Topic: It's a conspiraceh

[TipTopKop]

Correction to my terminology, yes it's not a trial, should have said court proceedings.

He has cash pouring in from his right wing loonies.

Yes, much more than is visible.

[Chakan]

The economist is testifying in the Alex Jones trial at the moment. You can watch it live on the law and criminal network youtube channel.

[Chakan]

Testimony finished, he says Alex Jones is worth 130mil on the low end but closer to $260m on the top end.

Jury instructions next, then deliberation.

[Hazell]

So what happens? Jones will need to pay more than the 4m from yesterday? Will that actually happen if he's bankrupt?

[Chakan]

So what happens? Jones will need to pay more than the 4m from yesterday? Will that actually happen if he's bankrupt?

Yesterday's verdict was for one charge, this is the 2nd charge for punitive damages.

It depends what the jury comes back with on the amount.

He's not bankrupt but he has filed for bankruptcy. That I have no idea about, as the laws make no sense to me.

[TipTopKop]

Yes, those figures quoting his worth are closer to reality, and as I said, this line about how he funds his operation through supplements is way off the mark.

His dad's a dentist, funded his operation on radio to begin with and took it from there. Definitely not a rags to riches story.

Incredible how you can amass such a fortune by obscuring facts, spreading lies with 1% or 2% of truth in them, skimming headlines and riffing. It's what he does.

Days before the trial Alex appeared on Bannon's podcast to speak about a new puff piece documentary called "Alex's War" being made about him, and he was praising Bannon and talking about how much he admired him and his work...... and yet for the past 3 or 4 years he's done nothing but bash Bannon on InfoWars

Talking about how he stole his ideas and gave them to Trump, how he's lied when giving testimony, how Bannon's fake and he's real... and just like that shows up to Bannon "I admire your work and what you do, this is amazing what you've done with Trump etc, etc"

By the way if I say trial I know it might not technically be that, Mark Bankston, lead counsel for the Sandy Hook family members who sued Alex keeps calling it a trial ...too long to type "Court proceedings"

[Chakan]

You've got to wonder about the future of Alex Jone's attorneys. They seems like dumbest fucking lawyers on earth.

[Hazell]

Yesterday's verdict was for one charge, this is the 2nd charge for punitive damages.

It depends what the jury comes back with on the amount.

He's not bankrupt but he has filed for bankruptcy. That I have no idea about, as the laws make no sense to me.

Ah right, thanks. Just hope he gets fucked some ways.

[Chakan]

Deliberation has begun

[gazzalfc]

$45.2m in punitive damages.

He's finished

[Chakan]

That's a great start!

Being that it's just one family!

I mean it's not nothing but it's not as much as it could have been.

[Jiminy Cricket]

That's a great start!

Being that it's just one family!

I mean it's not nothing but it's not as much as it could have been.

Aren't there eight claims? At that rate, that's 360 million!

[Chakan]

Aren't there eight claims? At that rate, that's 360 million!

There’s 4 lawsuits with I suppose 2 claims per, so yeah I think all in all 8 claims

2 down 6 to go!

[Chakan]

You gotta wonder if he’s a flight risk? Just pack up and flee to a non extradition country with his family?

[Flaccido Dongingo]

You gotta wonder if he’s a flight risk? Just pack up and flee to a non extradition country with his family?

The money isn't a concern, as he'll be backed by the RW mentalists in the US.

[Chakan]

The money isn't a concern, as he'll be backed by the RW mentalists in the US.

True but if you know you’ve got 3 more of these to get through then that’s going to take a serious hit.

RW mentalist are not just gonna hand him $200m+

[Elmo!]

The money isn't a concern, as he'll be backed by the RW mentalists in the US.

At this rate though, at what point to the mentalists think, we're essentially using Jones as a conduit to hand money over to those they disagree with though.

