Topic: Carragher

[Pistolero]

interesting to compare the comments in here to those in the Kuyt thread?...both excellent servants to the club...both given 100% commitment to the red shirt...but one gets universally praised while the other (despite playing 3 times the amount of games) gets pulled apart....always said it was harder for the local lads to impress the fan base.....this thread testifies to that.....shame he wasnt born in Stockholm/Antwerp...might have got a better rep

[arcticus]

interesting to compare the comments in here to those in the Kuyt thread?...both excellent servants to the club...both given 100% commitment to the red shirt...but one gets universally praised while the other (despite playing 3 times the amount of games) gets pulled apart....always said it was harder for the local lads to impress the fan base.....this thread testifies to that.....shame he wasnt born in Stockholm/Antwerp...might have got a better rep

Carra is holding Coates back which is why a lot of people aren't exactly fond of him, plus he keeps hoofing it.

[Pistolero]

unfortunately these are currently carrying more weight that the 600 games beforehand.

dont be silly now.

[Licky]

Hope he stays, still has a lot to offer.

[SMD]

interesting to compare the comments in here to those in the Kuyt thread?...both excellent servants to the club...both given 100% commitment to the red shirt...but one gets universally praised while the other (despite playing 3 times the amount of games) gets pulled apart....always said it was harder for the local lads to impress the fan base.....this thread testifies to that.....shame he wasnt born in Stockholm/Antwerp...might have got a better rep

Why make this a pro- or anti-player thread? You'll get the thread locked once it descends into another argument about Carragher and/or Kuyt and it makes it even less likely that a proper discussion can take place.
Whether or not you feel aggrieved at the perception of Jamie Carragher, there's no reason to seek to polarise opinions which is what your comments would do. Sparking a debate about reputation would drag up a lot of half-truths and whispers that no one can really confirm one way or another.

[kcbworth]

dont be silly now.

Maybe instead of "carrying more weight" I should have said "fresher in people's consciousnesses".

[T-1000]

Why make this a pro- or anti-player thread? You'll get the thread locked once it descends into another argument about Carragher and/or Kuyt and it makes it even less likely that a proper discussion can take place.
Whether or not you feel aggrieved at the perception of Jamie Carragher, there's no reason to seek to polarise opinions which is what your comments would do. Sparking a debate about reputation would drag up a lot of half-truths and whispers that no one can really confirm one way or another.

True, it's not black or white with Carragher. He has had some immense performances over the years but he isn't really offering much to the team now nor will he over the next year.

[Coolie High]

interesting to compare the comments in here to those in the Kuyt thread?...both excellent servants to the club...both given 100% commitment to the red shirt...but one gets universally praised while the other (despite playing 3 times the amount of games) gets pulled apart....always said it was harder for the local lads to impress the fan base.....this thread testifies to that.....shame he wasnt born in Stockholm/Antwerp...might have got a better rep

Not even that mate compare it with the responses to the Aurelio thread, a number of people were suggesting that Aurelio should take on a coaching role and hardly anyone had an objection to it, but now its about Carra suddenly it becomes about getting experience somewhere else, clear double standards there which is a shame because one of them has been one of our greatest servants while the other has been on the periphery.

[Pistolero]

Why make this a pro- or anti-player thread? You'll get the thread locked once it descends into another argument about Carragher and/or Kuyt and it makes it even less likely that a proper discussion can take place.
Whether or not you feel aggrieved at the perception of Jamie Carragher, there's no reason to seek to polarise opinions which is what your comments would do. Sparking a debate about reputation would drag up a lot of half-truths and whispers that no one can really confirm one way or another.

Im making it an anti player thread?  ...have you been on the Jubillee sherry?.....just adding a bit of much needed balance to what was/is threatening to turn into an exercise in Carragher bashing - no more no less

[SMD]

Im making it an anti player thread?  ...have you been on the Jubillee sherry?.....just adding a bit of much needed balance to what was/is threatening to turn into an exercise in Carragher bashing - no more no less

I said pro- or anti- And I get what you mean but if you bring up his past then it'll rub others up the wrong way who will then come in and dredge up old wounds. There's no real point comparing him to any other player right now because his situation is unique in the first team squad. He's the only one who looks to be on the cusp of retirement while still commanding senior player wages and respect; he's not going to Fenerbahce for 1m euros, that's for sure.

