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« Reply #63520 on: October 27, 2021, 10:54:48 am »
It's just another part of the Tory culture war approach to everything.  They want to be seen as libertarians and to hell with the consequences.

agree - although a fair amount of the back benchers have always been vocal libertarians. very dangerous people.
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« Reply #63521 on: October 27, 2021, 11:59:06 am »
Tested positive on 2/3 LF this morning after I developed a cold after returning from Gran Canaria. Blocked nose, slight sore throat and general lethargy. My girlfriend had just gone back into the office this week but had to return home and we both did a PCR before. Sums it up though that she instantly is sent home because I tested positive on a LF yet as a teacher if it was the other way round I'd still have to go in even if my girlfriend had a positive PCR
 Test. Incredible really.

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« Reply #63522 on: October 27, 2021, 12:37:19 pm »
£37 b for an app - seems legit.....

20% of the whole NHS budget.

That's quite frankly outrageous and negligent use of the public purse strings......there must be consequences for this.

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« Reply #63523 on: October 27, 2021, 12:53:08 pm »
That's quite frankly outrageous and negligent use of the public purse strings......there must be consequences for this.

Ironically Sunek now spouting as part of his budget speech “this party and only this party can be trusted with taxpayers money”.  Not to detract from the thread subject but government went beyond parody about 18 months ago.

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« Reply #63524 on: October 27, 2021, 01:31:18 pm »
Having condemned them earlier it's good to see many of the Tory frontbenchers - including Bozo (out of shot) - wearing masks:


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« Reply #63525 on: October 27, 2021, 01:37:13 pm »
Having condemned them earlier it's good to see many of the Tory frontbenchers - including Bozo (out of shot) - wearing masks:



Mogg is out of shot sat next to Bozo with no mask on.

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« Reply #63526 on: October 27, 2021, 04:09:15 pm »
agree - although a fair amount of the back benchers have always been vocal libertarians. very dangerous people.

Before they got on the Brexit bandwagon they were proud to be the party of laissez faire.

But since that sounds a bit too 'European' they gone for the more American 'libertarian'.

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« Reply #63527 on: October 27, 2021, 04:11:56 pm »
43,941 cases reported. 207 deaths in last 24 hours. Depressing.

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« Reply #63528 on: October 27, 2021, 04:16:48 pm »
43,941 cases reported. 207 deaths in last 24 hours. Depressing.

Although down from 49,000 last wednesday. No idea what's happening with deaths though, seems Boris et al don't give a toss

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« Reply #63529 on: October 27, 2021, 04:27:21 pm »
The deaths will be the backlog from the high cases surely? There's always a 2-3 week lag, so I would expect the number of deaths to increase, probably not to peak levels, but probably between 200-300 daily. Fingers crossed the cases start to level off now. Still feel it's going to be a very bumpy winter ahead.

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« Reply #63530 on: October 27, 2021, 04:31:06 pm »
Although down from 49,000 last wednesday. No idea what's happening with deaths though, seems Boris et al don't give a toss
Saw PM Questions today & there was literally one question about Covid. It was glossed over. Case rates always will continue in the ten's of thousands for how long?

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« Reply #63531 on: October 27, 2021, 04:58:45 pm »
Saw PM Questions today & there was literally one question about Covid. It was glossed over. Case rates always will continue in the ten's of thousands for how long?

Until we just stop testing.
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« Reply #63532 on: October 27, 2021, 05:16:41 pm »
Although down from 49,000 last wednesday. No idea what's happening with deaths though, seems Boris et al don't give a toss

Deaths are baked into case numbers with obviously a time-lag between both.  Despite Johnson’s announcement on occasions that the link between cases and deaths has been severed, at best it has been weakened with vaccinations.

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« Reply #63533 on: October 27, 2021, 05:23:16 pm »
Deaths are baked into case numbers with obviously a time-lag between both.  Despite Johnson’s announcement on occasions that the link between cases and deaths has been severed, at best it has been weakened with vaccinations.

Never understood this "link has been severed". Deaths are always linked to cases - no cases, no covid deaths. What can change is the proportion of cases that turn into deaths, which depends on the age groups most affected, treatment, NHS capacity, maybe virus strain. But they will always be linked. He was talking shite as always.
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« Reply #63534 on: October 27, 2021, 06:05:26 pm »
Mogg is out of shot sat next to Bozo with no mask on.
I know I probably shouldn't say this but if anyone deserves a nice serious case of CoVid it is that twat, though to be fair he is probably protected as I imagine he is still being breastfed
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« Reply #63535 on: October 27, 2021, 06:06:59 pm »
Until we just stop testing.
Why would we do that?

