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Carragher
« on: June 3, 2012, 01:56:38 pm »
Simple question - What should his role be at the club from next season?

- Still a first team player, third choice behind Agger / Skrtel?

- Very much fourth choice, with Coates third choice?

- Fifth or sixth choice - with Wisdom, Kelly and Wilson back up to Skrtel, Agger and Coates?

- Coaching role?

- Other?

One of Rodgers toughest tasks this summer is to decide what to do with Carraagher.

Lets have respectful replies please to one of our best players and certainly most committed players the last decade.

For me personally I think Carragher should be given a coaching role.  As I'd rather see a player like Wisdom or Wilson given time in the Europa league or games which don't involve Skrtel or Agger - players who can develop and potentially have a big future with us, rather than Carragher who is clearly past his best.

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Re: Carragher
« Reply #1 on: June 3, 2012, 02:00:04 pm »
For me he should be our forth choice centre back, and should play along side Coates in the 'lesser games' in order to pass on some of his advice to Coates. Jamie has done many great things for this club, and helping develop a player who could do big things for us could be another part of his legacy.

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Re: Carragher
« Reply #2 on: June 3, 2012, 02:03:12 pm »
Love to see him slowly eased into a coaching role this season. I hope he's ready for that though... Think he can really help develop the likes of Coates and Wisdom.

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Re: Carragher
« Reply #3 on: June 3, 2012, 02:04:02 pm »
No, great servant to the club an all that, but his playing days are behind him, his attributes will not fit into a Brendan Rodgers system (I'm sure), and I'm not sure what he would bring to a coaches role at the club, he is the most anti football player I have seen, not interested in putting his foot on the ball and getting his head up, just likes to put his foot through it.

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Re: Carragher
« Reply #4 on: June 3, 2012, 02:04:15 pm »
Cutting up the oranges for half time.
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Re: Carragher
« Reply #5 on: June 3, 2012, 02:04:31 pm »
4th choice centreback.

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Re: Carragher
« Reply #6 on: June 3, 2012, 02:05:05 pm »
Should be no where near the team, quite sad to see him like it but he should retire. Especially with Wisdom being an option.

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Re: Carragher
« Reply #7 on: June 3, 2012, 02:05:19 pm »
Fourth Choice. Maybe he could learn quite a bit from Rodgers with a view to go into coaching.

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Re: Carragher
« Reply #8 on: June 3, 2012, 02:05:36 pm »
I don't think this is really a question any more - very few times last season anyone could put their hand on their heart and say they felt comfortable with Carragher on the pitch. He should be given the option to either join the youth setup and learn the ropes or if he wants to continue playing in any capacity he should look for another club.
My personal preference is to move Kelly to centre back and promote Flanagan to be Johnson's understudy. Either way, it's difficult to justify such a huge drain on the wage bill for someone who is unlikely to even make the bench.

Either way, Rodgers should be backed completely in whatever decision he decides to make.
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Re: Carragher
« Reply #9 on: June 3, 2012, 02:06:20 pm »
Ideally, never on the pitch again.
Preferably, fourth or fifth choice.
Probably, first or second choice.

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Re: Carragher
« Reply #10 on: June 3, 2012, 02:07:01 pm »
Should be no where near the team, quite sad to see him like it but he should retire. Especially with Wisdom being an option.

I don't think Wisdom is ready to make the step up yet, and he is certainly not better than Carragher i would try get him on loan to a League 1/Championship side.

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Re: Carragher
« Reply #11 on: June 3, 2012, 02:07:20 pm »
Wisdom for me needs to start getting in the 1st picture and if that means playing instead of Carra then so be it.

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Re: Carragher
« Reply #12 on: June 3, 2012, 02:08:57 pm »
I don't think this is really a question any more

It is a question because last season Carragher was getting picked over Coates.  He is still getting, presumably, high wages at the club and we have a new manager who might play him, might not.

Rodgers might feel he needs to make a statement by not playing someone like Carragher and using him in his first team plans next season - a new era and stamping his authority.  Then again he might feel Carragher's experience is vital to his new team.

I wouldn't be surprised if Carragher was used regularly next season.  Then again I wouldn't be surprised if he was fourth choice or became a coach. 

