Topic: Never mind 'Stop the Boats' - STOP THE TORIES

[filopastry]

The list was leaked a while ago as literally being a shitlist that the Tory Whips had on their MPs to keep them in line.

[Kenny's Jacket]

Oh… he’s addressed this in the past I think.
Funny, all those marked as dodgy are in fact ….dodgy

Oh has he, I was thinking TRIP could be interesting next week, but sigh, its old news

[west_london_red]

Guy Copperfeel

John Wittingdale wanting odd sexual acts. Reminds me of the time in The Thick of It when Malcolm Tucker and Stewart Pearson argue over these things being carried out by their parties MP’s.

Judging by the standards of the current Tory Party they were probably underplaying the levels of fucked up things MPs were getting up to in the Thick of It.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

One thing I honestly don't get is Sunak boasting about how fantastic everything is under the Tories and how they have improved everything and how everything was shite under Labour.

Who is he actually trying to convince? Anyone that needs any service or has to use anything in the UK knows how fucked it all is.

What is his actual aim? Who is he talking to? The Tories are all sitting there nodding at how wonderful the country is now and how everything is much better than it's ever been.

Are they fucking deranged?

[Jiminy Cricket]

Rory Stewart -who knew 

??

asked Sophie Boslover to do 'odd' things

Oh… he’s addressed this in the past I think.
Funny, all those marked as dodgy are in fact ….dodgy

https://www.rorystewart.co.uk/rory-stewart-responds-to-westminster-dossier-allegation/
RORY RESPONDS TO WESTMINSTER DOSSIER ALLEGATIONS
01/11/2017

I have been horrified to find that someone has inserted my name into a fake list or spreadsheet, that claims to be about MP harassment. This list has then been emailed around and shared on twitter, without any attempt to check whether it was true. I have no idea where this list originally came from, who compiled it, or why someone put my name on it. It is, for the record, completely untrue and deeply hurtful.

This list linked my name to Sophie Bolsover, who was my researcher in Westminster. She has also issued a statement, here:

‘While I recognise the seriousness of the allegations of inappropriate sexual behaviour, sexual harassment and worse, I wish to emphasise that nothing of the kind implied by my name being included on this spreadsheet ever took place. During my time working in Parliament, Rory Stewart was never anything other than completely professional and an excellent employer. Moreover the inclusion of my name on this list, by parties unknown to me and without my permission, has caused deep distress and anxiety.’

You can imagine the pain and embarrassment such lies cause also for me and my family.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

He has never not had smoke blown up his arse, he's fucking deluded.

The Tory c*nts really have fucked us all this time around.

[Bobsackamano]

Yeah that's the Tory whips hoping to have something on Rory Stewart, an honest man probably makes them very uncomfortable. You can't control someone who's honest in the same way as the depraved and corrupt ones.

[RedDeadRejection]

Hate that I have time for Rory Stewart but as Tories go he at least isn't super evil/completely incompetent. Which is why he failed as an mp

[TSC]

Hate that I have time for Rory Stewart but as Tories go he at least isn't super evil/completely incompetent. Which is why he failed as an mp

One of the purged for not bending the knee to Cummings & de Pfeffel

[stewil007]

Hate that I have time for Rory Stewart but as Tories go he at least isn't super evil/completely incompetent. Which is why he failed as an mp

even listening to 'The Rest is Politics' you can still hear the Tory in some of his ramblings and, i'm not sure if its just to be a foil to Alister Campbell very anti-Tory rhetoric, but he defends -in some circumstances - the last 14 years of Tory rule.

[CornerFlag]

Hate that I have time for Rory Stewart but as Tories go he at least isn't super evil/completely incompetent. Which is why he failed as an mp

Same for me but with Sayeeda Warsi as well.  For a Tory I have time to listen to her.  I even have some time to listen to a David Cameron or a Theresa May to a degree too.  Might not agree with them, may infuriate me too, but I'll listen.

[stewil007]

Same for me but with Sayeeda Warsi as well.  For a Tory I have time to listen to her.  I even have some time to listen to a David Cameron or a Theresa May to a degree too.  Might not agree with them, may infuriate me too, but I'll listen.

In the kindest way, Cameron and May can get in the fucking bin - Brexit and the hostile environment are down to those two

[killer-heels]

Same for me but with Sayeeda Warsi as well.  For a Tory I have time to listen to her.  I even have some time to listen to a David Cameron or a Theresa May to a degree too.  Might not agree with them, may infuriate me too, but I'll listen.

