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Re: Incident at Manchester Arena
« Reply #720 on: June 4, 2017, 10:06:43 pm »
Fucking hell. This woman is special.
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Re: Incident at Manchester Arena
« Reply #721 on: June 4, 2017, 10:06:59 pm »
 :scarf Good job, our kid. :scarf
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Re: Incident at Manchester Arena
« Reply #722 on: June 4, 2017, 10:08:13 pm »
What an incredible woman. This is beautiful and heartbreaking in equal measure, but I top my hat to her for having the fortitude to do what she has done. Also fair play to so many global superstars for agreeing to attend at such short notice. I hope they brought some happiness to those who were there that night and those who perished will not be forgotten.


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Re: Incident at Manchester Arena
« Reply #723 on: June 4, 2017, 10:08:18 pm »
Wow that was great, Ariana Grande is a special talent, she put on a great show and what a vocalist is she.

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Re: Incident at Manchester Arena
« Reply #724 on: June 4, 2017, 10:09:48 pm »
You'd have to have a heart of stone not to be moved by the positivity tonight



This should be the front page of all the papers tomorrow

The image of the night.

What an amazing concert by an amazing woman.
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Re: Incident at Manchester Arena
« Reply #725 on: June 4, 2017, 10:11:07 pm »
adopted national treasure status instantly assured.....hats off
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Re: Incident at Manchester Arena
« Reply #726 on: June 4, 2017, 10:11:13 pm »
Grande is obviously a star but she is now probably a superstar in the UK audience eyes.

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Re: Incident at Manchester Arena
« Reply #727 on: June 4, 2017, 10:13:23 pm »
Grande was incredible..

Truely emotional whenever she was onstage.  Two weeks ago she would never have imagined that she would have such a bond with the city and I'm sure that part of her heart will always be in Manchester..

She's nearly a kid herself...
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Re: Incident at Manchester Arena
« Reply #728 on: June 4, 2017, 10:14:04 pm »
Amazing stuff.

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Re: Incident at Manchester Arena
« Reply #729 on: June 4, 2017, 10:17:58 pm »
Different class, that young woman.
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Re: Incident at Manchester Arena
« Reply #730 on: June 4, 2017, 10:20:32 pm »
Grande was incredible..

Truely emotional whenever she was onstage.  Two weeks ago she would never have imagined that she would have such a bond with the city and I'm sure that part of her heart will always be in Manchester..

She's nearly a kid herself...

Can only echo the above and all the other comments. She was inspirational tonight. World Leaders, Isis, the whole world should take note of what they just witnessed.

This is what life is about, the coming together of people, for the love of music, for the love of being together with your family, your partners, your children, your friends.. Every night let those around us know, we care about them, we love them, and how much they mean to us.

For some families in the last few weeks have lost a great deal, and they don't have that chance to do this.

Never forget the most important things in life, allow those things that annoy you, and frustrate you, that make you angry disappear as quickly as they come.

Well done Grande.

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Re: Incident at Manchester Arena
« Reply #731 on: June 4, 2017, 10:29:31 pm »
Just an alround amazing show. Went through just about my whole emotional reportoir watching that.

Ariana Grande, what a person.

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Re: Incident at Manchester Arena
« Reply #732 on: June 4, 2017, 10:29:49 pm »
I sobbed several times during that. No hateful, violent, miserable scumbags will crush the spirit of ordinary, decent people. That was truly beautiful and Ariana Grande deserves national treasure status after pulling that off.

 Massive respect to everyone who turned out to contribute there. Going to bed happy tonight me.
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Re: Incident at Manchester Arena
« Reply #733 on: June 4, 2017, 10:36:39 pm »
What she's done tonight makes an absolute mockery of Piers Moron's pathetic comments about her last week.

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Re: Incident at Manchester Arena
« Reply #734 on: June 4, 2017, 10:40:34 pm »
Well in girl, you have my utmost respect.
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Re: Incident at Manchester Arena
« Reply #735 on: June 4, 2017, 10:41:20 pm »
Pretty instructive to realise that a 23 year old pop singer has more brass fucking balls than the 70 year old President of the United States, who tweeted like a maniac last night in between day long visits to his golf courses.

This.  She must weigh 90 lbs and she has bigger balls than that orange idiot.

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Re: Incident at Manchester Arena
« Reply #736 on: June 4, 2017, 10:41:53 pm »
What she's done tonight makes an absolute mockery of Piers Moron's pathetic comments about her last week.

