Topic: Draft Towers

[deFacto please, you bastards]

I'll do a Survivor Series one, either run it or take part.

Tried a few months back but nobody was interested

What?!

[Sheer Magnetism]

Didn't we do a Survivor Series draft last year? I'd be up for an 80's or 90's football draft or, going back to earlier ideas, a non-hit version of the mixtape draft or an all-time dinner party draft (fictional or non).

[tubby]

Is this more Big Daddy and Giant Haystacks Wrestling related or more The Undertaker and The Rock related.

It's open to all wrestlers from all eras.  Just pick a team of 5 and people vote on the best one.

[Elzar]

You lot are rubbish.

I'll start a thread for a Survivor Series draft and for a 90s football snake draft. Whichever fills up first goes first.

[Hazell]

It's open to all wrestlers from all eras.  Just pick a team of 5 and people vote on the best one.

Yeah but it's wrestling, it's for kids and thick people. Am I right RAWK?

[Sudden Death Draft Loser]

a non-hit version of the mixtape draft or an all-time dinner party draft (fictional or non).

I like these, however, how do you define a "non-hit"?

[Sheer Magnetism]

I like these, however, how do you define a "non-hit"?

Album track or non-charting single. Once someone picks something by one band it's gone. Happy to wait on this one as we have, what, three about to start right now?

[vivabobbygraham]

Lets get something going for the International break and a break from the elections

[mikey_LFC]

Lets get something going for the International break and a break from the elections

There is a 90s football draft sign up thread if you want in

[vivabobbygraham]

There is a 90s football draft sign up thread if you want in

Thanks mikey. in

[Linudden]

I've had the idea of making a draft coinciding with the ten-year anniversary of legendary game Football Manager 2010 (the FM that introduced 3D but retained simple menus) for an actual simulation of everyone's picks! My preferred destination would be the Scottish Premier League for three reasons - no bickering about who gets to be Liverpool, no issues with drafting players from other EPL clubs, as well as teams playing one another a LOT.

The idea would be including a simulation, likely of seven or eight seasons to ensure the best balance between those picking older and younger squads. Each player selected would sign a 10-year contract worth £3,000/week, which was the market rate in Scotland at the time, and with a clause that insisted they'll end their careers at that club, to ensure the manager in the game wouldn't be able to sell the player even if he went unhappy with his plight at playing for St. Mirren or Hamilton Academial at the peak of his career  Trust me, I'm the FM10 Editor expert. I'll fix it.

Just like a typical draft, the participating member has eleven picks. Free choice of any footballer in the world active in 2009.

The bottom team of the season before would have first dibs in each round to promote the league being closer. After all, Celtic and Rangers would retain their existing squads as bench players and have larger stadiums throughout, so them selecting last makes sense.

Draft order would be:

1. St. Johnstone
2. St. Mirren
3. Falkirk
4. Hamilton
5. Kilmarnock
6. Motherwell
7. Dundee Utd
8. Hibernian
9. Aberdeen
10. Hearts
11. Celtic
12. Rangers

I'd be open to three or four second-tier entries too if there was a greater interest, needless to say, those would draft at the very first. In fact, all the way down to Division Three would be possible would someone insist to follow in Just Fucking Robertson's footsteps to play as Queen's Park and find empty seats aesthetically appealing 

When the 90's draft was finished I'd be prepared to go. I'd post seasonal reviews and photos (my gaming computer is hopeless at taking in-game screens) of the final tables. Needless to say, I'd not manage my own team!!!

Fun idea everyone? Actual competitive element with the simulation part and an opportunity to see whether Messi could do it on a cold night in Motherwell? 

[deFacto please, you bastards]

I like the sound of that, more distraction at work

[Linudden]

I like the sound of that, more distraction at work

Great, thinking about it, I'll let everyone draft their manager too 

[mikey_LFC]

Great, thinking about it, I'll let everyone draft their manager too 

So is it basically a 2010 draft?

[Linudden]

So is it basically a 2010 draft?

Yeah. 2009-10 season. Except you have to consider players' ages and how long they have left in the game since the simulation will run until either 2016 or 2017. Hence, a starlet born in 1993 could potentially be a better pick than a superstar born in 1977. You'd have to consider how promising that youngster was in that case at the time though. For example, none of our five foreign stars born in the early 90's (Alisson, van Dijk, Salah, Mané and Firmino) were even part of the database, even though all were 17-18 at the time. Wijnaldum on the other hand, an early bloomer, was already a key player for Feyenoord.

