Author Topic: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent (Read 343110 times)

Alan_X · « **Reply #3080 on:** April 13, 2012, 07:52:02 am »

Quote from: sideshowme on April 13, 2012, 07:49:45 am

i find it astonishing that anybody here truly believes the statements released have any bearing on what the actual reasons for these changes might be. we are a good few years and several ghostwriters away from ever getting even the faintest inkling of what's happened at the club over the last 12 months.

football is a lie.

Oh get a grip.

Liverbird 2010 · « **Reply #3081 on:** April 13, 2012, 07:55:13 am »

Quote from: subroc on April 13, 2012, 07:48:50 am

But why now, of all the days and times, and on the same day as two dismissals?! The reason does nto compute...

It does comute if they have lined up a replacement who doesnt want Bruckner or Comolli as they will be bringing in their own team of pro's.
There is more to this than meets the eye from yesterdays statements/sackings, I really believe they have a new manager lined up anyone ignoring this would be foolish.

subroc · « **Reply #3082 on:** April 13, 2012, 07:56:51 am »

Quote from: Liverbird 2010 on April 13, 2012, 07:55:13 am

It does comute if they have lined up a replacement who doesnt want Bruckner or Comolli as they will be bringing in their own team of pro's.
There is more to this than meets the eye from yesterdays statements/sackings, I really believe they have a new manager lined up anyone ignoring this would be foolish.

But the announcement said that Burgess will be promoted to Brukner's position.

Alan_X · « **Reply #3083 on:** April 13, 2012, 07:57:16 am »

Quote from: Liverbird 2010 on April 13, 2012, 07:55:13 am

It does comute if they have lined up a replacement who doesnt want Bruckner or Comolli as they will be bringing in their own team of pro's.
There is more to this than meets the eye from yesterdays statements/sackings, I really believe they have a new manager lined up anyone ignoring this would be foolish.

Managers don't bring in directors of football.

TepidT2O · « **Reply #3084 on:** April 13, 2012, 07:58:58 am »

Look

Nothing to suggest Brukner was sacked.

It's quite likely that he came over to set up. The sport sconce unit and oversee its inception.

That's done down so he's off back home.....

He may even have been on a two year contract......

I don't think this is the same as comolli in any way.

Pistolero · « **Reply #3085 on:** April 13, 2012, 08:00:36 am »

Quote from: sideshowme on April 13, 2012, 07:49:45 am

football is a lie.

Rhythm is a dancer.

WOOLTONIAN · « **Reply #3086 on:** April 13, 2012, 08:01:26 am »

Quote from: Alan_X on April 13, 2012, 07:52:02 am

Oh get a grip.

You gotta admit, we learn more via the rumour mill nowadays.
This together with two more moves scheduled in May & June have been circulating for over a month.
The only question I have now is.... Is it Rafa, Rodgers or O'Neill

spider-neil · « **Reply #3087 on:** April 13, 2012, 08:04:32 am »

Quote from: Pistolero on April 13, 2012, 08:00:36 am

Rhythm is a dancer.

snap is the power

Liverbird 2010 · « **Reply #3088 on:** April 13, 2012, 08:04:56 am »

Quote from: Alan_X on April 13, 2012, 07:57:16 am

Managers don't bring in directors of football.

We havent got one yet Al, in my opinion big changes are coming into place in the summer, a more proffessional one at that with a whole team of people who know what they are doing to move the club forward, lets face it we have looked very amateur with whats gone on this season on & off the pitch.
I could be wrong however.

Alan_X · « **Reply #3089 on:** April 13, 2012, 08:05:00 am »

Quote from: WOOLTONIAN on April 13, 2012, 08:01:26 am

You gotta admit, we learn more via the rumour mill nowadays.
This together with two more moves scheduled in May & June have been circulating for over a month.
The only question I have now is.... Is it Rafa, Rodgers or O'Neill

Allardyce....

I know there is stuff going on behind the scenes. Of course there is but that doesn't mean that there's a dark secret behind every announcement. As Freud said - sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...

