncompromising defender who may become our right back - it will give Rafa the chance to prove that GH bought extremely well, on average, but that he didn't get the best out of them. (For example, GH is still criticised for buying Biscan, but if he plays as he has been this summer, that will need re-assessing). With the CL qualifiers looming, we have the benefit of a squad that has been together for a few years now; and finally, in pre-season at least, Rafa has got them playing like they've actually met before. When it comes to reaching the first objective of our season - to qualify for the CL - then the familiarity and unity will be a great benefit. The last thing you need is four or five new players thrown in, and there being no understanding. If we qualify, then more money will be there to be spent, and new players can be purchased and blooded more slowly.

Look at Chelsea in 2002/03 - not a single player added to the squad, and they improved on their previous season to pip us for fourth spot. Even last year, for all those hefty cheques, Ranieri stuck mostly with players bought before Abramovich's cash injection. Of course, the more top-class players you buy, the better your chances of getting it right eventually. But understanding - and practice to make it perfect - is a crucial part of that process.


Which brings me onto my second point: training, and keeping the ball.
 
The reports from training encourage me massively. Players have commented on how they are doing more work with the ball and not so much running without it. As well as Rafa's hell-bent desire to win every game - even a friendly - there's the way he has changed the approach of the players.

On a personal note, I used to hate pre-season training, pounding the streets or jogging in total boredom around the football field for hours. I'd always be far more knackered (and enthusiastic to train a few days later) after a good hard 5-a-side into which I'd put every ounce of energy (after all, you're jogging, sprinting, tackling, shooting - all the muscles you need for a full game are stretched, with unpredictable movements). The more players enjoy training, the better they feel generally.

You need to do some running and conditioning work, but better (for example) to instruct a player to run the length of the pitch as fast as he can with the ball under control and shoot at goal (even if it's an empty net) than to just do plain running work. The ball itself is crucial - it should be a friend (how few LFC players under Houllier believed that!). I remember that eccentric 1970s/80s goalkeeper John Burridge used to go to sleep with a football and his keeper's gloves on; perhaps going too far, but it should certainly be with you at all times during training. You imagine players like Zidane have such great control because they work with a ball all the time. Okay, Djimi Traore's never going to have that kind of touch, but it'll help him to do more than run very fast. You can imagine a genius like Zidane or Aimar treating the ball like a lover (not literally, of course. That would just be wrong).

We went from a training program that was too relaxed under Evans (all 5-a-sides - where you can imagine out-of-condition certain players, like Neil Ruddock, coasting - although even coasting suggests some level of effort) to too little ball work under GH. I've always felt Rafa needs to ally the pass-and-move of Evans'-era LFC to the hard-work and defensive nous of Houllier's LFC (the combination Valencia seemed to find). An example of what Houllier excelled at was in working out how to return from an away European game (stay the night in the country and get a good night's sleep) and arrive back refreshed; we won something like 11 out of 12 league games after away trips to the continent. He knew the "scientific" preparations inside out, but the team wasn't doing enough in terms of how to play the game. Under Evans, the lack of fitness training as the game progressed and became more modern and scientific meant we were okay when we had the ball, but not capable of competing to win it back when we didn't.

Above all else, intense ball-work leads to players understanding each other's games better - the instinctive moves are transfered to the pitch because players are used to how their teammates move, and each player can pop off one-touch passes.

My main concern (only concern?) at the moment is that the players end up training too hard during the season. The physical demands of the Spanish league far are less than the Premiership: both in terms of each individual game, and because we play more games in this country with shorter rest periods. Just as marathon runners ease off in their training before a race, you need to keep gas in the tank for a big match, and the games themselves are the most stringent form of exercise. Training Liverpool's players in terms of fitness as he did Valencia's could be problematic. Hopefully Rafa appreciates that; he's not stupid, so I'm sure he will. He's studied English coaching enough in the past. We don't want to burn-out and "hit a wall" in January. Champions tend to stay with the leading pack and then hit the front in the second half of the season; it's not essential, but it tends to work that way. You need to keep freshness; Alex Ferguson has taken to giving his players two weeks off at various points of the season (although, this doesn't explain why they all go missing when playing us). The best part of a pass-and-move style is that you make the ball do most of the work; the extra conditioning is needed to make sure you can win the ball back once you've lost it.

Of course, the main key for Rafa will be how he works the rotation: keeping super-fit players from going over the edge, and into fatigue. You then need to balance the rotation so that you retain most of your key players for most games; changing an entire team from week to week was Claudio Ranieri's main problem at times at Chelsea. Too little rotation, and you burn-out. Too much, and you lose the rhythm a successful team - such as Arsenal - needs. If we can't yet match Arsenal's first eleven in terms of quality, then we can hope that freshness - and our greater striking options - may win the day. If not, so long as we have a good season trying.

Whatever happens, the initial signs are as good as they can possibly be. And while it ultimately doesn't mean anything until the first ball is kicked, it's always preferable to be in good shape and winning friendly matches, rather than bad shape and losing.

