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Re: Why Carroll and Suarez will be a success
« Reply #40 on: February 26, 2011, 06:24:08 pm »
great piece. To complete the puzzle, Liverpool need to buy Charlie Adam. Gerrard probably has 1 good season left in him and for us to build a formidable attack around Carroll & Suarez, we need Adam and possibly another good winger.

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Re: Why Carroll and Suarez will be a success
« Reply #41 on: February 26, 2011, 06:44:26 pm »
great piece. To complete the puzzle, Liverpool need to buy Charlie Adam. Gerrard probably has 1 good season left in him and for us to build a formidable attack around Carroll & Suarez, we need Adam and possibly another good winger.

I'm sure I read somewhere that Adam has to see a specialist regarding pains he has after each match.  Could just be gossip, but worth keeping an eye on.
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Re: Why Carroll and Suarez will be a success
« Reply #42 on: February 26, 2011, 07:59:24 pm »
Thanks, enjoyed that.  Looking forward to seeing them play together.

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Re: Why Carroll and Suarez will be a success
« Reply #43 on: February 26, 2011, 08:26:27 pm »
Very good read pal,
As a non supporter of LFC (but a huge admirer of LFC for 30+ years)I happen to think these two signings will quickly become fan favourites.
I cannot see how they won't make a huge difference BOTH ARE QUALITY signings they will both provide different options and I can see Kuyt being involved heavily with the pair.
He for me is a very underated individual in England,he has tremendous workrate and a tendency to score those VITAL goals when desperately needed.

I totally agree with the post as regarding both Charlie Adam and the need for a true out and out winger.
I think Liverpool should go for Aiden McGeady at Spartak in the summer as he definately has the tools for the job at Anfield.
£10 million is not alot of dough for what Aiden has.

That asside I think all of you are in for a terrific season next season as Im sure King Kenny will have your boys right at it from the off and playing a brand of football that befit's Englands premier Football Club.


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Re: Why Carroll and Suarez will be a success
« Reply #44 on: February 26, 2011, 08:29:12 pm »
Didn't Joe Cole get a league title last season?

I'm sure Reina won some mickey mouse trophy by virtue of being a squad player last year.

Suarez looks quality, no doubt about it. Yet to see how good Carroll turns out to be.
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Re: Why Carroll and Suarez will be a success
« Reply #45 on: February 26, 2011, 08:31:51 pm »
Great read!!  ;)

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Re: Why Carroll and Suarez will be a success
« Reply #46 on: February 26, 2011, 08:33:04 pm »
Thanks for all the comments guys.

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Re: Why Carroll and Suarez will be a success
« Reply #47 on: February 26, 2011, 09:53:51 pm »
Good read, thanks.
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Re: Why Carroll and Suarez will be a success
« Reply #48 on: February 26, 2011, 09:56:55 pm »
Excellent read Mr.D.

I know most people have written Ngog's P45 but I really hope he can learn from Suarez and particularly Carroll. Other than his working on his shooting technique, he really needs to make his presence felt in a game, especially leading the line. From the little I've seen of Carroll, he certainly does that so hopefully he can teach the Frenchman a thing or 2.
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Re: Why Carroll and Suarez will be a success
« Reply #49 on: February 26, 2011, 10:02:52 pm »
Am not sure that 2 wingers are actually required in football.

I say 2 wingers as in the old style when they did little to contribute to the team other than wait on the half way line for a ball. Now and for many a year it is more that you need 1 very decent genuine winger but another wide man on the opposite flank that fulfils a different role from the other winger. Example could well be a Ashley Young/Arda Turan type winger on the left but Dirk Kuyt on the right

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Re: Why Carroll and Suarez will be a success
« Reply #50 on: February 26, 2011, 11:52:07 pm »
Great read that.. Really enjoyed that
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Re: Why Carroll and Suarez will be a success
« Reply #51 on: February 27, 2011, 12:21:12 pm »
Good read, thanks Mr D.

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Re: Why Carroll and Suarez will be a success
« Reply #52 on: February 27, 2011, 01:13:03 pm »
Carrol's future fitness is a big worry, but if he keeps his nose clean and stays fit, he should be a massive success.
exciting times ahead.

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Re: Why Carroll and Suarez will be a success
« Reply #53 on: March 21, 2011, 08:02:38 am »
Opinions on Sunderland? Couldn't watch the game.  :'(
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Re: Why Carroll and Suarez will be a success
« Reply #54 on: March 22, 2011, 01:22:27 pm »
Opinions on Sunderland? Couldn't watch the game.  :'(

I think we saw some signs of what is to come, for sure. The difference, in our style of play, between Thursday night, and Sunday afternoon, was plain to see. And that difference was simply, Suarez.

Carroll was the focal point, and as pointed out in the OP, he will be the focal point and the constant. He is a big, strong, number 9, who will lead our attack. He may have a partner up there, or he may have 2 or three playing off him, but his role will be the same. Will the ball, hold up the play, bring others into the game, and of course the obvious, score goals.

So how did they do?

Well firstly, the played in a 4-4-2. In a simplistic view though, we had 7 defensive minded players, and 4 attacking. The 4 attacking being Meireles, Kuyt, Suarez & Carroll. Meireles predominantly operated from the left, not his best position, but Johnson provided the width from that side for us. Or that was the idea, anyway. Kuyt played from the right in the main, but would roam, occasionaly joining Suarez and Carroll as a 3, or switching with Suarez, who would roam. Suarez was free to go where he wanted, and would drop deep to pick up the ball, and try to make things happen. His goal of course was a piece of individual brilliance.