It is very much a debatable issue.
« Last Edit: June 3, 2012, 02:15:51 pm by Z e u s »

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Re: Carragher
« Reply #13 on: June 3, 2012, 02:09:40 pm »
5th choice.

Agger/Skrtel/Coates
Coates/Kelly
Carragher/Coates/Kelly

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Re: Carragher
« Reply #14 on: June 3, 2012, 02:09:58 pm »
If he's a starter next season or even third choice there is something seriously wrong. Coates should definitely be ahead of him now.

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Re: Carragher
« Reply #15 on: June 3, 2012, 02:10:10 pm »
He should be talked about respectfully but i don't think i'd want him on the pitch for us. Hopefully a coaching role.

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Re: Carragher
« Reply #16 on: June 3, 2012, 02:11:47 pm »
Fourth choice in league games.
Captain in Europa and carling cup games.
Integrated into coaching role if Rodgers is happy with that.
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Re: Carragher
« Reply #17 on: June 3, 2012, 02:12:22 pm »
4th choice and hopefully getting his coaching badges now.

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Re: Carragher
« Reply #18 on: June 3, 2012, 02:12:32 pm »
Fourth Choice. Maybe he could learn quite a bit from Rodgers with a view to go into coaching.

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Re: Carragher
« Reply #19 on: June 3, 2012, 02:12:32 pm »
4th choice at best.

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Re: Carragher
« Reply #20 on: June 3, 2012, 02:14:42 pm »
Carra will have a role to play, but it's going to move more towards the coaching side.

His experience will be important in the first couple of Europa games, particularly as we're going to be lacking a lot of the international players at that stage. There's no reason that he shouldn't be captaining those games.

Similarly, there's no reason for him not to be an integral part of the first team squad, even if his appearances are going to be more limited.

Yes, there is a need to bring on Coates and possibly Wisdom. But it would be daft in the extreme for anyone to make a decision that Carra is surplus to requirements just yet.
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Re: Carragher
« Reply #21 on: June 3, 2012, 02:15:14 pm »
Personally I dont see what Carra would be able to offer in a coaching role

Carra was a 'stopper'! nothing more than that really

as much as I admire him for his passion and commitment to the cause, what could he really teach anyone?


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Re: Carragher
« Reply #22 on: June 3, 2012, 02:15:20 pm »
4th-5th choice, and if he doesn't like it, he can retire. Would much rather see him do a bit of coaching away from Liverpool as well if I'm honest, if he harbors ambitions of one day managing LFC he needs to get away from the club, even if only for a few years.
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Re: Carragher
« Reply #23 on: June 3, 2012, 02:16:06 pm »
Shouldn't be played unless it is totally necessary. We would be better off giving Wisdom and Wilson games.
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Re: Carragher
« Reply #24 on: June 3, 2012, 02:17:06 pm »
I think he should be fourth choice, with a view to integrating him into the coaching staff. Having said that, if Carra is serious about coaching or management in the future, it may be beneficial for him to go abroad or to a smaller club, to see how they work and broaden his knowledge. If I recall correctly, Pep Guardiola went to Brescia in a similar guise? Not necessarily as a player. He's been a legend and great servant to the club, but it's difficult to argue that he is still a capable centre-back playing at the level that we need of him. He had good games last season, but those were unfortunately forgotten amongst some very visible and memorable mistakes. For a lad of my age-along with Gerrard and Rafa- Carra is one of the first legends I experienced first hand at the club, and he should go down as one of the Liverpool greats. My abiding memories of him all come from a single season, a single competition. Who will forget his epic performance at home to Chelsea, launching himself in front of shots. Or the way he recovered from cramp in Istanbul to keep fighting on. It's tempting to give in to the dissent and grumbling with Carra, given that he may have outlived one facet of his usefulness. But we should keep him around. It's good for the young CBs, and it'll help him (working under a young but experienced Rodgers) to see what necessary if he's to follow that path. I just hope, that when the time comes, he realises that he's not quite at the level Liverpool require of him, or he expects from himself.
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Re: Carragher
« Reply #25 on: June 3, 2012, 02:17:24 pm »
He's done, we shouldnt see him in the pitch again. Boss lad though, just past it now.
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Re: Carragher
« Reply #26 on: June 3, 2012, 02:18:48 pm »
try and move him on and spend his wages on other players more valuable to the team
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Re: Carragher
« Reply #27 on: June 3, 2012, 02:19:11 pm »
This isnt something that any sentiment can be used to justify a place in the starting line. Kenny seemed to play him far to much towards the end of the season.

