Topic: Gerrard

[Dr Manhattan]

I'll bet you he doesn't play again until the new year.

[MolbyLovesGravlax]

Aqua is a good player, and in an alternate universe he could have ended up being an important player for us, BUT Gerrard is, without a doubt, by a country mile, obvious to a blind man wearing a bag on his head - The best player to wear a Liverpool shirt since we stopped winning titles. I am not sure how you can even argue against that.

[Aristotle]

Aqua is a good player, and in an alternate universe he could have ended up being an important player for us, BUT Gerrard is, without a doubt, by a country mile, obvious to a blind man wearing a bag on his head - The best player to wear a Liverpool shirt since we stopped winning titles. I am not sure how you can even argue against that.

I don't think anyone is arguing that but, at the risk of a shitstorm of hate, so what?

Yes he is a phenomenal player, on his day an absolute force of nature that can not be stopped but he's not been that player for nearly 2 years now. In the last 2 seasons he has scored in 6 games and started a whopping 2 games since March. Don't get me wrong I love all of his goals against the Mancs, they still bring a smile to my face when I look back but in all honesty can you tell me when was the last time you looked at your next 5 figures and thought "We have Stevie, we can beat anyone!"?

I, for one can't. I mean I know he can still do it, but I still don't feel confident that he will. And to highlight how dodgy Gerrard's appearances have been. Daniel Agger, shut out by Roy Hodgson, notorious for his chronic injuries will, if he plays against City tomorrow, have featured in more Liverpool games than Gerrard since we played Arsenal in the season opener last season. But as has been thrown about every time it's brought up that Agger should be made captain the argument is that you can't have a captain who never plays. I'm not saying Gerrard should be stripped of the captain's armband because he's always injured, but I think there are others who have done well who deserve the captaincy and more importantly can do that role week in week out.


The fact is (or at least is becoming) that Gerrard hasn't been reliable for nearly 2 years, he's still several moves ahead in his head, but as the unstoppable force that dragged us to a European Cup final he's not. But saying that Aquilani shouldn't have been kept because we had Gerrard is nonsense. He was homesick, he wasn't rated by the management team, he had delusions of granduer that upset the dressing room or whatever. They are legitimite reasons for why we let him go, but saying we did because we have Gerrard is a bit like the logic that Lucas was shit as a midfielder because he wasn't Xabi Alonso.

[442luke]

Past it.

[OneTouchFooty]

Past it.

 

[andspecks]

http://thekop.liverpoolfc.tv/_It39s-High-Time-That-Steven-Gerrard39s-Title-Itch-Is-Scratched/blog/5491340/173471.html?b=

Nice article from Tony Barret.

[1021]

I don't think anyone is arguing that but, at the risk of a shitstorm of hate, so what?

Yes he is a phenomenal player, on his day an absolute force of nature that can not be stopped but he's not been that player for nearly 2 years now. In the last 2 seasons he has scored in 6 games and started a whopping 2 games since March. Don't get me wrong I love all of his goals against the Mancs, they still bring a smile to my face when I look back but in all honesty can you tell me when was the last time you looked at your next 5 figures and thought "We have Stevie, we can beat anyone!"?

I, for one can't. I mean I know he can still do it, but I still don't feel confident that he will. And to highlight how dodgy Gerrard's appearances have been. Daniel Agger, shut out by Roy Hodgson, notorious for his chronic injuries will, if he plays against City tomorrow, have featured in more Liverpool games than Gerrard since we played Arsenal in the season opener last season. But as has been thrown about every time it's brought up that Agger should be made captain the argument is that you can't have a captain who never plays. I'm not saying Gerrard should be stripped of the captain's armband because he's always injured, but I think there are others who have done well who deserve the captaincy and more importantly can do that role week in week out.


The fact is (or at least is becoming) that Gerrard hasn't been reliable for nearly 2 years, he's still several moves ahead in his head, but as the unstoppable force that dragged us to a European Cup final he's not. But saying that Aquilani shouldn't have been kept because we had Gerrard is nonsense. He was homesick, he wasn't rated by the management team, he had delusions of granduer that upset the dressing room or whatever. They are legitimite reasons for why we let him go, but saying we did because we have Gerrard is a bit
 like the logic that Lucas was shit as a midfielder because he wasn't Xabi Alonso.

Aristotle sir, you have an unique ability to go into a thread full of overblown, reactionary, kneejerk, weepy shit and post something that makes it worthwhile.

Absolutely spot on. 
Followed this thread in utter disbelief at people not reading posts. Seeing Gerrard and Aquilani in the same sentence and feeling the need to suggest certain footballers perform bodily functions over others. It is ridiculous.

Anyway, hoping Gerrard can get back to fitness soon, because as the stats regarding Agger's fitness in comparison to the captain, are really concerning.

Our squad is obviously better when he is available, he is a great footballer but we need it on the pitch. And as things stand we are light on both creativity and central midfielders when assessing the squad in Gerrard's absence.