Alan_X · « **Reply #3090 on:** April 13, 2012, 08:06:52 am »

Quote from: Liverbird 2010 on April 13, 2012, 08:04:56 am

We havent got one yet Al, in my opinion big changes are coming into place in the summer, a more proffessional one at that with a whole team of people who know what they are doing to move the club forward, lets face it we have looked very amateur with whats gone on this season on & off the pitch.
I could be wrong however.

Possibly, but the intention is that the new DoF will be in place before the end of the season and before the transfer window opens. That suggests it's independent of any discussions about managers.

spider-neil · « **Reply #3091 on:** April 13, 2012, 08:07:50 am »

Quote from: alfonso on April 13, 2012, 07:18:14 am

If it stops us buying over priced, over rated British players, then I am all for it.

just like garath bale I think comolli's legacy will yield fruit after he has gone.

MaschHead · « **Reply #3092 on:** April 13, 2012, 08:07:51 am »

We won't get Van Gaal and Cruyff together, they hate eachother

Getting Cruyff as some kind of advisor on board would be nice though, I don't like Van Gaal personally, good coach though.

RJH · « **Reply #3093 on:** April 13, 2012, 08:08:02 am »

Quote from: subroc on April 13, 2012, 07:48:50 am

But why now, of all the days and times, and on the same day as two dismissals?! The reason does nto compute...

But why is it any worse to announce the departures at the same time than is would be to stagger the announcements?

Whenever they were announced, you'd still be getting the same reaction from the rumour mill.

CraigDS · « **Reply #3094 on:** April 13, 2012, 08:11:07 am »

Quote from: subroc on April 13, 2012, 07:48:50 am

But why now, of all the days and times, and on the same day as two dismissals?! The reason does nto compute...

Gets the media attention out the way. Plus to be honest the media story about Bruckner will be a little side note today rather than a big story in a few weeks if we announced it then.

ziggyy · « **Reply #3095 on:** April 13, 2012, 08:12:49 am »

Quote from: Alan_X on April 13, 2012, 08:05:00 am

Allardyce....

Hmm, quite possible actually... To bring out the best in Carroll, we got Downing & Adam in, there were also rumours that we wanted Joey Barton too... so very very possible...

Liverbird 2010 · « **Reply #3096 on:** April 13, 2012, 08:14:44 am »

Quote from: Alan_X on April 13, 2012, 08:06:52 am

Possibly, but the intention is that the new DoF will be in place before the end of the season and before the transfer window opens. That suggests it's independent of any discussions about managers.

In an ideal world and what I believe is best for the club is not to get another DOF we would be better employing Dein or Barwick, a top talent spotter and let Kenny or if they have turned their attention to someone else, get on with the job. No other english club has a DOF because it doesnt work here they would do well to take note of this !!!

TepidT2O · « **Reply #3097 on:** April 13, 2012, 08:17:16 am »

Look, the whole Dein thing's clearly a red herring...

It's clear that FSG have been advised by someone about the likes of Cryuff and Van Gaal...

Who do we think is advising them?

It seems obvious that it's Dein......

He's advising the owners, nothing more, nothing less.

shelovesyou · « **Reply #3098 on:** April 13, 2012, 08:17:40 am »

Quote from: subroc on April 13, 2012, 07:48:50 am

But why now, of all the days and times, and on the same day as two dismissals?! The reason does nto compute...

Probably leaked anyway, so had to make a statement.

hide5seek · « **Reply #3099 on:** April 13, 2012, 08:20:24 am »

Quote from: subroc on April 13, 2012, 07:48:50 am

But why now, of all the days and times, and on the same day as two dismissals?! The reason does nto compute...

Its not a dismissal, Bruckner has done his job and is moving on.

Alan_X · « **Reply #3100 on:** April 13, 2012, 08:21:03 am »

Quote from: subroc on April 13, 2012, 07:48:50 am

But why now, of all the days and times, and on the same day as two dismissals?! The reason does nto compute...

So you do one announcement a week or one a month and the club seems to be in endless crisis mode? Of course it computes...