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« Reply #63536 on: October 27, 2021, 06:07:49 pm »
Why would we do that?
to get the case numbers down?
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« Reply #63537 on: October 27, 2021, 06:55:17 pm »
Why would we do that?

It's just like the flu
Learn to live with it
More tests than anyone else
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« Reply #63538 on: October 27, 2021, 06:57:52 pm »
Tested positive on 2/3 LF this morning after I developed a cold after returning from Gran Canaria. Blocked nose, slight sore throat and general lethargy. My girlfriend had just gone back into the office this week but had to return home and we both did a PCR before. Sums it up though that she instantly is sent home because I tested positive on a LF yet as a teacher if it was the other way round I'd still have to go in even if my girlfriend had a positive PCR
 Test. Incredible really.

we should find out the result tonight of the PCR.

So I'm positive on PCR and girlfriend negative.

Lost my taste and smell this afternoon so was expecting it.

Feel really tired now like my eyelids are drooping.
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« Reply #63539 on: October 27, 2021, 06:59:20 pm »
So I'm positive on PCR and girlfriend negative.

Lost my taste and smell this afternoon so was expecting it.

Feel really tired now like my eyelids are drooping.
Good luck mate.

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« Reply #63540 on: October 27, 2021, 08:27:55 pm »
Good luck mate.

I got the tiredness.  Don’t fight it, plenty of sleep will do you right

Im more concerned with the taste and smell. Hope it comes back soon!
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« Reply #63541 on: October 27, 2021, 10:13:00 pm »
It's just like the flu
Learn to live with it
More tests than anyone else
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And so on and so forth..

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« Reply #63542 on: October 27, 2021, 10:20:49 pm »
Im more concerned with the taste and smell. Hope it comes back soon!

i had it in January, ive still not got my taste and smell back, and I go from energised to lethatgic in the space of a minute.

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« Reply #63543 on: October 28, 2021, 12:39:38 am »
So I'm positive on PCR and girlfriend negative.

Lost my taste and smell this afternoon so was expecting it.

Feel really tired now like my eyelids are drooping.

Sorry to hear that. All the best for a full and speedy recovery.

I went down with it in the last week of August, and my taste and smell are nowhere near back to normal yet. I'd say only about 5% - 10% of what they were. I also still get fatigued quite quickly too. The annoying thing is that in the past week or so I have actually been able to taste or smell two things, and both are horrible. One being I could taste the anaesthetic at the dentists when I had some work done, and today I could smell the white spirit I was using to clean a paint brush.

Anyway, I agree with Tepid. Don't fight it. Just rest and ride it out. Take care of yourself.

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« Reply #63544 on: October 28, 2021, 08:55:41 am »
The 2 day return from holiday LFT's are a fucking joke. Paid £84 to Boots for 4 x non supervised tests. There is absolutely nothing to stop one person taking a free NHS lateral flow and then doing everyone elses tests if they are negative.

If they are doing that route, should have only sold them via the NHS and pumped the money back into that instead.

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« Reply #63545 on: October 28, 2021, 08:58:42 am »
Mogg is out of shot sat next to Bozo with no mask on.

Is he just a contrarian, then? The other day during pmqt, when they were pictured not wearing masks, he was one of the few wearing one.

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« Reply #63546 on: October 28, 2021, 12:05:00 pm »
Russia recording 1189 deaths in a day, going into another lockdown. Will Putin say it effect Gas supplies?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59076152

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« Reply #63547 on: October 28, 2021, 12:56:33 pm »
I read this information on a couple of sites, and to be honest it made little sense to me, I've never heard of endemic equilibrium.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-cases-could-fall-significantly-in-november-even-without-plan-b-modelling-suggests-12444117

Is it just another term for herd immunity?
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« Reply #63548 on: October 28, 2021, 01:57:22 pm »
Russia recording 1189 deaths in a day, going into another lockdown. Will Putin say it effect Gas supplies?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59076152

Threatening supplies it appears

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« Reply #63549 on: October 28, 2021, 01:57:58 pm »
I read this information on a couple of sites, and to be honest it made little sense to me, I've never heard of endemic equilibrium.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-cases-could-fall-significantly-in-november-even-without-plan-b-modelling-suggests-12444117

Is it just another term for herd immunity?

I know plenty of people that have had it twice, so Im not getting the gerd immniity principle yet.