No way. Cameron is the architect of all this shiteness. Him and Osbourne fucked this country into a bigger coma than what May, Truss, Bozo and Sunak did, combined.

[west_london_red]

Same for me but with Sayeeda Warsi as well.  For a Tory I have time to listen to her.  I even have some time to listen to a David Cameron or a Theresa May to a degree too.  Might not agree with them, may infuriate me too, but I'll listen.

Sayeeda Warsi is the absolute worst, has little to say unless it relates to anti-Muslim hate in the Tory party and their dog whistle racism but inexplicably stays in the Tory party.

[TepidT2O]

Lazy, scroungers, benefit cheaters. The demonisation of the poor and unfortunate

That was the early 2010s

And sunak is playing their greatest hits again.stopping gps giving sick notes (will never happen by the way).  If anyone could actually get health treatment it might help you utter fraud.

Disgusting

[BarryCrocker]

Lazy, scroungers, benefit cheaters. The demonisation of the poor and unfortunate

That was the early 2010s

And sunak is playing their greatest hits again.stopping gps giving sick notes (will never happen by the way).  If anyone could actually get health treatment it might help you utter fraud.

Disgusting

They'll commercialise 'sick notes'. Something along the lines of £20 each, therefore forcing the 'working poor' to keep rocking up to work (often hard and physical labour).

[KissThisGuy]

They'll commercialise 'sick notes'. Something along the lines of £20 each, therefore forcing the 'working poor' to keep rocking up to work (often hard and physical labour).

What is his argument? That Doctors are handing out sick notes too readily?

If so, how the fuck would he know? Is he qualified to give medical opinions?

I only saw the newspaper headlines on breakfast TV this morning, so I'm in the dark on what his actually saying.

[filopastry]

What is his argument? That Doctors are handing out sick notes too readily?

If so, how the fuck would he know? Is he qualified to give medical opinions?

I only saw the newspaper headlines on breakfast TV this morning, so I'm in the dark on what his actually saying.

Yes leave it to other people, probably people who will be financially incentivised to see lots of people but not to issue sick notes.

I mean this is where we are now in the dying days of this govt, issuing populist pronouncements and hoping something sticks.

The sad thing is there is clearly a big issue with growing numbers out of work for long term medical issues, but this on the surface looks more about the usual attempt to cut the benefit bill than to address what is going on there.

[RedDeadRejection]

No way. Cameron is the architect of all this shiteness. Him and Osbourne fucked this country into a bigger coma than what May, Truss, Bozo and Sunak did, combined.

Yes. Read The Decade in Tory by Russell Jones and it shows Cameron for who he really is. Fully recommended

[LuverlyRita]

What is his argument? That Doctors are handing out sick notes too readily?

If so, how the fuck would he know? Is he qualified to give medical opinions?

I only saw the newspaper headlines on breakfast TV this morning, so I'm in the dark on what his actually saying.

Didn't the DWP outsource investigations into "fitness to work" that resulted in the benefits of severely disabled people being cut?

As for qualified medical opinions - perhaps they'll get the Physician Associates (2 year conversion course on top of any old degree) to deal with it given that the same people are popping up in place of properly trained GPs?

[killer-heels]

Truss was crying over the impact her short premiership had on her daughters. Nice to see that my hate mail got through.

[Red Beret]

Cameron foresaw a time where a UKIP style party could split the Tory vote and keep them out of office indefinitely. He gambled the future of this country to try and marginalize such a group and hold his party together.

He lost. Both.

He's a cnut.

[thaddeus]

Lazy, scroungers, benefit cheaters. The demonisation of the poor and unfortunate

That was the early 2010s

And sunak is playing their greatest hits again.stopping gps giving sick notes (will never happen by the way).  If anyone could actually get health treatment it might help you utter fraud.

Disgusting

It's a shame he didn't go into a bit more detail about why the £69bn/year welfare cost is forecast to rise by more than 50% over the next four years.  Removing all benefits after 12 months is a good headline grabber but completely impractical.  I guess Sunak is at the stage now that he can just spout off any old rubbish as it's a damage limitation exercise and provides some ammunition for a future Tory party in opposition.

[gazzalfc]

Didn't the DWP outsource investigations into "fitness to work" that resulted in the benefits of severely disabled people being cut?