[Passmaster Molby]

I too have given up hope of us seeing him playing for us again this calendar year, but if we could get this lad fit and ready to go for the second half of the season it would be fantastic for the run in to the end of the season.

Just when defenders are getting tired and making mistakes a fit and fresh Gerrard turns up - what a fucking boost that would be for us.

[hassinator]

Good post. I don't think you will attract "a shitstorm of hate" amongst the more level headed on here.

he still sells more shirts than any other player is one factor not considered.

in terms of how liverpool will be on the pitch without gerrard we've had a lot of practice.

when fit again where do we think he is he going to play?

[vivabobbygraham]

http://thekop.liverpoolfc.tv/_It39s-High-Time-That-Steven-Gerrard39s-Title-Itch-Is-Scratched/blog/5491340/173471.html?b=

Nice article from Tony Barret.

Ratboy said as much last week tbf

[Billy The Kid]

Past it.

Past his own personal best perhaps. That much is certainly true. But he's still a top player.

Then again, if your personal best comprises a standard that is greater than the likes of Dalglish or Barnes had, then its a hard standard to maintain.

And no, I'm not taking the piss.

[rednich85]

Past it.

With that sort of insight, I wish you would post more.

[The G in Gerrard]

I often argue with lads at work now who seem to think he'll end up in MLS sooner rather than later which I hope isn't true as he's best LFC player I've seen 

[Tony19:6]

Injuries permitting and @31years of age would still walk straight into our team in place of any of the current MFs at our club.

[Billy The Kid]

I often argue with lads at work now who seem to think he'll end up in MLS sooner rather than later which I hope isn't true as he's best LFC player I've seen 

Why would a player of his caliber want to play in a league full of nomarks like Robbie Keane and David Beckham?

Even at the age he is at, if it became known on the continent that Liverpool were willing to let him go, there would be a host of top clubs willing to snap him up. The MLS is for average has beens. Like erm....Keane and Beckham

[Tony19:6]

Why would a player of his caliber want to play in a league full of nomarks like Robbie Keane and David Beckham?

Even at the age he is at, if it became known on the continent that Liverpool were willing to let him go, there would be a host of top clubs willing to snap him up. The MLS is for average has beens. Like erm....Keane and Beckham

...and Henry

[xman2007]

but in all honesty can you tell me when was the last time you looked at your next 5 figures and thought "We have Stevie, we can beat anyone!"?.

Not at all this season cause we're no longer a 1/2 man team (AKA Gerrard/Torres)
Stevie G is our talisman and captain and until the day he isn't I will support him end of.

[Billy The Kid]

...and Henry

Wouldn't say Henry was ever average, but he's a has been nonetheless

[vivabobbygraham]

Past it.

Welcome. Look forward to many more intelligent and insightful posts from you.

[Tony19:6]

Wouldn't say Henry was ever average, but he's a has been nonetheless

We was a 'top top' player in his prime but then again cut out the circus and look at footballing ability alone and I'd say Beckham was too *said through gritted teeth*...

Anyways all 3 are past their prime these days, but back to the thread can't see Gerrard whoring himself out down that route meself?

[Milly]

Past it.

Got a few bites that one....

[Aristotle]

Not at all this season cause we're no longer a 1/2 man team (AKA Gerrard/Torres)
Stevie G is our talisman and captain and until the day he isn't I will support him end of.

That's not my point though. It's not about letting him rot in the reserves or sell him to the highest bidder come January 1st. I'm simply saying that even though Gerrard is easily the best player we've had (whose career started post 1990). That should however not be the reason to keep, or not sign other players in his position. And barring maybe Dalglish we should be aiming to achieve better than the previous. Aquilani might not be a better player, he may have wanted to leave, he may have been the biggest c*nt in English football since Wimbledon's crazy gang. But I will never sign off on the logic that it was because we had Gerrard.

I brought up Agger, because he has the reputation of being made of glass and pointed out the simple fact that over the past year he has played more games than Gerrard. I then made another point, which I feel is a legitamte one that despite his 14 years with the club, it's extremely difficult to lead by example from the stands. Carragher and Reina have been the de facto captain and vice-captain for the past calendar year and it's a matter of concern. And personally I feel that, despite him being the club's talisman to the outside world, the one you pick for every photoshoot to represent the club and such, in terms of performance, reliability, leading by example, working hard there are others worthy of captaincy. That's not slating Gerrard or what he stands for and what he has achieved it's simply an observation of, relatively, realistic expectations and practicality. Because at the end of the day, all the medals, moments of brilliance and priceless memories mean fuck all when we are a goal down and the captain is watching from teh stands.

[xman2007]

That's not my point though. It's not about letting him rot in the reserves or sell him to the highest bidder come January 1st. I'm simply saying that even though Gerrard is easily the best player we've had (whose career started post 1990). That should however not be the reason to keep, or not sign other players in his position. And barring maybe Dalglish we should be aiming to achieve better than the previous. Aquilani might not be a better player, he may have wanted to leave, he may have been the biggest c*nt in English football since Wimbledon's crazy gang. But I will never sign off on the logic that it was because we had Gerrard.

