Topic: Discussion re how to bake in our success for the long term

[Kenny's Jacket]

Because it is an old fashioned concept in which you pretty much only signed players from one agent or agency. A clubs recruitment strategy should be about the best player for each position chosen by the manager.

It shouldn't be about an agent having an in at one particular Club and flooding it with their clients.

Who were these 30 people?

[Eeyore]

The High number was why I asked. Perhaps when he was managing the Kids.

I am talking about 30 or 40% of the first team at one time being clients of one agency and 80 to 90% of pundits being from the same agency.

[Kenny's Jacket]

I am talking about 30 or 40% of the first team at one time being clients of one agency and 80 to 90% of pundits being from the same agency.

and how did Gerrard get these players into the 1st team and who were they? Who was the manager at the time?

[Eeyore]

and how did Gerrard get these players into the 1st team and who were they? Who was the manager at the time?

"I became an agent in 1991 and in the last 10 years I'd say I've probably arranged between 18 to 20 deals with Liverpool. This is the only one which has been untidy.

"My first client at Liverpool was Dominic Matteo. He introduced me to Jamie Carragher, who in turn told Steven Gerrard about how I worked. I brought Emile Heskey to the club and arranged his move away last season and I've represented Gary McAllister for many years.

This is the agent. I suggest you have a look at how many deals he subsequently did with the Club.

[Kenny's Jacket]

This is the agent. I suggest you have a look at how many deals he subsequently did with the Club.

Youve already told us 30 

Same agent Steven had when he didnt sign for Chelsea.  Same agent that was dealing with LFC when Steven was a kid

Nothing to see here mate.

[Eeyore]

Youve already told us 30 

Same agent Steven had when he didnt sign for Chelsea.  Same agent that was dealing with LFC when Steven was a kid

Nothing to see here mate.

Well considering the agent readily admitted to 18 to 20 deals pre 2005 I can easily fill in another 10-12 if you require.

The really interesting bit though is what percentage of the agencies business includes Liverpool. Unsurprisingly it is ridiculously high.

Even better check out how many pundits are represented by the same agency.

[classycarra]

"I became an agent in 1991 and in the last 10 years I'd say I've probably arranged between 18 to 20 deals with Liverpool. This is the only one which has been untidy.

"My first client at Liverpool was Dominic Matteo. He introduced me to Jamie Carragher, who in turn told Steven Gerrard about how I worked. I brought Emile Heskey to the club and arranged his move away last season and I've represented Gary McAllister for many years.

This is the agent. I suggest you have a look at how many deals he subsequently did with the Club.

To those interested, this is Al's source https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/20-kop-deals-gerrards-been-3529631

In it, the agent guesses at making 18-20 deals with liverpool in the past ten years (ie 1995 - 2005). No sign of a guess at the number of players 'placed at Liverpool', would be cool Al if you tried to back up your claims instead of leaving other people to research for you. You did the same yesterday where you claimed Zorc didn't have a hit and miss record with transfers at Dortmund, unlike Edwards. Any evidence Gerrard has picked up players for Rangers based on their agent?

[deFacto please, you bastards]

As lovely as this conversation is, its the most pre-mature conversation in football considering however many years Klopp has left on his contract.

Gerrard on the other hand will have to improve significantly to get the job at that point, otherwise it's going to be Souness 2.0 imo.

[duvva 💅]

As lovely as this conversation is, its the most pre-mature conversation in football considering however many years Klopp has left on his contract.

Gerrard on the other hand will have to improve significantly to get the job at that point, otherwise it's going to be Souness 2.0 imo.

Weirdly enough I was having a similar conversation about who might be next with my brother today. I said something similar about Gerrard, but the more I thought about it I think it’s just the link with Rangers and him being a great player. The reality should be quite different if he were to be next as he would likely be joining at a point where the club is strong and heading in the right direction with a clear set up in place.

I think when Souness came back, although the rot had already set in, he tried to change too much too quickly, and that shouldn’t be required this time around.
Doesn’t mean Gerrard will/would fair any better but I think if he did come next he’d pick up a much more settled and healthy club.

[Kenny's Jacket]

Well considering the agent readily admitted to 18 to 20 deals pre 2005 I can easily fill in another 10-12 if you require.

The really interesting bit though is what percentage of the agencies business includes Liverpool. Unsurprisingly it is ridiculously high.

Even better check out how many pundits are represented by the same agency.

Q
Im not interested the least in the pundits. How does that effect Stens ability to do the job?

Now are you suggesting Steven profited from this relationship?
Is there anything to suggest the relationship was bad for Liverpool?
If its bad why were Houllier, Rafa, Evans so complicit? 