WOOLTONIAN · « **Reply #3101 on:** April 13, 2012, 08:23:07 am »

Quote from: Alan_X on April 13, 2012, 08:05:00 am

I know there is stuff going on behind the scenes. Of course there is but that doesn't mean that there's a dark secret behind every announcement. As Freud said - sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...

I always did like your sense on humour.
Reading your responses here gives me a picture of Geoff Boycott dropping his bat on everything that comes down the wicket.
Watch out for the enevitable GOOGLY it may turn out to be a CHINAMAN

davey.1978 · « **Reply #3102 on:** April 13, 2012, 08:23:38 am »

It wouldn't suprise me that whoever comes in has more of a hands-on media role taking the emphasis off the manager. Let's be honest, Kenny despises them as much as the rest of us. If that is Cruyff...then all the better...and it makes putting on me trainies a little more personel.

spider-neil · « **Reply #3103 on:** April 13, 2012, 08:25:41 am »

the timing makes sense (not two days before the semi final but mid april) as you will be drawing up the list of players to approach in the summer right now and you'll want to get them signed before euros to in case their value increases. the timing makes sense.

PJG · « **Reply #3104 on:** April 13, 2012, 08:27:48 am »

Quote from: spider-neil on April 13, 2012, 08:25:41 am

the timing makes sense (not two days before the semi final but mid april) as you will be drawing up the list of players to approach in the summer right now and you'll want to get them signed before euros to in case their value increases. the timing makes sense.

who will be drawing up the list?

Robbo1980 · « **Reply #3105 on:** April 13, 2012, 08:30:04 am »

Quote

who will be drawing up the list?

Purslow!!

Liverbird 2010 · « **Reply #3106 on:** April 13, 2012, 08:30:39 am »

If the rumour mill is true it is suggested that Bruckner failed to spot the infection Gerrard got twice in his foot, and was clashing with kenny over injured players not being ready and breaking down with injury again kelly & Johnson, ofcourse this could just be bull but would also make sense. For me this is a bit of a none story anyway and there's no need for anyone to get their knickers in a twist over Bruckner leaving anyway.

I just want whats best for the club and also suspect there will be more departures before the seasons finished as long as the new replacements are better than them they are replacing then it can only be a good thing for LFC.

planet-terror · « **Reply #3107 on:** April 13, 2012, 08:41:57 am »

nothing new overnight then I take it?

Kochevnik · « **Reply #3108 on:** April 13, 2012, 08:48:55 am »

Quote from: Mr Dilkington on April 13, 2012, 05:19:32 am

Really taken aback by this news to be honest.

I think it's FSG's way of firing a warning signal to Dalglish, Clarke and co. Basically, things need to improve. Only, they could hardly sack Kenny two days before the F.a cup semi. Personally I think they are saying privately, we got it wrong with Comolli, and we got it wrong with Dalglish. Maybe I'm wrong like, maybe they do have 'full confidence' in Kenny and maybe he does enjoy their 'full support. I just don't think so. Whether we like it or not, his statement on Kenny was 100% necessary. If he had refused to comment or showed in any way some doubt, the papers would have been all over it. With the semi coming up, it just wouldn't have happened.

I reckon Kenny will leave by mutual consent come the summer, and I think it'll be FSG that make the first move on that front.

I agree with you, and I've been surprised how few have thought this.

To me, it's just like when they brought Comolli in originally; bring in the DoF so that he can then look around and decide on the manager he wants. Comolli came in, had a couple of months to get settled, and then sacked Hodgson. The new DoF now has the chance to do the same, and in the summer I'm fairly sure we'll see another manager, unless results drastically improve between now and then. It seems sad to have to worry about this, but I do hope that the new DoF is a well-respected figure in world football, because the owners will be wanting to present an attractive package to entice a good manager, but we're not going to get one if there are doubts about the new director and the owners' pursestrings.