4th choice/possible coaching role but as said, sentiment can't play a role in any decision. He spent the last 5 years hacking and hoofing at the ball.

Not sure that is something that should be coached.
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Re: Carragher
« Reply #28 on: June 3, 2012, 02:19:18 pm »
Should be moved on.  Don't want him anywhere near the management or coaching staff.  He'd be no better than Souness.
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Re: Carragher
« Reply #29 on: June 3, 2012, 02:20:23 pm »
It is a question because last season Carragher was getting picked over Coates.  He is still getting, presumably, high wages at the club and we have a new manager who might play him, might not.

Rodgers might feel he needs to make a statement by not playing someone like Carragher and using him in his first team plans next season - a new era and stamping his authority.  Then again he might feel Carragher's experience is vital to his new team.

I wouldn't be surprised if Carragher was used regularly next season.  Then again I wouldn't be surprised if he was fourth choice or became a coach. 

It is very much a debatable issue.

I meant it in a footballing sense. As you say, there's plenty of political capital involved in a decision like this either way. However, if there is to be a clean, fresh start from scratch at the club then when better to move someone like Carragher out or into coaching?
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Re: Carragher
« Reply #30 on: June 3, 2012, 02:21:41 pm »
Nowhere near the 1st team.Coates would fit perfectly into BR's way of playing so he needs to be 3rd choice.Knowing aggers injury record,coates will get plenty of first team football.Make carra an understudy to whoever is in charge of the youth side.Just because you were a top class player doesn't mean you become a top class coach.Keep him at the club by all means but let him earn the right to coach at a higher level.
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Re: Carragher
« Reply #31 on: June 3, 2012, 02:21:55 pm »
Fourth choice centerback, once his contract expires he should be released from the club.
If he manages to find some success in management then he the club should reconsider hiring him again.

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Re: Carragher
« Reply #32 on: June 3, 2012, 02:23:11 pm »
coach and 4th choice,
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Re: Carragher
« Reply #33 on: June 3, 2012, 02:23:24 pm »
as much as I admire him for his passion and commitment to the cause, what could he really teach anyone?

How to defend, how to act as a professional, what LFC means and how a player should conduct himself.

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Re: Carragher
« Reply #34 on: June 3, 2012, 02:26:32 pm »
Simple question - What should his role be at the club from next season?

- Fifth or sixth choice - with Wisdom, Kelly and Wilson back up to Skrtel, Agger and Coates?

One of Rodgers toughest tasks this summer is to decide what to do with Carraagher.

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Re: Carragher
« Reply #35 on: June 3, 2012, 02:27:30 pm »
Out of interest does anyone have an idea what wages Carragher is on?

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Re: Carragher
« Reply #36 on: June 3, 2012, 02:29:10 pm »
He's on silly silly money - around £100k a week by all accounts.

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Re: Carragher
« Reply #37 on: June 3, 2012, 02:29:18 pm »
Why?

You make him sound immaculate when he really isn't.
I have nothing against him becoming a coach but he should cut his teeth elsewhere and if he is good enough then he can apply for a position in Liverpool.
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Re: Carragher
« Reply #38 on: June 3, 2012, 02:29:31 pm »
How to defend, how to act as a professional, what LFC means and how a player should conduct himself.

Sorry, but his style of defending is not something I want taught to our youngsters. Yes, his strengths should be coached into our youngsters, but those strengths are pretty obvious and in all likelihood easy or impossible to teach.

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Re: Carragher
« Reply #39 on: June 3, 2012, 02:29:40 pm »
Sometimes we are too sentimental about our players, what has Carragher shown that makes anyone think he should be given a coaching job at the club? its mostly guys wanting to keep him around the club because he has played so many games for us. If he is going to become a coach he needs to go elsewhere and earn his chance to comeback to the club through good work not though sentimentality, as for next season in an ideal world he would be moved on, but realistically he won't and will play quite a number of games.