Yep and they will be sure to do the same here. With commissions and bonus payments to force people into work

He wont get it out to tender before a general election but it will be popular with tory/reform voters so lets see if it moves the needle? I doubt it

[Libertine]

even listening to 'The Rest is Politics' you can still hear the Tory in some of his ramblings and, i'm not sure if its just to be a foil to Alister Campbell very anti-Tory rhetoric, but he defends -in some circumstances - the last 14 years of Tory rule.

Well, he is a Tory (even if not a current party member). I find him infuriating at times, but it's a far more interesting listen with diverging views than just having two people saying the same thing all the time.

Truss was crying over the impact her short premiership had on her daughters. Nice to see that my hate mail got through.

 

[Sammy5IsAlive]

Yep and they will be sure to do the same here.

He wont get it out to tender before a general election but it will be popular with tory/reform voters so lets see if it moves the needle? I doubt it

I sometimes put on a hazmat suit and dive into the Daily Mail comments to try and see how their readers are reacting to stuff like this. Today's news was interesting from this perspective. The story was originally posted in the early morning and the overall opinion was pretty negative. They then seem to have reposted the story with a few minor changes and a different byline and you have a fresh set of more typical 'Daily Mail' comments complaining about shirkers and/or how he should be concentrating on taking benefits away from immigrants.

It does make you wonder how much astro-turfing goes on both in terms of the comments and the voting and also how complicit the DM is with this.

I suspect that in the wake of a global pandemic and the consequent long periods of lockdown, uncertainty and economic turmoil there may well be more of a "there but for the grace of god go I" attitude towards benefit claimants from traditional "middle-england" Tory voters. Indeed there may well be plenty of those voters within the rise in the numbers of people off long-term sick.

It's all rhetoric really anyway given that both the benefits system and most medium to large employers have health capability assessments independent of people's GPs.

[CornerFlag]

In the kindest way, Cameron and May can get in the fucking bin - Brexit and the hostile environment are down to those two

No way. Cameron is the architect of all this shiteness. Him and Osbourne fucked this country into a bigger coma than what May, Truss, Bozo and Sunak did, combined.

Sayeeda Warsi is the absolute worst, has little to say unless it relates to anti-Muslim hate in the Tory party and their dog whistle racism but inexplicably stays in the Tory party.

Fair enough!

I was simply going off that I can not immediately turn the TV off when I hear from them.  100% not even remotely ideologically close to them, btw, just really really wanted to make that fucking clear!

[killer-heels]

Fair enough!

I was simply going off that I can not immediately turn the TV off when I hear from them.  100% not even remotely ideologically close to them, btw, just really really wanted to make that fucking clear!

I think it just illustrates that whilst the Tories are rife with nutters, that just because they appear to string a sentence together or believe in the world order and institutions, doesnt mean that they shouldnt be considered any better.

That Coalition government did so much damage to the country and effectively everything, including Brexit, starts from that point.

[west_london_red]

Cameron foresaw a time where a UKIP style party could split the Tory vote and keep them out of office indefinitely. He gambled the future of this country to try and marginalize such a group and hold his party together.

He lost. Both.

He's a cnut.

Yup if ever there was a case of party before country, the decision to hold the Brexit referendum was it.

[TSC]

Yep and they will be sure to do the same here. With commissions and bonus payments to force people into work

He wont get it out to tender before a general election but it will be popular with tory/reform voters so lets see if it moves the needle? I doubt it

Over the last few months they’ve advertised for and recruited ‘assessors’.  I’d a look at the job description and person spec a few months ago for said positions.  Little to zip requirement to have relevant experience.  Just academic criteria, ie GCSE’s and working knowledge of working with Microsoft packages, eg word and excel.

Such folk will decide on benefit eligibility.

Same as happened years ago under the Tories during ‘austerity’ which ended up costing more as I recall, as so many successfully challenged decisions.  Of course it’s outsourced to the private sector again.

https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/dwp-assessment-contracts-will-see-another-2-billion-handed-to-outsourcing-giants/

[TSC]

How not to present your new book

https://www.thepoke.com/2024/04/16/liz-truss-taking-3-attempts-to-hold-up-her-book-the-right-way-for-fox-news-is-the-most-on-brand-truss-thing-ever/

[filopastry]

The Times story today confirming that the Tories were aware of the Mark Menzies situation for over 3 months while appearing to do bugger all about it.