 Don't give the horrible smug bastard a thought at times like this. Not worth it.
"My idea was to build Liverpool into a bastion of invincibility. Napoleon had that idea and he conquered the bloody world! And that's what I wanted; for Liverpool to be untouchable. My idea was to build Liverpool up and up and up until eventually everyone would have to submit and give in."

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Re: Incident at Manchester Arena
« Reply #737 on: June 4, 2017, 10:45:13 pm »
Don't give the horrible smug bastard a thought at times like this. Not worth it.

True, I was just struck by the contrast between them. Beautiful stuff tonight.

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Re: Incident at Manchester Arena
« Reply #738 on: June 4, 2017, 10:45:15 pm »
Can only echo the above and all the other comments. She was inspirational tonight. World Leaders, Isis, the whole world should take note of what they just witnessed.

This is what life is about, the coming together of people, for the love of music, for the love of being together with your family, your partners, your children, your friends.. Every night let those around us know, we care about them, we love them, and how much they mean to us.

For some families in the last few weeks have lost a great deal, and they don't have that chance to do this.

Never forget the most important things in life, allow those things that annoy you, and frustrate you, that make you angry disappear as quickly as they come.

Well done Grande.
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Re: Incident at Manchester Arena
« Reply #739 on: June 4, 2017, 11:14:45 pm »
That wee girl was magnificent.  Arianda, you have some guts on you.

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Re: Incident at Manchester Arena
« Reply #740 on: June 4, 2017, 11:19:51 pm »
Great effort by Ariana. She really led this well, and all credit to her
Huge Hats off to everyone who organised the gig tonight. Particularly all the crew etc.
Unbelievable considering they've had no more than a couple of weeks to get it together from idea to inception

Incredibly slick. I've seen a lot of live event with months of preparation which have gone a lot less smoothly.

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Re: Incident at Manchester Arena
« Reply #741 on: June 4, 2017, 11:30:30 pm »
Somewhere Over the Rainbow finished me off  :-X

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Re: Incident at Manchester Arena
« Reply #742 on: June 4, 2017, 11:37:14 pm »
what an amazing young lady. What a amazing concert and what a way to bring everyone together as one.  Ariana is a national adopted treasure for sure. Events like this shows how strong the human resolve is it times of hardship. So glad I got to watch this amazing event. 

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Re: Incident at Manchester Arena
« Reply #743 on: June 4, 2017, 11:41:17 pm »
Hope Arianna Grande goes on to have a wonderful career and reaches legendary status, if she hasn't already.

Also hope somewhere in the caves, ISIS are watching this and absolutely fuming. Dickheads.
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Re: Incident at Manchester Arena
« Reply #744 on: June 4, 2017, 11:43:37 pm »
Glued to the box until the end tonight. Amazing togetherness right across the different generations. That young lady is very special folks - it shone out of her tonight. If Richard Leese doesn't recognise this and make her an honorary citizen of the city of Manchester then there'll be hell to pay. 
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Re: Incident at Manchester Arena
« Reply #745 on: June 5, 2017, 12:14:06 am »
Ariana was just incredible, at 23 to be able to put on a show like that after everything and be so strong and caring. What a legend.

Was reading this earlier about how humans can normalise the very worst and just get on with life, I found it very interesting on how terrorism is a paradox:

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/terrorism-is-becoming-normal-and-that-will-be-its-undoing-1.3107639?mode=amp

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Re: Incident at Manchester Arena
« Reply #746 on: June 5, 2017, 01:02:50 am »
Ariana is defo not my cup of tea musically, but her team pulled off a good one tonight. Well in girl! Mind you, as an old ex-g*th I was surprised by my knowledge of Take That lyrics
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Re: Incident at Manchester Arena
« Reply #747 on: June 5, 2017, 01:25:20 am »
Had to keep walking out of the living room, just constant welling up.
Phenomenal young lady and what a show.

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Re: Incident at Manchester Arena
« Reply #748 on: June 5, 2017, 05:19:44 am »
A brilliant concert amazing it was done so quickly.

I went to the original Live aid and was amazed but how quick the turn around times were at Live Aid it was at least 30 minutes between each act.

I loved somewhere over the Rainbow the perfect end to the concert.
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Re: Incident at Manchester Arena
« Reply #749 on: June 5, 2017, 06:25:22 am »
About the London attack.

Something I don't understand for something that ended after 8 minutes why is it all still sealed off.

 just seems odd compared to other attacks when there was more deaths but things went back to normal quicker.