© Paul Tomkins 2004
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Re: Why This Pre-Season Is Telling Us So Much
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2004, 03:38:54 pm »
Very enjoyable article. Thanks Paul you have a knack of summing up what I'm thinking with better analysis than i'm capable of meself (though I'm not so optimistic about Mr. Biscan ) !

just a point for any passing moderators though - pieces like this would get more reads if they spent a few hours on the LFC forum first before getting onto 'Opinion'. I've noticed it with me own posts - more reads in 3 hours on the Forum than 3 weeks on the 'opinion'.

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« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2004, 04:26:46 pm »
I do enjoy your posts Paul
ps I hope Josemi has enough time to settle in if he's at RB, for he needs a very very good understanding with Stevie G.
Last year when GH allowed Carra over the half way line, the 2 of them knew where one was and so forth.
Gerrard frequently collects the ball near the centre circle and (if a diagonal pass-of-the-match ball isn't available) passes it back to the RB before nipping forward into the channel in front of him.
I think knowing Kewell was on the left, meant that Stevie often goes right ( though of course his strength is also coming in from the left) and I just hope the RB works long and hard on an understanding with Stevie.

Also Michael tends to go the opposite side of the box if Stevie has the ball, as opposed to central or closer to the left if Riise/Kewell has it, so our RB if they are crossing needs to understand this too..
Should be interesting and I'm sure most of us are more excited at this season's start than for a couple of years.
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Re: Why This Pre-Season Is Telling Us So Much
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2004, 04:39:38 pm »
Cheers, fellas  :)

It'll be interesting to see how the interplay develops between certain players. For example, Cisse and Murphy not only appear to be singing from the same songsheet, they appeared to be in note-perfect harmony. I'd have liked to have seen ALT as a substitute option with Flo, as they can create stuff for each other, but maybe in a year's time...

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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2004, 05:23:00 pm »
good read mate,

hope your right about biscan.

really think we could all be supprised by may, especially if vieria goes. think chelsea have bought a few potential flops aswell.

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Re: Why This Pre-Season Is Telling Us So Much
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2004, 05:41:50 pm »
just a point for any passing moderators though - pieces like this would get more reads if they spent a few hours on the LFC forum first before getting onto 'Opinion'. I've noticed it with me own posts - more reads in 3 hours on the Forum than 3 weeks on the 'opinion'.

Prehaps, although views of http://www.redandwhitekop.com/article.php?id=542303 dont increase the number of reads column.

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« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2004, 06:30:00 pm »
Another superb piece mate.

On Igor Biscan, if yer look at his career at Anfield he has always looked to run with the ball at his feet. And most of the time he has been quite successful at doing so. Remember his debut against Ipswich, when he came off the bench and started to run the game nearly. He then followed it up with 2 superbly dominatent performances against Arsenal and Man Utd.

One thing I think he has lacked over his career maybe is the confidence from his manager to play him consistently in what seems to be his best position. I think, like Stevie, that his high-energy game is designed for the kind of football Rafa seems to want us to play.

I personally think he should start in this position along side Stevie for the game against Spurs and see how we go from there. As yer've said in yer article he has everything in his game to be a success so lets give him the chance and the support to be that.
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Re: Why This Pre-Season Is Telling Us So Much
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2004, 06:35:38 pm »
A regular run in midfield might just be the trick for Igor. I think the trouble he had settling into consistent form in his first season, plus being played at right midfield and right back, on top of struggling to attune to the pace at times, caused him to totally lose his confidence and focus. As I said in a previous article, the spell at centre back, while flawed, will have been the perfect education for English football - he got plenty of games, and toughened up a bit.

I guess my point is that he could be a real bonus; if it turns out he can't hack it, then nothing is lost, is it? It'd be nice if Rafa didn't need many new players because squad players find their feet under his stewardship and become key players.

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« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2004, 06:40:57 pm »
Also him playing for a full season in Croatia and signing for us at the end of it. Don't think that helped him physically.

I honestly believe he will be a great player given him to develop into the role.

I do agree as well that he was naive to a degree on the style and physical side of the english game. Am sure now these things have been removed from his game.

One final point, on his spell at centre half. I don't agree with the majority that is was unsuccessful. That he failed there. Or that he was anyhing less than decent for us. He made mistakes that fans picked up on and critisced but let go for others. He played many a superb game for us, and even though Stephane is a better defender than him I always thought we looked more comfortable as a team when he figuared at the back.
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« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2004, 07:43:35 pm »

One final point, on his spell at centre half. I don't agree with the majority that is was unsuccessful. That he failed there. Or that he was anyhing less than decent for us. He made mistakes that fans picked up on and critisced but let go for others. He played many a superb game for us, and even though Stephane is a better defender than him I always thought we looked more comfortable as a team when he figuared at the back.


I agree 100%. Our best football and most of our best results last season came with Igor in the team (because his pace meant we could defend further up the pitch). As you say, in pure defending terms, Henchoz is better, but I always rated Igor's contribution. A shame he made those silly lapses, as it gave people a stick to beat him with.


