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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #200 on: March 24, 2019, 06:00:48 PM »
Plastic pisses me off more than people not knowing how to kill and butcher the animals they stick on their table.


Also eating meat isn't cultural,not eating meat is cultural,we are living in purpose built homes and communicating on electronic gadgets because we ate meat early in our evolution.If it was cultural then Chimps wouldn't eat it.
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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #201 on: March 24, 2019, 06:01:48 PM »
Unfortunately people don't care... I mean they should care, if only for their own health... no need to go vegan, just eat more vegetables, less "meat" that's a no brainer, I'm sure any doctor would agree.

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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #202 on: March 24, 2019, 06:01:57 PM »
Well at least you can admit that you cooked cow rather than beef.

Semantics

The terms "beef" and "Pork" in regards to food has to do with the Normal Conquest - prior to that inhabitants of England/the UK called it all "cow" and "pig"  and so on... but as they were the new ruling class (the Normans) they would use French and the lower classes in turn adopted their terms and words for the same objects, which in the case means the food that they requested be cooked for them...

Porc = Pig which over time became Pork.

What he cooked was a Bovine - in the original Latin - which provided the root for the French "Beouf" which became "Beef" in post 1066 England.

http://www.cactusworldwide.com/blog/2012/11/15/the-influence-of-french-on-the-english-language/

Also, Kaz, if you eat avocados, which I would assume that you do, are you admitting that you are eating Spanish Lawyers?

because that is where the term originates in the language which you know the fatty fruit.  Avocado is phonetically close to Advocate which is the Spanish and French of lawyer/Barrister. Are you a cannibal then!?

At least admit that the guac you make is from the mashed up lawyers you split in half.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/avocado

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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #203 on: March 24, 2019, 06:03:14 PM »
Plastic pisses me off more than people not knowing how to kill and butcher the animals they stick on their table.
Plastic should piss everybody off everybody off, I agree.

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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #204 on: March 24, 2019, 06:04:48 PM »
Plastic should piss everybody off everybody off, I agree.


Also eating meat isn't cultural,not eating meat is cultural,we are living in purpose built homes and communicating on electronic gadgets because we ate meat early in our evolution.If it was cultural then Chimps wouldn't eat it.
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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #205 on: March 24, 2019, 06:05:21 PM »
ďMeatĒ  ;D

Plus youíre not being attacked.

You set up a thread to ask for reasons not to be vegan with the SOLE intention of then dismissing every single reason given. No matter what actual facts and evidence (not made up numbers) were given.

If people then call you out for then donít call it being attacked.

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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #206 on: March 24, 2019, 06:05:57 PM »
Semantics

The terms "beef" and "Pork" in regards to food has to do with the Normal Conquest - prior to that inhabitants of England/the UK called it all "cow" and "pig"  and so on... but as they were the new ruling class (the Normans) they would use French and the lower classes in turn adopted their terms and words for the same objects, which in the case means the food that they requested be cooked for them...

Porc = Pig which over time became Pork.

What he cooked was a Bovine - in the original Latin - which provided the root for the French "Beouf" which became "Beef" in post 1066 England.

http://www.cactusworldwide.com/blog/2012/11/15/the-influence-of-french-on-the-english-language/

Also, Kaz, if you eat avocados, which I would assume that you do, are you admitting that you are eating Spanish Lawyers?

because that is where the term originates in the language which you know the fatty fruit.  Avocado is phonetically close to Advocate which is the Spanish and French of lawyer/Barrister. Are you a cannibal then!?

At least admit that the guac you make is from the mashed up lawyers you split in half.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/avocado


I don't need to read what you just wrote, all you're doing is trying to justify it your actions... you just want to justify the fact that you eat animals, which if you do that's ok .... just please face the fact that you're buying a piece of a pig, next time you buy some pork.

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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #207 on: March 24, 2019, 06:08:04 PM »
I don't need to read what you just wrote, all you're doing is trying to justify it your actions... you just want to justify the fact that you eat animals, which if you do that's ok .... just please face the fact that you're buying a piece of a pig, next time you buy some pork.

Donít be an ignorant idiot and have the decency to read his incredibly well informed posts.

Or if itís not a PETA propgranda piece will you not read it?

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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #208 on: March 24, 2019, 06:09:36 PM »
ďMeatĒ  ;D

Plus youíre not being attacked.

You set up a thread to ask for reasons not to be vegan with the SOLE intention of then dismissing every single reason given. No matter what actual facts and evidence (not made up numbers) were given.

If people then call you out for then donít call it being attacked.
Just read the post above me, besides you know that I'm not going to change your mind on this matter... meat to me is a dead animal.