[Gnurglan]

He's got three CBs that should be picked ahead of him. Which pretty much means we should replace him. Sell him and trust Wilson or Kelly or some other young CB for the 4th pick role. That's what we do with all the other players who are 30+ who no longer are first picks. But we won't, because we gave him a stupid contract that nobody else will match. And I fully expect him to find his way to a coaching role soon.

[Keith Lard]

He's 4th choice now and providing he is content with that role and doesn't cause any discontent by only being 4th choice, then he's still a great player to have in the squad as an experienced understudy. JC always comes across as a good man, a good player with a love for the club

[wz4jc3]

Fourth choice CB for me.

[Z e u s]

Fourth choice CB for me.

100k a week is a lot of money for 4th choice CB.

[Solomon Grundy]

I think he should probably take up a coaching role, coz I dont think he should be anywhere near playing in the first team these days. The problem is Carra seems to think he can do a Paolo Maldini and play in the first team till hes 40.

[AisoD]

The sad thing is the day he retires the first thought in my head will be "Finally". And i won't be the only fan thinking that.

Sad that Carragher's let it get to that stage.

[Gnurglan]

100k a week is a lot of money for 4th choice CB.

Either we pay out his contract, at a cost of 5M, and get nothing for it. Or we let him be part of the squad. We have to keep him. It's typical for how we have wasted money over the past few years.

I just hope that we then, after this coming season, decide to part with him. I don't want him anywhere near the first team once his contract is up. If he has ambitions to coach/manage, he should try his luck elsewhere first. Learn the trade the hard way. No free pass. But after he's done that, we can naturally keep a door open for him. If he's good enough. Just no free pass.

[IndianKopite]

I doubt he would throw away his high wages to take up a coaching role.However, if he does that he will regain some of my respect which he lost when I found how he signed his current contract.
Regarding his squad status, I think he should be fourth choice pick behind Agger,Skrtel and Coates.But ahead of Wisdom or Kelly at cb.

[helmboy_nige]

He still has a role to play, but I'd argue more as a mentor to younger lads and 4th choice centre back. I fully expect him to be part of our coaching setup in 12 months

[Aristotle]

At West Ham, back in 5-10 years if he's got the nouse for it. Thanks for the memories, let someone else have your wages

[shelovesyou]

Not even that mate compare it with the responses to the Aurelio thread, a number of people were suggesting that Aurelio should take on a coaching role and hardly anyone had an objection to it, but now its about Carra suddenly it becomes about getting experience somewhere else, clear double standards there which is a shame because one of them has been one of our greatest servants while the other has been on the periphery.

I never got that regarding Aurelio, apparently the best left back in the league when he was fit, mental.
As for Carragher, I reckon he'd be suited learning the coaching ropes with the younger sides at the club, could be a huge inspiration for some of them lads, how to look after yourself,  how to behave etc etc.

[trembles97]

Would people want him back as manager?

[Alf]

4th choice centre back.

[Fuson]

I doubt he would throw away his high wages to take up a coaching role.However, if he does that he will regain some of my respect which he lost when I found how he signed his current contract

Yeah. Shame on him.

You guys are being silly.

The owners can more than afford to take care of one of our own, someone who has given his all to this club.

[Solomon Grundy]

Would people want him back as manager?

Depends how he did somewhere else first.

[Cadno]

interesting to compare the comments in here to those in the Kuyt thread?...both excellent servants to the club...both given 100% commitment to the red shirt...but one gets universally praised while the other (despite playing 3 times the amount of games) gets pulled apart....always said it was harder for the local lads to impress the fan base.....this thread testifies to that.....shame he wasnt born in Stockholm/Antwerp...might have got a better rep

One of them has bowed out with dignity oce he realised he wasn't  good enough for us anymore.   The other one got his mate to give him a bumper new contract.

[arcticus]

Will Carra be the same as Roy? As a Manager that is

Very Direct in the approach play?

[Grushko]

Carragher was finished 3 years ago. Its all well and good saying keep him on and give him a coaching role, or his experience can help the development of the younger players. But the fact remains that he is on ridiculous wages to do either of them things. And factor in that he still thinks he is good enough to be a regular starter then there is no way on earth that he will retire gracefully. In fact I do not believe that Carra knows the meaning of the word.