I brought up Agger, because he has the reputation of being made of glass and pointed out the simple fact that over the past year he has played more games than Gerrard. I then made another point, which I feel is a legitamte one that despite his 14 years with the club, it's extremely difficult to lead by example from the stands. Carragher and Reina have been the de facto captain and vice-captain for the past calendar year and it's a matter of concern. And personally I feel that, despite him being the club's talisman to the outside world, the one you pick for every photoshoot to represent the club and such, in terms of performance, reliability, leading by example, working hard there are others worthy of captaincy. That's not slating Gerrard or what he stands for and what he has achieved it's simply an observation of, relatively, realistic expectations and practicality. Because at the end of the day, all the medals, moments of brilliance and priceless memories mean fuck all when we are a goal down and the captain is watching from teh stands.

I still think at 31 he is the best player by a country mile for the roaming, attacking MF position he plays in, though this recent spate of injuries is a concern and he needs to stay fit,otherwise combine that with his age and it won't be a case of if he is fit he will walk into the team, it will be more a case of, we had a good run but it's time to move on.

He is still my No1 pick for captain because of his attitude, workrate and standing amongst other things, though fitness is the key as I said, heres hoping we get another 2 good seasons out of him cause even at 31 he should be well capable of that, hell look at the scum without the likes of Giggs and Scholes, and they were well past 31 though still 2 of their best and most influential players over the last few years.

[TSC]

I'll bet you he doesn't play again until the new year.

I think everyone on here should take this bet for say £10.  Individually we'd all face a potential £10 loss.  However you'd be brickin it up until end Dec re your potential exposure.  Could be an expensive Xmas.  We could afford to pay SG to hobble on for a cameo

[Fluke]

Mate I do understand your comments to a point but I do think in all areas of being a footballer; Gerrard at his peak was possibly the best midfielder in Europe and the way you put your argument forward was that Aquilani was in some form or other betterthan him in some depts; which I think he's not - nor ever will be. But let's not fall out.

100% agree mate. But I'm purely talking about at present, and Gerrard hasn't been at his best for awhile. Look forward to seeing him hit those heights again though once he comes back from this latest injury!

Edit: To be fair, I was only responding to one post which said he was better in every way, and I tried to point out that I didn't believe that to be true (at present ie recent form). I also had no intention of continuing but was baited into it...

[Dizzyfinn]

Let him go. If he comes back to you, let your heart sing one last time

[CHOPPER]

If true, it  breaks my heart as much as it  breaks my silence.

[AriGold]

If true, it  breaks my heart as much as it  breaks my silence.

If what is true?!

[El Denzel Pepito]

If true, it  breaks my heart as much as it  breaks my silence.

What?

[andspecks]

If true, it  breaks my heart as much as it  breaks my silence.

If what's true...

[Discipline]

Let him go. If he comes back to you, let your heart sing one last time

 

[MiserableP15]

I'll bet you he doesn't play again until the new year.

This is a genuine, genuine concern. I would go further to repeat what I said before his aborted comeback and that I don't think we'll ever see him regularly again. I hope to fuck that I am completely and utterly wrong.

[stevieG786]

If true, it  breaks my heart as much as it  breaks my silence.

If whats true?!?!??!!!

[Sir Harvest Fields]

I assume its the following line to the line from a song posted previously.

[stjohns]

We all know Stevie's injury history mainly brought about, IMHO, by him being allowed to charge around the pitch recklessly in his formative years. But these infections are a different matter. To have two of them so close together indicates that there may be an underlying medical problem. I know I've got my pessimistic head on
but it 's a real concern.

[liverbnz]

We all know Stevie's injury history mainly brought about, IMHO, by him being allowed to charge around the pitch recklessly in his formative years. But these infections are a different matter. To have two of them so close together indicates that there may be an underlying medical problem. I know I've got my pessimistic head on
but it 's a real concern.

Has he had 2 infections?

[NOTBORNIN1982]

We all know Stevie's injury history mainly brought about, IMHO, by him being allowed to charge around the pitch recklessly in his formative years. But these infections are a different matter. To have two of them so close together indicates that there may be an underlying medical problem. I know I've got my pessimistic head on
but it 's a real concern.

That's what made him so amazing! His injuries are unrelated entirely, ankle and thigh are not connected as far as I am aware. Are injuries even on the same leg?

[sattapaartridge]

Has he had 2 infections?

yes, first infection was at his groin, the next one is in his calf.

[NOTBORNIN1982]

yes, first infection was at his groin, the next one is in his calf.

I thought it was groin and ankle?

[marksmithlfc]

let's just hope gerrard will be back and to his best also , we still need him, just imagine him and suarez for at least the next 2 season's bombarding defences if he come's back that is .....praying he does !!