Maybe that's what happens when you don't eat animals for nearly a year.... I stop justifying why I am going to choose to eat one, but as I said it's cultural.... The funny thing is in Korea it's cultural to eat a dog.

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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #209 on: March 24, 2019, 06:10:23 PM »
I don't need to read what you just wrote, all you're doing is trying to justify it your actions... you just want to justify the fact that you eat animals, which if you do that's ok .... just please face the fact that you're buying a piece of a pig, next time you buy some pork.


I am pretty sure that Craig fully understands that.
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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #210 on: March 24, 2019, 06:11:02 PM »
Donít be an ignorant idiot and have the decency to read his incredibly well informed posts.

Or if itís not a PETA propgranda piece will you not read it?
I will read it but I'm not going to change my mind, that a piece of meat was a living animal a few months back... ohh but yeah I forgot I kill vegetables too

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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #211 on: March 24, 2019, 06:11:17 PM »
Eating red meat causes cancer.  Discuss
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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #212 on: March 24, 2019, 06:11:38 PM »
Just read the post above me, besides you know that I'm not going to change your mind on this matter... meat to me is a dead animal.

Maybe that's what happens when you don't eat animals for nearly a year.... I stop justifying why I am going to choose to eat one, but as I said it's cultural....


Not cultural.
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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #213 on: March 24, 2019, 06:11:41 PM »
Plastic pisses me off more than people not knowing how to kill and butcher the animals they stick on their table.


Also eating meat isn't cultural,not eating meat is cultural,we are living in purpose built homes and communicating on electronic gadgets because we ate meat early in our evolution.If it was cultural then Chimps wouldn't eat it.

Correct. Not eating meat is cultural or in many cases Fad-ural... yeah lets go with that word I just made up, Fadural.

Plastic can be something to be upset about for sure.

But not when your avatar is of an Auto-manufacturer who creates some powerful petrol guzzling machines which consume the carbon biased fossil fuels of which nearly all plastics are derived from as a bi-product as a way to limit waste by the petrol companies.

Yeah, your kids plastic dinosaur is made from the remains of a real dead dino/ or at least their food... i.e. dead plants or other dinos...







No not disposing of or recycling plastics appropriately is a great thing to get ones 100% cotton (wait cotton production creates more waste and was a corner stone of the Triangle Slave Trade for centuries.... which is why cities like Manchester, Leeds, and Liverpool all sided with the South during the American Civil War... damn wearing cotton is bad too.... like wearing leather...)  ::)
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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #214 on: March 24, 2019, 06:12:06 PM »
Eating red meat causes cancer.  Discuss

Drinking Water Causes Cancer. Discuss.
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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #215 on: March 24, 2019, 06:12:37 PM »
Drinking Water Causes Cancer. Discuss.
Show me the evidence ;D

There is none to support your claim
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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #216 on: March 24, 2019, 06:12:57 PM »
I don't need to read what you just wrote, all you're doing is trying to justify it your actions... you just want to justify the fact that you eat animals, which if you do that's ok .... just please face the fact that you're buying a piece of a pig, next time you buy some pork.

Actually you should read what I wrote.
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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #217 on: March 24, 2019, 06:13:02 PM »
I went out of my way, to find out for myself more about veganism and whether it's sustainable.... guess it's not but that does not change the fact that when you eat a piece of meat, you have just eaten a dead animal, that before that was a living and breathing animal.

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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #218 on: March 24, 2019, 06:14:37 PM »
Actually you should read what I wrote.
I will and it might change my mind.... but sadly what it won't change, is when you eat meat - you a eating and dead animal, that before that was a living and breathing and more.

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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #219 on: March 24, 2019, 06:14:37 PM »
Show me the evidence ;D

Everyone who has ever had cancer in the world has drank water or consumed H2O in some way shape or form.

I.E. Water causes Cancer.

pollute it with plastic maybe it will stop the cancer causing water from killing us all!

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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #220 on: March 24, 2019, 06:15:16 PM »
guess it's not but that does not change the fact that when you eat a piece of meat, you have just eaten a dead animal, that before that was a living and breathing animal.


Seems that is your only argument but it wears thin because you keep on repeating it and assuming others don't understand that huge fact.
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« Reply #221 on: March 24, 2019, 06:16:30 PM »
I don't know how many times I've had to typed, that if you eat a piece of meat - you are eating a dead animal, that was a living and breathing animal before that.

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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #222 on: March 24, 2019, 06:16:43 PM »
Everyone who has ever had cancer in the world has drank water or consumed H2O in some way shape or form.

