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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #6961 on: January 6, 2011, 12:59:06 pm »
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Up to date how close is that
The Marcus North All-Stars never even had a chance.

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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #6962 on: January 6, 2011, 01:00:58 pm »
;D You watch your mouth when talking about my city.


Will it be a wrench to leave the place (Phil lives in Sydney doesn't he?)?

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« Reply #6963 on: January 6, 2011, 01:02:05 pm »
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Up to date how close is that

A day early to get to the top spot!

Not overly optimistic about clinging on, but really pleased to have clawed my way back and actually get top spot, even if it is just for one day. 
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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #6964 on: January 6, 2011, 01:04:46 pm »
The Marcus North All-Stars never even had a chance.

Fuckin Paul Collingwood, NEVER PUT GINGERS IN YOUR TEAM !!!!
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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #6965 on: January 6, 2011, 01:06:08 pm »
Just checked my team and I still have Ryan Harris in there. And Steve Smith. I deserve everything I get! I also have nearly every England batsman bar Cook. Gah!

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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #6966 on: January 6, 2011, 01:21:07 pm »
Will it be a wrench to leave the place (Phil lives in Sydney doesn't he?)?
We're trying to find somewhere in between. You know, real romantic like.

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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #6967 on: January 6, 2011, 01:22:51 pm »
Fuckin Paul Collingwood, NEVER PUT GINGERS IN YOUR TEAM !!!!
I only just recently changed to Watson. I really thought Collingwood was going to have a good series and that Cook was going to be shithouse. I am nickstradamus.

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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #6968 on: January 6, 2011, 01:30:19 pm »
Well, getting in my congratulations ahead of time - well done England. Your XI is a credit to your nation, as are the travelling fans, the Barmy Army.

At the start of the series I thought both pace attacks were roughly level in ability - boy was I wrong. The English pacemen have totally outbowled our men, a few sessions aside. I actually thought the difference between the two sides would be Swann, but his series has only been fair given he's in the top 2 spinners in world cricket at the moment.

The performance of the English quicks is ominous from my perspective, because they had players who would probably counted as journeymen come in after injury to a frontline player and then started bowling like all-world players. Tremlett for example. Bresnan also has performed exceptionally in the last two tests. The English clearly have a system now that enables any of there bowlers to bowl well in Australian conditions. There are not many batsmen in world cricket who could cope with some of the spells dished out by Anderson and Tremlett in this series.

As for our bowlers, we are a long way from Glenn McGrath and have fallen a long way compared to other attacks from other nations - effectively we now have 3 first change bowlers, without a genuine opening bowler among them. I'm watching Anderson swing it sideways, Dale Steyn doing similar but 15 km an hour quicker over in South Africa; even the Indians, a country not noted for their pace attack through history, have a better pace attack than us at the moment. The Barmy Army have it spot on with their assessment of Mitch Johnson.

Our batting has been pitiful, by and large - just way too injudicious in shot selection with only Hussey, and maybe Haddin matching up to the English players in that department. There is hope there though - we are not short of batsmen coming through the ranks in Shield cricket.

This series has been probably the worst series in Australia I can remember, probably since the Windies in 88/89 in terms of the Australian performance. At least back then we had some hope in the fact we were gradually overcoming some of the ructions (World Series Cricket, the rebel South African tour etc) that had affected our cricket in the previous decade or so - and it was clear we were building something with our squad then after coming off the amazing World Cup win in 1987.

This current lot certainly has some promise in the batting department, but our bowling is just awful right now. Also notable is the fact a lot of the players come from NSW - it's clear in this country if you are a youngster who comes from WA, SA or Victoria and have some athletic/sporting ability you'll find yourself heavily scouted by the various Australian Football League clubs to play Aussie Rules. That's a fact of life Australian cricket will have to get used to. The current test squad is certainly laden with NSWelshmen, without having an actual NSW selector from the national selection panel who has picked those players.

Anyway - England were/are too good. Cook will rightfully win man of the series and this team will go down as one of the most successful Ashes teams from England in history.
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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #6969 on: January 6, 2011, 01:34:29 pm »
Obviously we can't go, but for nicholasanthony and DK the thrill of this invite will be a treasure not to be ignored, and they can lead 'He bowls to the left .........'

And I'm a little to the West. Then to the North a bit.

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« Reply #6970 on: January 6, 2011, 01:36:29 pm »
And I'm a little to the West. Then to the North a bit.

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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #6971 on: January 6, 2011, 01:38:10 pm »
A day early to get to the top spot!