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« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2004, 08:08:03 pm »
One final point, on his spell at centre half.............................. He made mistakes that fans picked up on and critisced but let go for others. He played many a superb game for us, and even though Stephane is a better defender than him I always thought we looked more comfortable as a team when he figuared at the back.

Well said Ian / Paul.

I got slaughtered last season for daring to suggest similar, because everyone wanted a scapegoat.  So blame the newcomer regardless. ::)

He made mistakes, as did everyone, but his good points were ignored.  Tragic.

As you have both said he was usually comfortable on the ball and would run into midfield spaces when he saw them .......... often to eventually be closed down ....... because no Red shirts would show for a pass or run into space.

At least Igor was thinking like a footballer unlike some of his teammates / manager.

He just got on with the job when many others would have complained / slagged off the old manager (Heskey anyone?).  For that alone he deserves our support and another chance.
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Re: Why This Pre-Season Is Telling Us So Much
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2004, 08:59:55 pm »
Seems like this is turning into another "Igor" thread, so here goes.

Some players get rightly slagged when it becomes obvious that they have no interest other than pay day. NOt many of the foreigners get recognition when they bite the bullet and play in the reserves or sit on the bench for a long time. To my knowledge Igor has never complained in public, never tried to uppset the apple cart and you can see when he plays he's just like Asa Hartford ( a whole hearted player, for those under 40). The UEFA game at Anfield were he made a run upfield and almost scored. Bet he had to scrub for 2 weeks to get the grin of his face. This kid wants to win for Liverpool, if he was scouse or Joey Jones he'd be untouchable.
I'm gonna stick my neck out even further here. If some stat guy with access to video can tell me Stevie G's fatal errors (bad pass, loosing the ball in wrong plass, sticking a leg out in the pen area) didn't result in almost as many goals as Igor' are supposed to have I'd be surprised.

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Re: Why This Pre-Season Is Telling Us So Much
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2004, 09:31:52 pm »



I agree 100%. Our best football and most of our best results last season came with Igor in the team (because his pace meant we could defend further up the pitch). As you say, in pure defending terms, Henchoz is better, but I always rated Igor's contribution. A shame he made those silly lapses, as it gave people a stick to beat him with.




I agree... Igor played some very good games last season, but, like everyone else, did the odd mistake. But so did Sami and Stephane. The fact is that Sami and Stephane lives on reputations build the first few seasons when they were simply awesome. Two seasons ago with Djimi replacing an injuried Henchoz, it was often Djimi that came to Sami`s rescue, but whenever something went wrong it was Djimi that was critisized...

Same last season with Igor... Bad positional play by Sami would lead to a goal, and everyone was having a go at Igor. I am not claiming that Igor is better than Sami or Stephane but they have never been judged by the same criteria... Im not sure Igor should be a regular in midfield, but i sure would like to keep him as a very decent squad player.

He never runs crying to the papers...he just works hard and stays loyal. He should be applauded for that!


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Re: Why This Pre-Season Is Telling Us So Much
« Reply #13 on: August 2, 2004, 06:32:22 pm »
Good post mate. I agree with the bit about igor. I rate he as a good strong player and i have heard only good reports about him in his favoured midfield role. Though he will never be a did i think we should all give him another chance.
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Re: Why This Pre-Season Is Telling Us So Much
« Reply #14 on: August 2, 2004, 11:56:47 pm »


A lot of the replies are about your first point, Igor, so I'll leave that.


Basically, I think you've hit the nail on the head with your second point. How many times last season did our players look like they thought the ball was a ticking bomb and rush to get rid? Far too many.


I once heard a story (dunno if it's true but I can believe it) that after a couple of weeks when LFC were giving away possession too cheaply Shanks made them train for an entire week without a ball. His reasoning was that by the time Saturday came they would be so desperate to get a touch of it they wouldn't even dream of wasting possession!... Still makes me smile...



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« Reply #15 on: August 3, 2004, 10:33:18 am »
Trouble was, under GH we seemed to do little work with the ball all week, and still the players weren't desperate for a touch!  ;)

Possession is crucial, but it's how you use it. The one thing under GH we failed to do was keep the ball well when we had the lead. I also don't want to go back to the days under Evans, mainly towards the end of his time, where we had too much meaningless possession and could have done with being more direct and incisive at times. It's a balance, and I feel Rafa knows what that balance needs to be. (Similar to Arsenal, for example; they pass it about, but aren't afraid to break quickly and directly).

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Re: Why This Pre-Season Is Telling Us So Much
« Reply #16 on: August 4, 2004, 08:36:33 am »
To me, the key point from all the pre-season games is that we have done exactly what Rafa said that we would - defend 15 metres further up the pitch. That in itself totally changes the way things unfold on the pitch. What was so depressing about watching England in Euro 2004 was how familiar the tactics looked!! I often thought that we were watching Liverpool because, even when we took the lead, we wouldn't defend any further than ten yards out of our own box. No wonder we never kept the ball and kept conceding goals! I think that in the last two years, LFC proved conclusively that this tactic is unlikely to work except maybe if you have the absolute best defence! By moving up the pitch, we put the opposition under more pressure and give ourselves a bit more time.....let's hope it continues in the proper games!.