Apparently they considered it fraud but thought they could get away with not reporting to the police as it was donor funds misused rather than party funds.

[Butcher Knife Roberto]

In a past life I've worked with a large number of people who have been on long term sick, helping them slowly but surely get back on their feet. The vast majority of them want to more than anything, but it takes time, effort on both sides and often a lot of courage. I'm proud of those who have found their own way and are on a road to recovery, and hope that those still on their journey don't give up in the face of crushing adversity.

I'd also love the chance to talk Sunak through the multitude of challenges that people face - me being actually qualified to talk about these things unlike Jug Ears - but I think I'd be too distracted by punching the fucking wall in frustration at his complete and utter stupidity and ignorance. Quite how anyone can vote for this utter, total and complete scum is beyond my comprehension. It makes my fucking blood boil.

[Elmo!]

The Times story today confirming that the Tories were aware of the Mark Menzies situation for over 3 months while appearing to do bugger all about it.

Apparently they considered it fraud but thought they could get away with not reporting to the police as it was donor funds misused rather than party funds.

It's funny they didn't take the same view on the Murrell/Sturgeon/SNP situation.

[Red-Soldier]

In a past life I've worked with a large number of people who have been on long term sick, helping them slowly but surely get back on their feet. The vast majority of them want to more than anything, but it takes time, effort on both sides and often a lot of courage. I'm proud of those who have found their own way and are on a road to recovery, and hope that those still on their journey don't give up in the face of crushing adversity.

I'd also love the chance to talk Sunak through the multitude of challenges that people face - me being actually qualified to talk about these things unlike Jug Ears - but I think I'd be too distracted by punching the fucking wall in frustration at his complete and utter stupidity and ignorance. Quite how anyone can vote for this utter, total and complete scum is beyond my comprehension. It makes my fucking blood boil.

I've been long-term sick in the past, but got myself back on track, retrained etc.  And you're right, I never stopped wanting to go back to work.

[RedDeadRejection]

In a past life I've worked with a large number of people who have been on long term sick, helping them slowly but surely get back on their feet. The vast majority of them want to more than anything, but it takes time, effort on both sides and often a lot of courage. I'm proud of those who have found their own way and are on a road to recovery, and hope that those still on their journey don't give up in the face of crushing adversity.

I'd also love the chance to talk Sunak through the multitude of challenges that people face - me being actually qualified to talk about these things unlike Jug Ears - but I think I'd be too distracted by punching the fucking wall in frustration at his complete and utter stupidity and ignorance. Quite how anyone can vote for this utter, total and complete scum is beyond my comprehension. It makes my fucking blood boil.

The electorate are easily led into voting against their best interests unfortunately. I try to blame the system and it's players as I'd go insane

[west_london_red]

The electorate are easily led into voting against their best interests unfortunately. I try to blame the system and it's players as I'd go insane

The reason why this stuff resonates with so many people is that a lot of people don’t enjoy working, they work difficult jobs for low pay while the cost of everything goes up and then you have a media and government making out like everyone on benefits lives the life of Riley. If your in the first situation and you believe the second to be true that’s going to create resentment and the government know that and cultivate it.

[TSC]

Sky news reporting Cameron, Truss and Johnson on Twitter tonight waffling about the US approval of funding for Ukraine.  The shameless trio will look to be taking credit for the decision no doubt.

For some light entertainment value, Truss is on Trevor Phillips (sky news) from 0830 this morn.

[Red Ol]

For some light entertainment value, Truss is on Trevor Phillips (sky news) from 0830 this morn.

Blimey. She’s an absolute incompetent joke of a politician with zero credibility. She has deranged fantasists ideas and was proven to be a disastrous leader. She’s hilariously bad but has no self awareness and no clue about how a country and an economy should be run. Why the fuck is she being given any airtime whatsoever? For whose benefit is this (apart from the comedic value for all of us of course)?

[BarryCrocker]

For some light entertainment value, Truss is on Trevor Phillips (sky news) from 0830 this morn.

https://twitter.com/MollyJongFast/status/1780215571327451265?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1780215571327451265%7Ctwgr%5Ee1c78de1337c84287088abea8aa71a321bdf21b9%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.huffingtonpost.co.uk%2Fentry%2Fliz-truss-creates-a-meme-for-the-ages-on-fox-news_uk_661f912ae4b0256906b6eb05