Time to make a statement about where we're going, I reckon. The Director of Football we select will have a lot to say about where that is.

steveeastend · « **Reply #3109 on:** April 13, 2012, 08:49:09 am »

Quote from: kcbworth on April 13, 2012, 06:33:23 am

Anyway, if this means we'll never see (imho) major fuckups like Aquilani (paying ~75% of his wage to play for AC Milan ffs, after clearly playing heads and shoulders above the majority of the rest our squad in preseaon), Meireles (selling one of our best performers of the previous season shortly after losing the aforementioned Aquilani and knowing Gerrard was out for half the season), and Pacheco (loan with option to buy deal for one of our most promising youngsters... absolutely ludicrous), then this is a good day imho.

I'm none too happy about the Insua treatment either (although this was mitigated by Enrique).

Couldn´t agree more. IMO, Comolli did his best to continue the squad management of Hodgson and I am glad he is gone. The damage done of both was remarkable.

marcus50bucks · « **Reply #3110 on:** April 13, 2012, 08:49:52 am »

Quote from: Y2J on April 13, 2012, 02:00:54 am

credit to royhendo

Where is this article from?

Didi_ram · « **Reply #3111 on:** April 13, 2012, 08:50:16 am »

I just hope it is Begiristain. There'd be a massive turnaround of our fortunes,and the way we play. Point is whether we can tempt him here. The summer could be massive,with our club legend+a master tactician.

jaffod · « **Reply #3112 on:** April 13, 2012, 08:50:38 am »

Quote from: planet--terror on April 13, 2012, 08:41:57 am

nothing new overnight then I take it?

What do you think we are? A soap opera? Hmm, hang on a minute...

Dick Emery · « **Reply #3113 on:** April 13, 2012, 08:51:00 am »

I wonder what would happen if we lose on Saturday and lose badly? The owners are clearly holding people to account at the moment.

SheffieldRed · « **Reply #3114 on:** April 13, 2012, 08:51:47 am »

Anyone know if Tom and John are still in the country and for how long they will be staying? Are we to assume that the new position will be decided whilst they're still here?

Chakan · « **Reply #3115 on:** April 13, 2012, 08:52:22 am »

Quote from: SheffieldRed on April 13, 2012, 08:51:47 am

Anyone know if Tom and John are still in the country and for how long they will be staying? Are we to assume that the new position will be decided whilst they're still here?

They are there for the semi final so one would assume until the weekend is over.

PJG · « **Reply #3116 on:** April 13, 2012, 08:55:02 am »

Quote from: planet--terror on April 13, 2012, 08:41:57 am

nothing new overnight then I take it?

Comolli's been sacked
Kenny's been backed
Brukner has packed

Alan_X · « **Reply #3117 on:** April 13, 2012, 08:55:06 am »

Quote from: SheffieldRed on April 13, 2012, 08:51:47 am

Anyone know if Tom and John are still in the country and for how long they will be staying? Are we to assume that the new position will be decided whilst they're still here?

They're here to watch the match and I'd expect them to fly back early next week. It's highly unlikely there will be an appointment in the next few days - Werner said that they took action over Comolli now to have someone in place before the summer, suggesting that they expect the process to take some time.

Alan_X · « **Reply #3118 on:** April 13, 2012, 08:56:18 am »

Quote from: Dick Emery on April 13, 2012, 08:51:00 am

I wonder what would happen if we lose on Saturday and lose badly? The owners are clearly holding people to account at the moment.

Nothing. That's one of the benefits of taking action before the game. It shows that they aren't taking knee-jerk decisions.

Fordy · « **Reply #3119 on:** April 13, 2012, 08:56:36 am »

Quote from: Alan_X on April 13, 2012, 08:06:52 am

Possibly, but the intention is that the new DoF will be in place before the end of the season and before the transfer window opens. That suggests it's independent of any discussions about managers.

Yeah I agree.

Would be sacked if the owners don't know who they want.

Think we will have a replacement in place within 2 weeks.

Transfers don't get done when the transfer window opens. Most are agreed before the window opens.

The owners want a DOF(for whatever reason) and that has nothing to do with the manager.