Not overly optimistic about clinging on, but really pleased to have clawed my way back and actually get top spot, even if it is just for one day. 
Well done Nick lad! Gutted I am :(
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« Reply #6972 on: January 6, 2011, 01:38:42 pm »
Then be glad Johnson's not getting another bowl. You're safe.
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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #6973 on: January 6, 2011, 01:40:07 pm »
How's it going over there, DK? Copping a lot of stick?
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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #6974 on: January 6, 2011, 01:41:21 pm »
Very fair assessment mate – I’ve also been surprised with how well Tremlett and Bresnan in particular have performed. As 5th benitle (I think) mentioned this whole tour has been exceptionally well planned and huge credit must go to Flower and all the behind the scenes team who have planned and organized it all.

It’s an interesting point on youngsters being scouted heavily for AFL in WA, SA and Victoria. I guess if they think they are good enough to have a professional career in sport then it would be more sensible to go down the AFL route. How many professional cricketers are there in the country? Just those playing at state level or is there any pros playing at the grade below? And also, how many players in an AFL team/squad? Say you came from Melbourne and had a choice between AFL or cricket – purely guessing but there must be 300 or so pro Aussie Rules players (about 8-10 teams there right?) and only 20-30 pro cricketers. It seems like a ‘safer’ career move to choose AFL. How do salaries compare between your average AFL player and your average state (not international) cricketer?

Do you think the production line will dry up further as a result?

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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #6975 on: January 6, 2011, 01:43:01 pm »
Loved watching Swann smash Johnson around. One thing though, how the fuck has he managed to take as many wickets as he has in this series?

Also, if anyone can help, I was having a look at the ODI squad - who on earth is Chris Woakes?

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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #6976 on: January 6, 2011, 01:46:50 pm »
ah i love this england team, go to sleep with watson run out and wake up with 3 left to go
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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #6977 on: January 6, 2011, 01:47:17 pm »
Well done Nick lad! Gutted I am :(

It's not over yet. As I said, not sure I will be able to cling on.
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« Reply #6978 on: January 6, 2011, 01:48:09 pm »
It's not over yet. As I said, not sure I will be able to cling on.
I need Swanny to get a hat trick for any sort of chance :(
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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #6979 on: January 6, 2011, 02:10:13 pm »
A perfect summary. I totally agree that I thought our pace bowling would be about the same but its been miles and miles apart. Totally agree that we lack that spearhead strike bowler too.

Maybe those other states do have their young players scouted early but I think NSW just do a better job of giving young players a chance. Victoria have been the best state side for the last 3-4 years but look at the team. Hodge, Hussey, Harewood, Wright, Nannes, McDonald, Rogers. All too old to ever play for Australia but they are fixtures of the team because it seems that we as a state are focused on winning. Its partly why we produce so few spinners. Captains are too frightened of having them go for runs and losing games, how are you meant to develop when the only spinners played are tight Doherty's and Haurtiz's. Doesn't bode well for young vics coming through.

Somedays I sit and watch a state game and am just sickened by seeing the same old names floating from state to state instead of giving a young bloke a chance. But I do believe the young players are there.

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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #6980 on: January 6, 2011, 02:14:26 pm »
I need Swanny to get a hat trick for any sort of chance :(

Do the figures include Australia's innings so far, or is it just to the end of our innings? I have never been able to fathom how it works!
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« Reply #6981 on: January 6, 2011, 02:15:50 pm »
Do the figures include Australia's innings so far, or is it just to the end of our innings? I have never been able to fathom how it works!
After every innings mate, but i've no Aussie's worth a wank in my team
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« Reply #6982 on: January 6, 2011, 02:26:16 pm »
How's it going over there, DK? Copping a lot of stick?

The usual texts from people who only ever text around Ashes time or from people who normally admit they hate cricket because it's boring!  So the norm really ;)  Nah, it's been ok.  We had our time in the sun and I am sure some of the Aussies here at the time were cocks about it, so there may be some payback going on (even though I was never like that).  It's all fun and games and nothing lasts forever so I have noted who the cocky pricks are ;)  On the whole it has been fine - it just took them a long time to relax and realise they were going to win this comfortably!

Also, if anyone can help, I was having a look at the ODI squad - who on earth is Chris Woakes?

Cousin of Nathan Woakes, who is a good friend of mine - I know that doesn't help!  But he's been on the fringes of the England side for a little while now and has always been in the England youth teams.  A very promising bowler (not lightning quick but awkward to play) and also very handy with the bat.  Has been a strong player for Warks for a little while now.

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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #6983 on: January 6, 2011, 02:26:45 pm »
After every innings mate, but i've no Aussie's worth a wank in my team

In that case I have definitely 'peaked' too soon. Oh well.
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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #6985 on: January 6, 2011, 02:42:40 pm »
Very fair assessment mate – I’ve also been surprised with how well Tremlett and Bresnan in particular have performed. As 5th benitle (I think) mentioned this whole tour has been exceptionally well planned and huge credit must go to Flower and all the behind the scenes team who have planned and organized it all.