As individuals, Suarez had the better performance. His goal, and his all around general play, was very good. He did at times get caught in possesion, when he could have laid it off, but I wouldn't blame him for trying. We have seen what he can do in only the handful of games he has had, and make things happen, he does.

Carroll had played 90 minutes just a few days before. And it was a tough battle for him, with Braga defending so deep, and him trying to win headers, as balls were pumped up to him. While this is a role he can play, this isn't how to get the best out of him. Against Sunderland, you can see the effort he was putting in, and there was some nice interplay between him and Suarez at times, but unfortunately nothing quiet clicked. He also had only one real chance, a free header, which he would have been dissapointed not to score. But the way Kevin Phillips banged on about it, like it was miss of the season, was a bit harsh. As the game wore on, he did tire, and was taken off.

As a partnership, as I touched on, the two did show a few moments. There was one incident (where Suarez was fouled, can't remember if it was the sending off or not?) where Carroll won the ball and flicked it on (with his leg mind) for Suarez to use his pace to break free. In the first half, they were trying to interchange, play off each other, and work the ball into areas where they could threaten. A few times the ball was played too late, or the wrong ball played, but I am sure this sort of thing will come in time.

One thing that I can't comment on (and something you notice a bit better when your at the match) was their movement. Having seen both play, they know how to run into space, and cause problems for defences. Now with both of them doing that, defenders are like "Who do we track?", and coupled with that, "How will the ball be played?" Suarez small, and quick. Carroll big and strong. The ball could be over the top, into feet, to run onto, or in the air. Defenders will find playing against them both, an absolute nightmare. On the TV, it seemed we saw some of this, but I can't wait to see them in the flesh tearing defences apart.

Overall, it showed great signs, without being perfect (yet). I'd say Carroll looked "rusty" and understandably so, with his lack of games in recent months. Had Carroll got a goal, the media would have been talking them up as the next best thing. But because he didn't, Carroll's performance was kind of brushed up under the carpet, and Suarez took the headlines. This isn't such a bad thing, we don't need big pressure on them (as a partnership) right now, as they are both young, with big price tags. They have another 8 games of the season to learn each others game, work in training, and get ready for next season when we will truly see them blossom.

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On a side note, the OP is an excellent introduction into both players. But I would just like to add Carroll's performance against us at St James' back in December. Anyone who was there (or saw it on the TV) will know what a good performance he put in. He won a header to set up the first, constantly caused problems for our back 4, and just to wrap it up? Stuck one in from 30 yards out with his left peg. After that game I remember thinking "this guy is the real deal, not a flash in the pan". Now,  I can't wait to see more of his game in the future, now he is with us.

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Re: Why Carroll and Suarez will be a success
« Reply #55 on: March 23, 2011, 07:57:24 am »
Thanks for that.  :wave
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Re: Why Carroll and Suarez will be a success
« Reply #56 on: June 28, 2011, 04:46:45 pm »
Very good read - is anyone worried about Carroll's off the field stuff during the summer or just putting it down to relaxiong before a long season starts ?

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Re: Why Carroll and Suarez will be a success
« Reply #57 on: June 28, 2011, 05:59:51 pm »
I'm sure there are many players enjoying themsleves just as much, if not more, but are more shrewd about it. Not worried at all. He'll regret it come pre-season. ;D

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Re: Why Carroll and Suarez will be a success
« Reply #58 on: June 28, 2011, 06:00:37 pm »
Very good read - is anyone worried about Carroll's off the field stuff during the summer or just putting it down to relaxiong before a long season starts ?

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Re: Why Carroll and Suarez will be a success
« Reply #59 on: June 28, 2011, 06:02:27 pm »
Very good read - is anyone worried about Carroll's off the field stuff during the summer or just putting it down to relaxiong before a long season starts ?

What off the field stuff would that be during the summer?

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Re: Why Carroll and Suarez will be a success
« Reply #60 on: June 28, 2011, 06:49:17 pm »
What off the field stuff would that be during the summer?

Well we already know he had a few problems out on the town when he was at Newcastle and over the summer every picture is off him with a beer or in a pub etc - myself im not particulary worried about it - just a few mates have just posed a question .

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Re: Why Carroll and Suarez will be a success
« Reply #61 on: June 28, 2011, 06:50:37 pm »
Well we already know he had a few problems out on the town when he was at Newcastle and over the summer every picture is off him with a beer or in a pub etc - myself im not particulary worried about it - just a few mates have just posed a question .

It's summer. He can do what he wants, as long as he works when he gets back i'm not too fussed.

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Re: Why Carroll and Suarez will be a success
« Reply #62 on: June 28, 2011, 06:52:10 pm »
It's summer. He can do what he wants, as long as he works when he gets back i'm not too fussed.

Which is exactly my thinking

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Re: Why Carroll and Suarez will be a success
« Reply #63 on: July 4, 2011, 10:20:30 am »
suarez brings in what you were missing when torres was injured and eventually left, i wish chelsea bought him a few years back, always knew he would fit in teh premier league. carrol, id say hes worth 25 max, 10 mil too much, couldve bought a decent defender with that money, but i might eat my words, carroll has shown his raw talent against city, with a few months of top level training with pool, i expect him to bang 22-25 in this season in total. a decent expenditure of money. i expect a few defenders as well, rodwell? your future looks bright

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Re: Why Carroll and Suarez will be a success
« Reply #64 on: July 17, 2011, 03:03:30 pm »
Let's face it no player is an angel off the field.

As long as they are impeccably behaved on the field then we will be ok.

Kenny is such a role model in terms of being a gentleman etc that Carroll will mend his ways quick.