[Solomon Grundy]

Yeah. Shame on him.

You guys are being silly.

The owners can more than afford to take care of one of our own, someone who has given his all to this club.

There should be no room for sentimentality at the club. As harsh as it may sound, if he isn't good enough, he shouldn't play anymore. No matter what hes done for the club in the past.

[Aristotle]

Yeah. Shame on him.

You guys are being silly.

The owners can more than afford to take care of one of our own, someone who has given his all to this club.

Shouldn't they then retire Carragher's wages and distribute them to the descendants of Shankly, Paisley, Fagan, Liddell, Callahan et al since LFC has become a charitable retirement home?

[Red Reign]

I never got that regarding Aurelio, apparently the best left back in the league when he was fit, mental.
As for Carragher, I reckon he'd be suited learning the coaching ropes with the younger sides at the club, could be a huge inspiration for some of them lads, how to look after yourself,  how to behave etc etc.

I've only been following the club a few years now but I've not heard anything from him that would make me think he is fit to influence a younger generation. Thank and applaud him for the effort while wearing red but he is unfit as a Liverpool coach.

[Solomon Grundy]

Shouldn't they then retire Carragher's wages and distribute them to the descendants of Shankly, Paisley, Fagan, Liddell, Callahan et al since LFC has become a charitable retirement home?

Could give his money to someone who could really do with it. Someone like Ray Kennedy perhaps?

[shelovesyou]

One of them has bowed out with dignity oce he realised he wasn't  good enough for us anymore.   The other one got his mate to give him a bumper new contract.

What gets me about all that is that all those who criticise him for it actually believe the worst possible version of the actual events, contracts are something that are discussed for weeks and weeks before they are signed.
Plus the morale high ground evryone takes over it , its not as if all who have a go at him for it would have turned the contract down is it.

[Gnurglan]

interesting to compare the comments in here to those in the Kuyt thread?...both excellent servants to the club...both given 100% commitment to the red shirt...but one gets universally praised while the other (despite playing 3 times the amount of games) gets pulled apart....always said it was harder for the local lads to impress the fan base.....this thread testifies to that.....shame he wasnt born in Stockholm/Antwerp...might have got a better rep

I have a lot of respect for Carra's career. The difference between Kuyt and Carra, at this point in time, is that Kuyt has (had, as he's off) a real claim to be first pick or at least be first backup. Carra has lost his role as first pick. We have signed a young, promising Coates, who has done well. We have to give games to Coates. Which makes Carra 4th pick. At his age, that really means he's at the last stop.

As for the coaching, I don't think we can hand out coaching roles for free. At least not at first team level. I actually find that a bit disrespectful to the coaches we have employed at the moment. By all means, help Carra get started, keep a door open for him. No problem. But let him earn it with a bit of hard work. We need to stop handing out free passes and generous contracts. That is not the way.

[steveeastend]

He should act in the best interest of the club. There are a lot of examples of club legends all around europe who showed how to step back with dignity and class.

As a start the statements of Nesta, Cattuso a couple of weeks ago.. That´s what I would expect from a legend which would make him the all time hero he truly deserved to be when looking at his effort on the pitch only...

[Pistolero]

One of them has bowed out with dignity oce he realised he wasn't  good enough for us anymore.   The other one got his mate to give him a bumper new contract.

take Mark Twain's advice...

[spider-neil]

I think a real bone of contention for some people is he signed a 3 year contract when the manager had been sacked and the new manager hadn't been hired and the club was on it's knees. Given his age, that smacks of opportunism. But to be fair to Carra the club drew up the papers, he wasn't negotiating with himself.

[Zeb]

It'll be his last contract for us. Have a season to thank a player who gave his career to the club.

[Z e u s]

I think a real bone of contention for some people is he signed a 3 year contract when the manager had been sacked and the new manager hadn't been highered and the club was on it's knees. Given his age, that smacks of opportunism. But to be fair to Carra the club drew up the papers, he wasn't negotiating with himself.

and anyone would have done the same if in his position.

Just like getting a pay rise at work.

[Pistolero]

He's 4th choice now and providing he is content with that role and doesn't cause any discontent by only being 4th choice, then he's still a great player to have in the squad as an experienced understudy. JC always comes across as a good man, a good player with a love for the club

Amen.