It’s an interesting point on youngsters being scouted heavily for AFL in WA, SA and Victoria. I guess if they think they are good enough to have a professional career in sport then it would be more sensible to go down the AFL route. How many professional cricketers are there in the country? Just those playing at state level or is there any pros playing at the grade below? And also, how many players in an AFL team/squad? Say you came from Melbourne and had a choice between AFL or cricket – purely guessing but there must be 300 or so pro Aussie Rules players (about 8-10 teams there right?) and only 20-30 pro cricketers. It seems like a ‘safer’ career move to choose AFL. How do salaries compare between your average AFL player and your average state (not international) cricketer?

Do you think the production line will dry up further as a result?

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Actually at the top level of the game, and probably just below it, cricketers make more money, but cricketers take longer to develop. The AFL identifies players in their mid-teens and pushes them toward the game. By the time a player is 17 he will know whether he will have an AFL career or not. The players are drafted and start playing AFL when they are 18 years of age. It's the guarantee of a paid sporting career at that young age that is the reason why potential cricketers are being lost to the AFL. The number of players in history that have played test cricket at the age of 18 you can probably count on the fingers of two hands - but in AFL that's the standard starting age for any player coming into the game. Granted, some of those players are "blooded" in a reserves style situation, but the fact of the matter is they have a guaranteed career in the game at a young age - something cricket in this country can't offer. The number of awesomely talented ex-junior cricketers playing for nothing in cricket leagues around the country is a big one.

Of course, another factor is that if you aspire to play cricket at the top level, you hope to play for the Australian XI. Only 11 players can do that at any one time and most of the time when you get in there you are pretty hard to dislodge. There aren't many vacancies at the top level. If you hope to play at the top level in AFL, there are many, many more potential opportunities to do so compared to cricket.

As for the production line - yes I think it will dry up even more than what it has, especially given there are two new AFL clubs coming into the league in the next two seasons, both of whom have a lot of money to throw around, and who have done so already poaching some very, very talented youngsters at the under 16 level in recent years.
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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #6986 on: January 6, 2011, 03:04:34 pm »
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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #6988 on: January 6, 2011, 03:07:29 pm »
A perfect summary. I totally agree that I thought our pace bowling would be about the same but its been miles and miles apart. Totally agree that we lack that spearhead strike bowler too.

Maybe those other states do have their young players scouted early but I think NSW just do a better job of giving young players a chance. Victoria have been the best state side for the last 3-4 years but look at the team. Hodge, Hussey, Harewood, Wright, Nannes, McDonald, Rogers. All too old to ever play for Australia but they are fixtures of the team because it seems that we as a state are focused on winning. Its partly why we produce so few spinners. Captains are too frightened of having them go for runs and losing games, how are you meant to develop when the only spinners played are tight Doherty's and Haurtiz's. Doesn't bode well for young vics coming through.

Somedays I sit and watch a state game and am just sickened by seeing the same old names floating from state to state instead of giving a young bloke a chance. But I do believe the young players are there.

Yep, fair post - though I have heard arguments to the opposite from Geoff Lawson for example, who thinks young players who are "shielded" through into a state side as he says happens these days, are not exposed to the hard grind of playing against tough, seasoned players. He also reckons that Australia, in its golden era, had very few youngish players, but rather players who developed their skill against seasoned players at grade level and earned their place in state sides on merit. For example, the Waugh era players that came through, the Waughs, Mark Taylor, Slats etc.

Apparently they are identifying players with potential and trying to push them through into state squads, maybe in response to what is happening in other sports and the loss of potential talent from cricket, and now this trend has gone to the test side, and Lawson reckons it's doing a disservice to the players who have won their way through on merit. You only have to see what's happened this series with our spinners - Doherty has barely played a state 4 day game and all of a sudden he's in the test side. Frosty Beer is the same. I think they have a hit on their hands with Uzzy Kuwaja, but he's been scoring runs at every level they've put him at - he's in the side on merit.

Lawson also thinks that there are too many players in the test squad who are not playing 4 day state cricket in their down time - it's affecting the quality of play at that level and also keeping the test players away from the grind of playing quality cricket. That's actually true and its a shame because Australia has one of the best domestic leagues in the world, if not the best.
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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #6989 on: January 6, 2011, 03:13:40 pm »
Lawson also thinks that there are too many players in the test squad who are not playing 4 day state cricket in their down time - it's affecting the quality of play at that level and also keeping the test players away from the grind of playing quality cricket. That's actually true and its a shame because Australia has one of the best domestic leagues in the world, if not the best.

