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Another great shift in the economics of football
« on: November 18, 2006, 01:22:21 am »
An article in Thursday's Independent suggests that another great shift in the economics of football will take place over the next couple of years (I've pasted the article at the bottom of my post).

Italian and Spanish clubs negotiate individual TV deals, which contrasts with the Premiership's collective agreement.  This means that the top Spanish and Italian clubs keep all attributable revenues, whereas the Premiership's big clubs cross-subsidise smaller teams.

To date, the effect of the Premiership cross subsidy on England's top teams has been significant, but not excessive.  It looks like that will change.  Real Madrid and Barcelona each look set to reap an additional £40 million per year from new TV deals over the next couple of years (N.B. I'm inferring the figure for Barcelona from Madrid's increase - it seems reasonable to assume their increases would be roughly commensurate).

The Madrid and Barca increases come on the back of a similar but slightly smaller increase for Milan announced last season (which takes full effect from next season, from memory).

By implication, whereas our club presently struggles to afford the purchase price for world class players, it will become nigh on impossible in the near future.  Our future purchases will almost exclusively come from the second and third tier.

The supply of world class players will remain more or less fixed, at least over the short to medium term.  However, it is debatable how deep the supply of world class talent runs.  I would argue that if you genuinely discerning, there are probably no more than 3-4 world class players at each position, or 6-8 among centrebacks and strikers, where there are two positions to be filled.  Even that may be a little excessive.  Give or take, there may be something like 30-40 top line players in total, at most.

At present, the number of world class players changing hands each summer is relatively stable.  I'd say in the average summer, around a half dozen top level names shift clubs.  It rises to maximum of maybe a dozen or so in a World Cup or European Championship year.

Purchase prices for top players usually range from £12-25 million, depending on position and the purchasing needs of the wealthiest clubs.  On current revenues, Arsenal, Liverpool and United can probably sustainably afford to buy one top class player a summer with a price of around 10-15M (it is arguably a little more than 15M for United, and maybe a little less than that for us and Arsenal).

The figures from the new TV deals signed in Spain and Italy suggest Barca and Real can afford additional expenditure equivalent to 2-3 extra world class signings per summer at current prices, while Milan can afford 2 perhaps extra players. 

The shift in the supply-demand balance suggests that:

i) the price for top class players will go up in coming years, perhaps significantly;

ii) the average number of transfers of top players per year can be expected to increase slightly over time, with top players moving from second tier leagues and clubs more rapidly - the likes of Torres, Riquelme and Joaquin playing for lesser clubs for extended periods will become more of a rarity;

iii) the effects of i) and ii) will mitigate one another to a certain extent;

iii) when world class players come on the market, Premiership clubs other than Chelsea won't be able to compete, and will likely have to settle for leftovers that Barca, Real and Milan don't want.


There are a number of implications, good and bad, for Liverpool to heed from these changes:

* "growing our own", developing second and third tier players, and savvy transfer market dealings will become increasingly important to our club's success;

* there will be a premium on exploiting the non-financial advantages that English football holds (e.g. cultural links Scotland, Wales and Ireland, northern European countries, the United States and other English speaking countries);

* emphasis should shift to building a great team, rather than a team of great players;

* the significance of Chelsea's financial dominance may increase, as they will soon be the only English team able to afford world class players;

* the significance of Manchester United's financial advantage over Liverpool is likely to fall.  After 10 years of having to watch United purchase the likes of Veron, Horse and Ferdinand, it is conceivable that Rooney may be the last player that United ever buy off the top shelf unless current financial arrangements change;

* Liverpool, Arsenal and United could slip further in the pecking order for top players if Inter and Juventus are able to negotiate similar deals;

* there may be significant benefits from maintaining good relations with the likes of Barca and Madrid, as these teams are likely to stockpile players in the way that Chelsea have, and will likely need to offload them relatively cheaply at times; and

* the only way for Liverpool, United and Arsenal to be able to compete in the market for top shelf talent will be to: successfully lobby for individual TV rights, so the cross-subsidy to lesser Premiership clubs is ceased; or get an owner like Abramovich who is not concerned with recovering the club's costs.