[Eeyore]

To those interested, this is Al's source https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/20-kop-deals-gerrards-been-3529631

In it, the agent guesses at making 18-20 deals with liverpool in the past ten years (ie 1995 - 2005). No sign of a guess at the number of players 'placed at Liverpool', would be cool Al if you tried to back up your claims instead of leaving other people to research for you. You did the same yesterday where you claimed Zorc didn't have a hit and miss record with transfers at Dortmund, unlike Edwards. Any evidence Gerrard has picked up players for Rangers based on their agent?

I dunno you could look at Rangers best paid player and guess which agency he is represented by. Doh I wonder if that will be the same agency as Gerrard or not.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/11322687/Jermain-Defoe-offered-to-Liverpool-in-January-transfer-window.html

https://talksport.com/football/227129/liverpool-urged-sign-jermain-defoe-talksport-told-veteran-striker-can-have-zlatan/

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/liverpool-transfer-news-sunderland-jermain-16995101

[classycarra]

I dunno you could look at Rangers best paid player and guess which agency he is represented by. Doh I wonder if that will be the same agency as Gerrard or not.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/11322687/Jermain-Defoe-offered-to-Liverpool-in-January-transfer-window.html

https://talksport.com/football/227129/liverpool-urged-sign-jermain-defoe-talksport-told-veteran-striker-can-have-zlatan/

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/liverpool-transfer-news-sunderland-jermain-16995101

One rangers example down, about 25 signings 'placed' at liverpool to go.

Do you think signing Defoe is proof that Gerrard is influenced by his agent to a degree that he'd have to "above all" change behaviour to be considered at Liverpool a long way down the line?

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Weirdly enough I was having a similar conversation about who might be next with my brother today. I said something similar about Gerrard, but the more I thought about it I think it’s just the link with Rangers and him being a great player. The reality should be quite different if he were to be next as he would likely be joining at a point where the club is strong and heading in the right direction with a clear set up in place.

I think when Souness came back, although the rot had already set in, he tried to change too much too quickly, and that shouldn’t be required this time around.
Doesn’t mean Gerrard will/would fair any better but I think if he did come next he’d pick up a much more settled and healthy club.

Even with a great set up, that doesn't translate to success on the pitch. Gerrard imo will need to do something worthy as a manager to get his job, otherwise it's doomed for failure. It's too big of a risk, and all the work done can be undone with someone who isn't qualified enough for te job. For one he needs to establish his philosophy whatever it may be. Managing Rangers really isn't worth mentioning. Neil Lennon won things at Celtic, and followed up with a job with Bolton.

He needs to be thinking about futher challenging himself and making some kind of mark as a manager in a better league.

[duvva 💅]

Even with a great set up, that doesn't translate to success on the pitch. Gerrard imo will need to do something worthy as a manager to get his job, otherwise it's doomed for failure. It's too big of a risk, and all the work done can be undone with someone who isn't qualified enough for te job. For one he needs to establish his philosophy whatever it may be. Managing Rangers really isn't worth mentioning. Neil Lennon won things at Celtic, and followed up with a job with Bolton.

He needs to be thinking about futher challenging himself and making some kind of mark as a manager in a better league.

As you said originally it’s all rather premature, as Gerrard may not be experienced or proven when the opportunity arises. Also no one other than Klopp knows if he’ll stay on past the end of this contract.

I only responded as it just so happened I’d had a similar conversation today and my main point was more that the club should be in a very different situation to when Souness came in, so I don’t think the Souness comparison is necessarily an accurate one. I’d agree that Gerrard still has plenty to prove though as things stand.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

As you said originally it’s all rather premature, as Gerrard may not be experienced or proven when the opportunity arises. Also no one other than Klopp knows if he’ll stay on past the end of this contract.

I only responded as it just so happened I’d had a similar conversation today and my main point was more that the club should be in a very different situation to when Souness came in, so I don’t think the Souness comparison is necessarily an accurate one. I’d agree that Gerrard still has plenty to prove though as things stand.

I get you mate, was just adding on to what you said 

[Gainsbarre]

That's simple. Just make Klopp sign the fucking contract extension! End of story...

[free_at_last]

That's simple. Just make Klopp sign the fucking contract extension! End of story...

Just put a horse's head in his bed. It's not his life, it's Liverpool's life.

[Alan_X]

What the fuck is this all about?

Locked.

[royhendo]

What the fuck is this all about?

Locked.

I should explain sir - this started out as a derailment of the Michael Edwards thread.