I think that’s the case in England more and more these days as well. This Test squad will play 1 or 2 first class games for their county at the start of the season (if that) and then that’s about it. I was idly browsing cricinfo the other day and now can’t remember the exact figures but Cook has scored just over half his first class runs in Test cricket (ie. More for England than he has for Essex). Surely that must be a fairly modern phenomenon?

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« Reply #6990 on: January 6, 2011, 03:21:41 pm »
I think that’s the case in England more and more these days as well. This Test squad will play 1 or 2 first class games for their county at the start of the season (if that) and then that’s about it. I was idly browsing cricinfo the other day and now can’t remember the exact figures but Cook has scored just over half his first class runs in Test cricket (ie. More for England than he has for Essex). Surely that must be a fairly modern phenomenon?

Yeah, probably given the high volume of cricket international players play, but still, players were playing a lot of cricket a decade ago but that didn't stop any of our then test squad playing for their states whenever they were available. When Mitch Johnson was dropped for the Adelaide test they kept him away from playing for QLD, which is a big of a joke, really.
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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #6991 on: January 6, 2011, 03:23:05 pm »
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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #6992 on: January 6, 2011, 03:32:24 pm »
Yeah, probably given the high volume of cricket international players play, but still, players were playing a lot of cricket a decade ago but that didn't stop any of our then test squad playing for their states whenever they were available. When Mitch Johnson was dropped for the Adelaide test they kept him away from playing for QLD, which is a big of a joke, really.

I agree that they should play more for their counties/states. But then last year Finn (I think it was Finn) was pulled out of county cricket to do some strength and conditioning work. He then started this series really strongly. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not but I guess ultimately domestic cricket should ben in place to support its national team.

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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #6993 on: January 6, 2011, 03:33:49 pm »
And I'm a little to the West. Then to the North a bit.

That actually sounds like Mitchell describing his own bowling.

And great analysis Dread Breath. I thought before the series began that the Aussies might not take Jimmy Anderson seriously. He suffered a bad two or three years (2006 was slap bang in the middle of it) when the England bowling coaches tried to modify his action - principally by getting him to keep his head up on delivery. His swing went completely, as did his line. But almost as soon as he reverted to his old action he started taking wickets again. Those of us who've seen him in the last couple of years knew he would pose a big threat down under. And so it has come to pass.
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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #6994 on: January 6, 2011, 03:34:36 pm »
I agree that they should play more for their counties/states. But then last year Finn (I think it was Finn) was pulled out of county cricket to do some strength and conditioning work. He then started this series really strongly. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not but I guess ultimately domestic cricket should ben in place to support its national team.

Thank God the same doesn't apply in football!

Fucking hell, imagine if countries could just take the players during the season when games were going on!
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« Reply #6995 on: January 6, 2011, 03:49:59 pm »
If I may join the autopsy on Australian cricket? There's a lot of talk about the state of Aussie domestic cricket. I'm wondering whether Australian cricketers have also suffered because they play less county cricket in England too? I don't know the stats on this, but it's an impression I have that there are fewer Aussies playing the county game with all its first-class fixtures than there used to be.

I'm pretty certain that one of the big reasons for the West Indian decline in the late 90s was that, after years and years of West Indian stars (and tyros) playing the county game, there were suddenly none. Promising West Indian cricketers started going straight into the Test team after a handful of games in the Shell Shield, and many were broken. But that's not the route that Richards, Greenidge, Roberts, Garner, Marshall, Lloyd, Gomes etc etc took. They were all attached to counties or played several seasons hard cricket in the northern leagues, getting used to English conditions, before they were unleashed at Test level. I know there were exceptions, like Patrick Patterson and Des Haynes, who burst onto the scene unknown. But even they became attached to counties eventually. Certainly when the Windies toured England in their pomp it wasn't rocket science to know they would do well. For years their batsmen and bowlers had been topping the 1st class averages and learning the game over here.   
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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #6996 on: January 6, 2011, 04:11:50 pm »
Yeah, you're probably right re: the Windies. Whatever was happening with those Windies players coming through they stopped doing it and the quality of players coming through obviously fell. I've heard other reasons put up for the Windies decline, a more outlandish one being that  they started screening the NBA live into the Caribbean and all the kids wanted to be Michael Jordan rather than Viv Richards. I think your reason is probably closer to the truth.

There's something not right in Australian cricket right now - we won't fall as far as the Windies have, but it will be some years before we are a force again at the top echelons of test cricket, and competing to be the best test XI in the world.
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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #6997 on: January 6, 2011, 04:23:16 pm »
That actually sounds like Mitchell describing his own bowling.

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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #6998 on: January 6, 2011, 05:45:48 pm »
Netting at Lords indoor schools this evening.

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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #6999 on: January 6, 2011, 06:38:47 pm »
Anyone ever been to the nets at the Oval? Looks like my uni practice there.