I think I probably titled this thread wrong twice and may not have explained the initial premise too well either, the issue for me Shanklyboy isn't whether we let Houllier go at the right time or wrong time, this thread has very little to do with Houllier in reality but I suppose what I was getting at is that the grass isn't always greener and whether had Houllier been given more time would we have continued on the decline or could he have pulled it around? If he hadn't lost the fans and players then I think he would have, at least enough to provide a few more trophies and may be even get us challenging for the big honours again. And it's that faith from the fans and players that I'm calling on to hold stronger this time around, especially given the entirely different nature of Rafa's football to Houllier's. That's not even factoring the who would even want the job with the two american c*nts here.