It feels like its being dragged out for some reason.
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Re: Incident at Manchester Arena
« Reply #750 on: June 5, 2017, 06:33:05 am »
About the London attack.

Something I don't understand for something that ended after 8 minutes why is it all still sealed off.

 just seems odd compared to other attacks when there was more deaths but things went back to normal quicker.

It feels like its being dragged out for some reason.


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« Reply #751 on: June 5, 2017, 06:35:16 am »
The police are just doing their job Dave. There's no ulterior motive for fucks sake.

Of course they are.

Just asking the question that all.

I was just having that little itch I couldn't scratch.

And I had to ask just seems to be taking a long time.
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Re: Incident at Manchester Arena
« Reply #752 on: June 5, 2017, 09:32:47 am »
Of course they are.

Just asking the question that all.

I was just having that little itch I couldn't scratch.

And I had to ask just seems to be taking a long time.

The crime scene area is enormous. They won't rush such a high profile case. There is simply massive amounts of forensic work required before they can release the scene.

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Re: Incident at Manchester Arena
« Reply #753 on: June 5, 2017, 09:54:46 am »
The crime scene area is enormous. They won't rush such a high profile case. There is simply massive amounts of forensic work required before they can release the scene.

The cordon is still up around Borough Market today. Know people who've been told that they can't go into work today because they can't access their building. Eminently sensible not to rush.

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Re: Incident at Manchester Arena
« Reply #754 on: June 5, 2017, 10:13:55 am »
Of course they are.

Just asking the question that all.

I was just having that little itch I couldn't scratch.

And I had to ask just seems to be taking a long time.

Remember that this was a police ballistics incident too, where 50 bullets were discharged so the forensics from that will be enormous. The police take discharging of their own firearms incredibly seriously and there is a rigourous procedure in place to establish whether officers have any cases to answer - especially in the case of multiple fatalities, of which there were in this incident, whether the victims deserved it or not.

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« Reply #755 on: June 5, 2017, 10:31:46 am »
Remember that this was a police ballistics incident too, where 50 bullets were discharged so the forensics from that will be enormous. The police take discharging of their own firearms incredibly seriously and there is a rigourous procedure in place to establish whether officers have any cases to answer - especially in the case of multiple fatalities, of which there were in this incident, whether the victims deserved it or not.

This don't forget every single bullet needs to be accounted for, especially in a case where a member of the public was caught in the crossfire

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Re: Incident at Manchester Arena
« Reply #756 on: June 5, 2017, 11:04:15 am »
I just got muted on Twitter for calling Piers Moron a Twat regarding his apology to Ariana Grande

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Re: Incident at Manchester Arena
« Reply #757 on: March 27, 2018, 12:36:47 pm »
The Kerslake Report into the events after the suicide bombing was released today.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/kerslake-report-manchester-arena-bomb-14461431

Some bad. Fire service was let down by its leadership. Some of the national press need whipping through the streets in shame. A lot of good - especially the bravery from first responders. And the city itself is praised by families of the bereaved and injured for its response. Not quoting huge chunks of the excellent summary in a paper praised for how it reacted and responded to a tragedy. Give them a click.
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Re: Incident at Manchester Arena
« Reply #758 on: June 17, 2021, 07:28:10 pm »
Horrendous to see the failings that occurred.

Manchester Arena Inquiry: Bomb victims were failed on every level, family says

Twenty-two people murdered in the Manchester Arena bomb were "failed on every level" by organisations criticised in a public inquiry report, a victim's father has said.

Bomber Salman Abedi should have been identified as a threat by security, the inquiry chairman said.

Sir John Saunders found there were missed opportunities to avert or minimise the "devastating impact".

Martyn Hett's father said the attack "should have been prevented".

Paul Hett, whose 29-year-old son died in the bombing, said it had been heartbreaking "to find that Martyn had just been in the wrong place at the wrong time".

Twenty-two people were killed in the bombing and hundreds more were injured when Manchester-born Abedi, who was of Libyan descent, walked across the foyer of the arena at the end of an Ariana Grande concert and detonated the bomb at 22:31 BST on 22 May 2017.

The first of three reports published by the public inquiry, which began in September 2020, has levelled criticism at British Transport Police (BTP), the arena operators SMG, and their contracted security providers, Showsec.

Mr Hett said the organisations involved had a duty of care to protect his son and the other victims, adding: "This inquiry has rightly found that we were failed by them on every level."