[Flaccido Dongingo]

At this rate though, at what point to the mentalists think, we're essentially using Jones as a conduit to hand money over to those they disagree with though.

He's an established media mouthpiece though, supporting him through monetary means is easier than taking the time and the same monetary resources to establish another talking head to further their agenda.

[Nobby Reserve]

You are going to need to explain the connection for me.

Probably puts paid to a Bread reunion show 

 

When you paste the wrong link...       (and what a wrong link!!)


Meant to post: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66792977

[Jiminy Cricket]

 

When you paste the wrong link...       (and what a wrong link!!)

Meant to post: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66792977

That's a relief. I thought I was being wooshed!

[Kenny's Jacket]

That's a relief. I thought I was being wooshed!

me too, I thought, Ill let someone ask and else look daft.

Nobby's link needs to be really, really interesting now, after this build up.

[Jiminy Cricket]

me too, I thought, Ill let someone ask and else look daft.

Nobby's link needs to be really, really interesting now, after this build up.

I'm always willing to oblige. It was blind chance that saved me.

[Party Phil]

Does this change things?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-66797606

This is one of the best posts I have ever seen on RAWK

[spen71]

Ha ha.   When I first read this,  I was thinking hmmmm.  Ma Boswell and a conspiracy theory?

[Huyrob]

 

[KillieRed]

That's a relief. I thought I was being wooshed!

Same. Was very confused.

[CornerFlag]

At Liverpool Town Hall.  Bunch of absolute whoppers.

https://twitter.com/HumphreysECHO

[Nobby Reserve]

At Liverpool Town Hall.  Bunch of absolute whoppers.

https://twitter.com/HumphreysECHO

What the actual fuck?

People really are fuckwittedly stoopid

[So… Howard Philips]

There’s a flat earthier who serenades the tourists in Chester with his claptrap.

Today he was espousing the fantasy that Scott of the Antarctic didn’t exit and his expedition was a story.

I didn’t hang around long enough to get the punch line.

[damomad]

At my nan's wake a couple of year ago, I got talking to a cousin of mine who I hadn't spoke to in years. This is a lad who I grew up with, good education.

He'd gone completely off the deep end, believed in every conspiracy under the sun. Even the flat earth. Started explaining to me about how water in a cup stays flat even when you tilt the cup. Was fucking bizarre. Before talking to him I used to believe most flat earthers were in on the joke. It's not the case unfortunately, they really are out there.

[Robinred]

This is well worth a read from the always perceptive George Monbiot:

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2024/may/04/youre-going-to-call-me-a-holocaust-denier-now-are-you-george-monbiot-comes-face-to-face-with-his-local-conspiracy-theorist?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

[Mumm-Ra]

This is well worth a read from the always perceptive George Monbiot:

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2024/may/04/youre-going-to-call-me-a-holocaust-denier-now-are-you-george-monbiot-comes-face-to-face-with-his-local-conspiracy-theorist?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Good read that, cheers

[BarryCrocker]

This is well worth a read from the always perceptive George Monbiot:

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2024/may/04/youre-going-to-call-me-a-holocaust-denier-now-are-you-george-monbiot-comes-face-to-face-with-his-local-conspiracy-theorist?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Superb stuff.

You might as well pin this piece into the 'The corruption fallacy - they’re all out to get us!' thread.

We know we’re being lied to, we know justice is not done, we see the beneficiaries flaunting their immense wealth and undemocratic power. Conspiracy fantasists may get the facts wrong, “but often get the feelings right”.

[Red Beret]

You might as well pin this piece into the 'The corruption fallacy - they’re all out to get us!' thread.

Quote

    We know we’re being lied to, we know justice is not done, we see the beneficiaries flaunting their immense wealth and undemocratic power. Conspiracy fantasists may get the facts wrong, “but often get the feelings right”.

I've never considered myself a conspiracy theorist - or conspiracy fantasist. But certainly in several occasions in that thread I tried to emphasise that something has felt off about numerous decisions over the past few years - and went into overdrive in this season.