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« Reply #63551 on: October 28, 2021, 02:07:50 pm »
I read this information on a couple of sites, and to be honest it made little sense to me, I've never heard of endemic equilibrium.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-cases-could-fall-significantly-in-november-even-without-plan-b-modelling-suggests-12444117

Is it just another term for herd immunity?
They are slightly different terms. Herd immunity is where through a combination of vaccination and infection, you go over the threshold needed so that r goes lower than 1 and the epidemic shrinks. Each infected person goes onto infect on average of less than one other. Herd immunity was possible with the original Wuhan strain and with vaccines that had high efficacy for preventing transmission.

Endemic equilibrium is more about the r number taking the susceptible population into account. It will reach equilibrium when the effective r becomes 1, which we seem very close to. Outbreaks are unable to assume exponential growth (at least not for long) as there aren’t enough susceptible people. Currently some small number of people move into the susceptible population due to vaccine waning and some come out of the susceptible population due to infection, vaccination with first dose or vaccination with booster. Eventually you reach the equilibrium of r=1 in the absence of any external factors. We will of course have some external factors, continuing vaccination, continued move to 2019 normal mixing, seasonal effects, etc. These might push things up or down to a different level of equilibrium.

What we’re seeing now is probably a mix of both - herd immunity in certain areas like schools, some work places, leading to an equilibrium of sorts - but one that hasn’t settled at r=1 just yet.

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« Reply #63553 on: October 28, 2021, 03:26:20 pm »
They are slightly different terms. Herd immunity is where through a combination of vaccination and infection, you go over the threshold needed so that r goes lower than 1 and the epidemic shrinks. Each infected person goes onto infect on average of less than one other. Herd immunity was possible with the original Wuhan strain and with vaccines that had high efficacy for preventing transmission.

Endemic equilibrium is more about the r number taking the susceptible population into account. It will reach equilibrium when the effective r becomes 1, which we seem very close to. Outbreaks are unable to assume exponential growth (at least not for long) as there aren’t enough susceptible people. Currently some small number of people move into the susceptible population due to vaccine waning and some come out of the susceptible population due to infection, vaccination with first dose or vaccination with booster. Eventually you reach the equilibrium of r=1 in the absence of any external factors. We will of course have some external factors, continuing vaccination, continued move to 2019 normal mixing, seasonal effects, etc. These might push things up or down to a different level of equilibrium.

What we’re seeing now is probably a mix of both - herd immunity in certain areas like schools, some work places, leading to an equilibrium of sorts - but one that hasn’t settled at r=1 just yet.

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« Reply #63554 on: October 28, 2021, 04:02:11 pm »
No more red list as of today (in terms of hotel quarantine) according to Sky.

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« Reply #63555 on: October 28, 2021, 04:34:19 pm »
Got a positive result on my day 2 LFT, flew back from Turkey on monday, stayed in manchester monday night, spent a lot of tuesday at a very packed  Trafford centre.

I was masked for the most part but defnitely not at all times.....on the plane or in restaurant or while walking around the Trafford centre, so who knows who i could've passed it onto.

Done my PCR today, so we'll see what that comes back as.

Felt really crap last night, general lethargy and my wrist and ankle joints have been hurting, today has been a little better but i've been dosed up with paracetemol and ibroprufen.

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« Reply #63556 on: October 28, 2021, 05:31:39 pm »
The 2 day return from holiday LFT's are a fucking joke. Paid £84 to Boots for 4 x non supervised tests. There is absolutely nothing to stop one person taking a free NHS lateral flow and then doing everyone elses tests if they are negative.

If they are doing that route, should have only sold them via the NHS and pumped the money back into that instead.

But think of the poor Tory donors! How would they have made any money that way?!?!
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« Reply #63557 on: October 28, 2021, 06:24:58 pm »
Im more concerned with the taste and smell. Hope it comes back soon!

The lack of taste and smell is what I found the most concerning, as I love my food.  It does come back though. I ended up adding all sorts of spices, some I wouldn't normally have used. That did help, once I got my tasting senses back.
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« Reply #63558 on: October 28, 2021, 06:26:20 pm »
Interesting piece on how even double vaccinated can still easily spread the virus to the unvaccinated.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59077036

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« Reply #63559 on: October 28, 2021, 06:36:53 pm »
The lack of taste and smell is what I found the most concerning, as I love my food.  It does come back though. I ended up adding all sorts of spices, some I wouldn't normally have used. That did help, once I got my tasting senses back.
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