"This atrocity should and could have been prevented, and 22 people would not have lost their lives," he said.

Sir John said it was likely Abedi would have detonated his device if confronted but "the loss of life and injury is highly likely to have been less".

On the night of the arena bombing, the national terror threat was classed as severe, meaning a terrorist attack was highly likely.

The inquiry chairman said: "Whilst the threat was not specific to any particular premises, the arena was always a possible target for a terrorist."

He added: "Everybody concerned with security at the arena should have been doing their job in the knowledge that a terrorist attack might occur on that night.

"They weren't. No one believed it could happen to them."

Sir John found two teenage stewards did not react "as robustly and effectively as they should have" when a member of the public, Christopher Wild, raised his concerns about the bomber.

The inquiry chairman called this "the most striking missed opportunity".

Other key findings:

There was no BTP officer present in the foyer and "no satisfactory explanation" for this
Two on-duty officers took a break of more than two hours, including a 10-mile round trip to buy kebabs
Abedi hid in a CCTV blindspot which had existed for years. If addressed the attack could have been "disrupted or deterred or fewer people killed"
Showsec was criticised for not ensuring staff properly checked the mezzanine where Abedi hid
Counter-terrorism training given to stewards was a "significant failure"
Risk assessments by SMG and Showsec were "inadequate"
SMG and Showsec "failed to take steps to improve security at the arena that they should have taken"
A range of improvements have been recommended.

Most notably Sir John has supported the introduction of new "Protect Duty" legislation to place a duty on venue operators to consider and cater for the risk of a terrorist attack.

Figen Murray has been campaigning for the legislation, also known an "Martyn's Law", in memory of her son, Martyn Hett.

She said the report made it clear that "venue security needs to be improved to help prevent further terror attacks".

"We should not have to live in fear and I am determined to make this law a reality," she added.

Analysis by Judith Moritz, north of England correspondent
This report makes difficult reading for the families of the 22 people who were murdered at the Manchester Arena.

But everyone I have spoken to has said how important it is, and how valuable they find it.

Nothing in the 200-page document can bring their loved ones back but there is a united feeling they do not want anyone else to suffer as they have.

And so, they are committed to this inquiry laying out failures and suggesting ways to improve things for the future.

The families I have spoken to know that there is still a long road ahead and are particularly dreading the section of the inquiry which will examine how the 22 died and whether any of them could have been saved.

They know that there will be many more painful days like this one before they reach the end of the process.

June Tron, mother of 32-year-old Philip Tron who also died, said she hoped laws would be introduced "to ensure people can go to a concert or a big public event in confidence that they have the best possible protection".

"It has become clear that was not the case for Philip, 21 others who also lost their lives, and the hundreds more who were seriously injured or left traumatised by what happened," she said.

She said it was "very hard to accept and understand" that "Philip and everybody else in the vicinity of the arena that night was placed at risk".

Solicitor Neil Hudgell, who represents some of bereaved families, said collective failings made the arena a sitting target for terrorists, leaving thousands of young people "open and vulnerable".

"The security around the venue and event was nowhere near what it needed to be," he said.

Arena operator SMG said it would "continuously challenge ourselves to be better".

SMG added that, during the inquiry, experts "did not see evidence that the security operation in place at Manchester Arena was out of step with the operations being used at other comparable venues" but added that "this doesn't give us any comfort".

"Our guests came to the arena to enjoy a show but were met with a horrific tragedy. For that we are truly sorry," a spokesperson added.

Security firm Showsec said it had "learnt lessons" and improvements were "already in place" but it would now "take time to consider both Sir John's criticisms and his recommendations before responding as he has requested".

BTP Chief Constable Lucy D'Orsi said the force had been "reviewing procedures, operational planning and training" since the attack and was "committed to ensuring our staff are supported and prepared to undertake the roles they are required to do".

Home Secretary Priti Patel said the government continued "to take action in response to the terrorist threat" and had launched a consultation on the proposed Protect Duty.

She said the government would "carefully consider" the report and would respond fully in due course.

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Re: Incident at Manchester Arena
« Reply #759 on: June 17, 2021, 10:58:54 pm »
Was at the Arena with the Mrs 3 weeks before the bombing. We both left early, because what we went to see was disappointing. Both went for a piss before we left and both of us said after that it was piss poor security. Mrs said there was even a fight in the ladies bogs. Most people were still in the Arena and no security around the bogs.