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Real swell coffers for team rebuilding with £543m television deal

The Independent

By Nick Harris
Published: 16 November 2006

Real Madrid are on the verge of signing a £543m television deal that will be "the most important contract in the history of world sport", according to the club's president, Ramon Calderon. "The deal guarantees us €800m over seven seasons and will be signed in the next few days," a club spokesman said.

The contract, for domestic games, will not be worth as much per year as Barcelona's next TV deal - a five-year package due to start in 2008 worth £81.4m a year - but Real's contract will be the most valuable overall.

Spanish clubs are allowed to negotiate individual deals with broadcasters, hence Real and Barcelona's ability to secure huge sums. That is not the case in England, where clubs negotiate collectively. The biggest earners in the Premiership last season from domestic TV alone were Manchester United (£30.65m), followed by Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal. Earnings vary depending on finishing position and the number of times each club's games are screened live.

However, the collective deal in the Premiership means that the income differential from television is relatively small between the top and bottom clubs, with the champions earning perhaps twice as much as the bottom side. In countries where clubs do individual deals, notably Italy and now Spain, the domestic TV earnings of the biggest clubs can outstrip the smallest in their division by 25 to one.

Real have not yet disclosed the name of company buying their rights, or when the new deal will start. Their rights are currently owned by the pay-TV firm Sogecable, which also holds the rights for most of La Liga. Sogecable currently pays Real £37.3m a year.

However, the publicly owned television station Telemadrid said earlier this month that it was going to bid for Real's rights and reports in Spain yesterday suggested that Telemadrid, backed by Madrid's regional government and the Caja Madrid bank, were on the brink of doing the deal. Telemadrid is free to air and would need to recoup its outlay via advertising.

* The Real Madrid president, Ramon Calderon, remains hopeful David Beckham will stay at the club. "We have offered a contract extension to Beckham... He represents the claw, the spirit of the club. I would like him to continue here."

The world's best TV deals

Barcelona £81.4m

Real Madrid £77.54m

Milan £67.82m

Man Utd £30.65m

Chelsea £30.41m

Liverpool £28.83m

Arsenal £28.72m

All earnings are from domestic TV rights only.
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Re: Another great shift in the economics of football
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2006, 03:06:38 am »
Which concentrates the power at the top even more, making it more boring for the neutrals to watch, causing them to switch off and do something else, so the TV companies get fucked and bid lower - fucking up the clubs who have to have a firesale, selling off their players for peanuts just to stay afloat.

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Re: Another great shift in the economics of football
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2006, 11:17:10 am »
Interesting read, but at the momement we cannot compete with the likes of Chelsea, Barca, Madrid. We behind the 8-ball as it is, so how much worse could it be? It's going to affect Man U at shit load more than us, I'd be worried if I were them.

We on the other hand have already taken the road for built a brillant team, rather than buy indvidual talent or a team of great players as you put it. We have the right Manager as well, when it comes to spending wisely in the transfer market.

I suppose the other thing would be, you can only field 11 players at one time, just look at Chelsea. And just look at Madrid before Capello arrived, you can have shit loads of money but that can only get you so far.
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Re: Another great shift in the economics of football
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2006, 11:49:39 am »
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Re: Another great shift in the economics of football
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2006, 11:53:21 am »
Individual tv contracts for each club is a shit idea. There's a limit to how much you can widen the gap between the best and the rest and still maintain some sort of long term interest in the sport.

Hopefully there will be ways to counter this.

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Re: Another great shift in the economics of football
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2006, 12:08:19 pm »
I've always been in favour of the collective TV deal because it does ensure that the smaller clubs can compete with the bigger ones - to an extent, at least.

However, maybe the time is coming when we have to begin to question this philosophy. Not so much so we can compete with Real Madrid and Milan but because of the state of the premiership.

Chelsea have such a huge advantage financially, whereas the biggest gainers through individual TV rights would be ourselves and Man Utd due to our greater popularity. It still wouldn't allow us to compete on a level playing field with Chelsea but it would help a little.

Secondly, due to the format of the Champions League and the additional revenue that raises for (basically) the same 4 teams each season the teams outside of this select group are already basically competing for 5th place each season.

The time may well come when the potential benefits of individual TV deals outweigh the disadvantages -  I don't think we are there yet, but we must be prepared to be open minded about this issue.