I.E. Water causes Cancer.

pollute it with plastic maybe it will stop the cancer causing water from killing us all!

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Correlation is not causation!

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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #223 on: March 24, 2019, 06:16:59 PM »
I will and it might change my mind.... but sadly what it won't change, is when you eat meat - you a eating and dead animal, that before that was a living and breathing and more.

Like your plants.

They were breathing CO2 and now they are dead.

poor plants that were grown, cultivated, and domesticated by man for their use...  ;)
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« Reply #224 on: March 24, 2019, 06:17:31 PM »
I don't know how many times I've had to typed, that if you eat a piece of meat - you are eating a dead animal, that was a living and breathing animal before that.
And?

Plants were alive too.
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« Reply #225 on: March 24, 2019, 06:17:47 PM »
Correlation is not causation!

Anyway, there is no god evidence that red meat causes cancer.... on the same grounds

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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #226 on: March 24, 2019, 06:17:48 PM »
My son who is 9 years old understand that, that lets him at me but at least he knows where it comes from tho

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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #227 on: March 24, 2019, 06:18:32 PM »
A dead animal is a dead animal. And a piece of meat is a piece of meat.

EDIT: but I get where your coming from, meat is what it is.
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« Reply #228 on: March 24, 2019, 06:19:21 PM »
And?

Plants were alive too.

So should i feel guilty on my allotment ?
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« Reply #229 on: March 24, 2019, 06:20:19 PM »
I don't know how many times I've had to typed, that if you eat a piece of meat - you are eating a dead animal, that was a living and breathing animal before that.

Maybe once more, for luck
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« Reply #230 on: March 24, 2019, 06:20:34 PM »
A dead animal is a dead animal. And a piece of meat is a piece of meat.


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« Reply #231 on: March 24, 2019, 06:20:38 PM »
I don't know how many times I've had to typed, that if you eat a piece of meat - you are eating a dead animal, that was a living and breathing animal before that.

Zero times have you had to type it.

Many times have you felt the need to preach it to us.

Do you really think anyone here is stupid enough to not know meat comes from a living animal? Thatís not some new shocking fact to anyone.

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« Reply #232 on: March 24, 2019, 06:22:19 PM »
A dead animal is a dead animal. And a piece of meat is a piece of meat.

Except when a dead animal is a piece of meat.

And when it is not - i.e. when the dead dino became crude oil, which was refined and your BMW ate it and the bi-products of its transformation into petrol is your kids (and my kids) toy dinos - then a dead animal is pollution, reused energy, joy for the kids, and teaching moment for all - save me as I did the teaching here.
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« Reply #233 on: March 24, 2019, 06:22:25 PM »
Zero times have you had to type it.

Many times have you felt the need to preach it to us.

Do you really think anyone here is stupid enough to not know meat comes from a living animal? Thatís not some new shocking fact to anyone.

To be fair by the time you get to the meat part i hope they are not still living.
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« Reply #234 on: March 24, 2019, 06:23:00 PM »
So should i feel guilty on my allotment ?
Maybe?

I think the idea of sustainability is far more convincing than the idea that they were alive. 

I know some people only eat stuff thatís fallen off trees and bushes, but who could be arsed with that?
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« Reply #235 on: March 24, 2019, 06:23:36 PM »
I'm not preaching to anybody, and if you feel like I have been preaching to you... I'm sorry.. it's just that I get a bit carried away with things.... ;)

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« Reply #236 on: March 24, 2019, 06:25:04 PM »
Maybe?

I think the idea of sustainability is far more convincing than the idea that they were alive. 

I know some people only eat stuff thatís fallen off trees and bushes, but who could be arsed with that?

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« Reply #237 on: March 24, 2019, 06:26:37 PM »
I'm not preaching to anybody, and if you feel like I have been preaching to you... I'm sorry.. it's just that I get a bit carried away with things.... ;)

I dont feel like you have been preachy - not fully open minded to the discussion at times - but not preachy.

I entered the thread to make a few points regarding the initial query - I have and then I have refuted many other points and claims - none of it was to be preachy just to make evidenced supported points about why there are arguments against eating meat.

A dead animal is a dead animal. And a piece of meat is a piece of meat.

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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #238 on: March 24, 2019, 06:27:40 PM »
If choose to eat meat that ok

Just no what you're putting in mouth.

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Re: Arguments against being vegan
« Reply #239 on: March 24, 2019, 06:28:28 PM »
If choose to eat meat that ok

Just no what you're putting in mouth.

A dead animal?

or sometimes a living one...
A dead animal is a dead animal. And a piece of meat is a piece of meat.