It's good for people to want evidence, but then I see everything being explained away - a little too vigorously. It's more dismissive than anything else, and turns into undermining the person rather than what's being discussed. I feel people don't want to trust their own instincts sometimes.

I don't want the discussion rehashed here, but I don't think supposed professionals are capable of that level of incompetence; and if it's not incompetence then it's something else.

I largely walked away from the thread because it just became too exhausting to deal with.

[BarryCrocker]

I've never considered myself a conspiracy theorist - or conspiracy fantasist. But certainly in several occasions in that thread I tried to emphasise that something has felt off about numerous decisions over the past few years - and went into overdrive in this season.

It's good for people to want evidence, but then I see everything being explained away - a little too vigorously. It's more dismissive than anything else, and turns into undermining the person rather than what's being discussed. I feel people don't want to trust their own instincts sometimes.

I don't want the discussion rehashed here, but I don't think supposed professionals are capable of that level of incompetence; and if it's not incompetence then it's something else.

I largely walked away from the thread because it just became too exhausting to deal with.

Incompetence is a better explanation than conspiracy in most human activity - Peter Bergen

What I've noticed over the years is that incompetence is very rarely consistent. If it was, the perpetrators would never be seen or employed in roles such as PL officials.

[Red Beret]

Sorry. I should have said not JUST incompetence. That they are clearly incompetent is beyond dispute at this point. But the consistency is obvious, and I don't see any officials being fired for it.

But I'll say no more. No sense derailing the topic. 

[Buster Gonad]

This is well worth a read from the always perceptive George Monbiot:

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2024/may/04/youre-going-to-call-me-a-holocaust-denier-now-are-you-george-monbiot-comes-face-to-face-with-his-local-conspiracy-theorist?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Cheers for that. I'll buy his book

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Out of interest, has anyone read any conspiracy books?

I read a lot. I never think I'm right about pretty much anything because I'm pretty much not.

I've read works on history, science, maths, physical, tech and everything inbetween and it fascinates me how much I don't know.

As part of this when I heard about David Icke, I thought that you can't just laugh at someone because someone tells you - if you want to understand what they are saying then you need to read what they've said.

I've read The Perception Deception (Books 1 and 2), stuff about the Freemasons, Stuff about the Illuminanti, Books like the Golden Bough. I've read stuff about Area 51, Aliens, Ancient Mysteries and those that think that they mean many different things.

I did learn some stuff - which I then read up on, but I can't say I came away from Icke's books thinking I'd had a revelation - but I did have a bit of a Paradigm Shift in my mind - it let me think about - and then reject - stuff in a different way.

I may well be deluded. We all might be. I use VR quite a lot and as games get more and more complex then the graphics and the worlds you visit get more and more real. I have some sympathy with the idea that this might be a projected AI reality - as Phil K. Dick said himself as far back as 1977. Plato's Allegory of the cave is an interesting theory as well - we already know that we only hear stuff in our very limited range (Does 'sound' itself exist outside the human ear) and we know we see stuff in a very limited range (Does visual reality exist outside the human eye?) We can think within the confines of our brains and within the confines of the 3d reality we live in (4 if you want to count time, but we can discount time as Science shows that times arrow is fairly irrelevant).

I always have felt that there is 'more' outside our ken than we can ever know, but perhaps that is part of the human condition. Maybe somethings are unknowable due to distance, time, space, reality and the dimensions we inhabit.

But if you want to get a handle on ideas then have a read. Even if you disagree with most of it, I find that challenging myself with these ideas gives me a deeper understanding on what I think and how I feel about stuff.

But you can't just discount stuff on soundbites if you haven't read it, thought about it and understood a different point of view.


Just my 2p worth

[TepidT2O]

Right, I’m telling Alan on you.

[Jiminy Cricket]

Right, I’m telling Alan on you.