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Re: Another great shift in the economics of football
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2006, 12:08:39 pm »
If we had an individual TV deal it would move us further ahead from the other 16 teams in the Premiership. Man Utd apart, I reckon we could make more money than other team in the country from it.

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Re: Another great shift in the economics of football
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2006, 12:12:18 pm »
It's got nothing to do with transfer fees. First and foremost it is about wages. Non fashionable clubs might well be able to stump up the transfer fee but the decision to play for the club rests with the player and you can only get the very top players to your club with a combination of wages and the clubs rising stock. I.e when we won the CL our stock in terms of enticing the top players was at its highest and we had more chance of landing top stars if we had been able to afford them.

It was actually a shrewd move by Abramovich to bring Mourinho in. He bought credibility for Chelsea (a nothing club in terms of world club football) by securing the manager who had just won the Champions League. This was a fast way of making the top stars take notice. The likes of Juve, Madrid, Milan, Inter, Barca and still to a certain extent us are recognised world wide within the game so the club name alone carries value.

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Re: Another great shift in the economics of football
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2006, 12:30:30 pm »
Good post there mate. Nice to see quite a bit of your own analysis on it (enjoyed the economical tinge to it too!)

Seems to me as though it won't make as much of a difference as we think. Real and Barca are already the 2 biggest teams that players want to play for (I'm talking about world football here). The fact that they'll get more money means, as you say, that they'll be able to buy 1 or 2 top quality players more than they would normally. But what about the Chelsea effect? Teams know that Chelsea have money to burn, and so inflate their asking price accordingly, Drogba for £24m, Essien for a similar amount, Sean- bench warmer- Wright Philips £22m... etc. A similar thing would happen here, as soon as Barca or Real Madrid's interests are known in a player the price would inflate. We've had to compete with this anyway with Man U (Ronaldo, Vidic) and more recently, Arsenal (Walcott) and Chelsea.

Real and Barca are 2 of the biggest teams in the world anyway- them having the extra money won't make that much of a difference- if anything it could help us on the domestic front. Top players like Torres, Villa and the like will probably be more likely to join Barca or Madrid than Chelsea or ManU, making us (indirectly) more competitive in the league. It won't matter for us, as we have never looked to spending more than £15m on a player, let alone going into the £20m mark for top class strikers etc.

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Re: Another great shift in the economics of football
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2006, 12:40:06 pm »
may i say somethings in GOOD for chelsea (which i dont really want to but ...) .... Roman is pumbing $$$ into this INDUSTRY, paying out of range prices for young player (eg SWP), in the way which HELP some badly run club (in debt - Man City) .. which will help them have a better cash flow in the long run.....
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Re: Another great shift in the economics of football
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2006, 01:48:03 pm »
Carl Marx eh,the tendancy for wealth to be concentrated in fewer and fewer hands,Das Kapital me thinks!So scientific socialism isn't dead after all!

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Re: Another great shift in the economics of football
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2006, 01:56:13 pm »
Sorry my mistake.That should read Karl Marx,and Das Capital!

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Re: Another great shift in the economics of football
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2006, 08:15:19 pm »

Seems to me as though it won't make as much of a difference as we think. Real and Barca are already the 2 biggest teams that players want to play for (I'm talking about world football here). The fact that they'll get more money means, as you say, that they'll be able to buy 1 or 2 top quality players more than they would normally.


Quite arguably though that would mean players like Alonso and Kuyt would never make it to our club.

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Re: Another great shift in the economics of football
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2006, 08:23:05 pm »
 >:( dont agree with clubs negotiating individual tv deals as it means that smaller clubs like reading, wigan et al would fold due to their smaller fanbase. the current system--although not perfect with sky having the monopoly--means the smaller clubs have an equal bite of the cherry which in turn provides an incentive for clubs in the championship when they are promoted. with clubs negotiating their own individual deals it would lead to stagnation and i could see it killing off football. >:(
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Re: Another great shift in the economics of football
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2006, 08:25:39 pm »
It maybe just as well that we don't get money based on our TV games.
The home games would bring us loads of money but we would probably have to pay SKY to carry our away games.
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Re: Another great shift in the economics of football
« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2006, 08:29:32 pm »
As long as teams are only allowed to field 11 players at a time, things will not change much. We are already out of the competition for world class players.
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Re: Another great shift in the economics of football
« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2006, 08:35:47 pm »
We are already out of the competition for world class players.

How do you work that one out?
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Re: Another great shift in the economics of football
« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2006, 09:34:34 pm »
How do you work that one out?

Depends ofcourse of the definition of world class players. By worldclass i mean the likes of Rooney, players who cost 20m + and who are proven world class, not players who can bcome world class, those we can get - but we never do, that is another story though.
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Re: Another great shift in the economics of football
« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2006, 09:42:56 pm »
Depends ofcourse of the definition of world class players. By worldclass i mean the likes of Rooney, players who cost 20m + and who are proven world class, not players who can bcome world class, those we can get - but we never do, that is another story though.

Rooney was no more world class than Franny Jeffers when Fergie took a gamble on him.

Real Madrid will piss away that money on more rubbish. There are only so many players you can buy. We'll be OK, and we'll still manage to lose away to anyone, no matter how much we get. Plus ca change.
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Re: Another great shift in the economics of football
« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2006, 11:26:34 pm »
Rooney was no more world class than Franny Jeffers when Fergie took a gamble on him.

Real Madrid will piss away that money on more rubbish. There are only so many players you can buy. We'll be OK, and we'll still manage to lose away to anyone, no matter how much we get. Plus ca change.

To be fair, Rooney is one of Europes big talents, even if he is a class a c*nt. Fanny (as he shouldve been called) was nowhere near as good.


Im pretty sure we've read articles about Liverpool being priced out for the last 3-4 years, and the fact that we "will never be a force again" for the last 15.

Fortunately, reports of our demise have been greatly exaggerated. Even if we did not get a cash injection or get a new stadium we will always generate enough money to be a successful side, albeit maybe not a title-winning side. I would prefer to be in a similar position to now, than to sell out in an attempt to out-spend Chelsea.

The impact of Barca & Real having more money will not greatly impact us, as this has always been the case and of course they are not a direct domestic threat.

If anything, it may help because teams like Valencia, Real Betis, Depor etc will have less money and will not be able to buy or hang onto players that we would be in the market for


* the only way for Liverpool, United and Arsenal to be able to compete in the market for top shelf talent will be to: successfully lobby for individual TV rights, so the cross-subsidy to lesser Premiership clubs is ceased; or get an owner like Abramovich who is not concerned with recovering the club's costs.


I hope for footballs sake that never happens, but top flight football will probably kill off ) professionally anything below the championship (old 2nd division) in 10-15 years time anyway. If it did, we will stand benefit as one of the big four, and the biggest support base after Man U
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Re: Another great shift in the economics of football
« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2006, 12:58:39 am »
Surely it's all heading for a European Super league.
Whereby the television rights for those in the league will be on par.
Sadly although Wigan will have a chance of winning the National league it will be with inferior players than what they have at the moment due to the collapse of the Premier League and Sky money.
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Re: Another great shift in the economics of football
« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2006, 04:45:28 am »
If we had an individual TV deal it would move us further ahead from the other 16 teams in the Premiership. Man Utd apart, I reckon we could make more money than other team in the country from it.

I agree . I wonder would we even win this battle. I suspect we have more fans than anybody in the crucial target market age range 25-40
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Re: Another great shift in the economics of football
« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2006, 05:07:27 am »
It will be intersting to see what impact it has on the Spanish and Italian leagues.

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gets real barcking boring after a while, was good to see teams like Valencia get up and have a go.

Individual tv contracts wouldn't be allowed by the FA, it would see a lot of smaller clubs go to the wall.

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Re: Another great shift in the economics of football
« Reply #23 on: November 22, 2006, 08:09:54 am »
Thought tv money from sky goes up next year ?

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Re: Another great shift in the economics of football
« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2006, 07:15:56 pm »
Leave it as it is. Share the t.v. money as it is the money the big 4 earn is killing english football. Only the top 4 can afford to compete.Look at the great deal to share next seasons games, we will have to pay sky and sentana to watch footie next season. All individual t.v. deals will achive is the death of the english leauge and bring on a european superleage
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