Let's just say that Verratti, Alaba and Lukaku sometimes, in some careers, turned into world-class players though. Never a given, though, so it's not an easy pick. Depends on who their manager and coaches are. Having said that, some players that eventually turned top-class turned out like Sunday League players. The 17-year old Kalidou Koulibaly at Metz as well as 16-year old Oxlade-Chamberlain at Southampton come to mind. Best be aware of that rather than taking crazy chances in the picks.

Picking players between 18-20 who were established first-team players are safer moves.

[Betty Blue]

Sounds interesting. We did something very similar using FM15 with us all drafting current squads of the time and each season (I think we did 5) simulated by a different manager. You can see more here -

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=321688.0

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https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=321882.0

It was great fun and a repeat with a different FM version could be very interesting. The only question mark I'd have is whether FM10 players (if there are any on here) might have a huge advantage in knowing the best players in that database. The thing about the above FM15 draft is that we could all access the same DB and make choices based on our experiences in game.

[Linudden]

Sounds interesting. We did something very similar using FM15 with us all drafting current squads of the time and each season (I think we did 5) simulated by a different manager. You can see more here -

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=321688.0

&

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=321882.0

It was great fun and a repeat with a different FM version could be very interesting. The only question mark I'd have is whether FM10 players (if there are any on here) might have a huge advantage in knowing the best players in that database. The thing about the above FM15 draft is that we could all access the same DB and make choices based on our experiences in game.

Should we have a rule requiring all players picked to have played in the top flight of any given league that particular season? DQ's Verratti for example. Making it more obvious which ones could be picked. I know the database very well for sure, but it doesn't mean the database in itself was as wild as the earliest versions of CM/FM. My picks would all be established players for example. From my experience, there are really no non-regen gems that turn into world-class players.

Given the level of this draft ie best 132 players in the world - I don't think there are any shortcuts that people don't know about. It's not an under 21-draft after all If people find my game knowledge way too unfair, I can take a First Division-team too and start from down there.

[Trendisnotdestiny]

A few questions... Newbie to the Sim style and FM drafts as I do not play video games --- what does one have to do or know about the game to manage the squad or is it only drafting that counts?

DeFacto, are there any other questions for Linudden I might ask to know exactly what one has gotten themselves into?

Trend the future addict

[Linudden]

A few questions... Newbie to the Sim style and FM drafts as I do not play video games --- what does one have to do or know about the game to manage the squad or is it only drafting that counts?

DeFacto, are there any other questions for Linudden I might ask to know exactly what one has gotten themselves into?

Trend the future addict

Nothing. You just have to know which footballers were hot property during the season 2009-10  Whoever picks the best XI, will win the most trophies.

You won't coach the team. The IRL manager you draft or the Scottish club's default manager at the time will. I can easily run these seven or eight seasons in one day using unemployed holiday mode in the game if I wanted to.

[Betty Blue]

You won't coach the team. The IRL manager you draft or the Scottish club's default manager at the time will.

Dibs on Rafa 

[Trendisnotdestiny]

Nothing. You just have to know which footballers were hot property during the season 2009-10 

You won't coach the team. The IRL manager you draft or the Scottish club's default manager at the time will.

Sounds good.   Get in.   Hope I get Hearts of Midlothian

[Linudden]

Dibs on Rafa 

Herr Klopp is tricky to play against in that game with his diamond formation, just saying  He doesn't use wingers there though, paradoxically. No wing play whatsoever. Isn't it ironic, don't you think?

[Linudden]

Sounds good.   Get in.   Hope I get Hearts of Midlothian

You can dib them immediately if you want to and brace yourself for the #10 draft pick among SPL clubs, courtesy of finishing 3rd in the 2008-09 SPL season (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%9309_Scottish_Premier_League)

I'll set you up in the word file.

I dib Aberdeen due to my northerly latitude and their lovely red kits, unless people insist I'm booted from the SPL due to prior experience 

[Trendisnotdestiny]

Herr Klopp is tricky to play against in that game with his diamond formation, just saying  He doesn't use wingers there though, paradoxically. No wing play whatsoever. Isn't it ironic, don't you think?

You have to pick your managers too?   What about medics, nutritionists, and backroom/analytics staff

I dib I dibbity do.   

[Linudden]

You have to pick your managers too?   What about medics, nutritionists, and backroom/analytics staff

You don't need to. If you trust Jim Jefferies, the Hearts incumbent, to be your man, you're good 

[Trendisnotdestiny]

You don't need to. If you trust Jim Jefferies, the Hearts incumbent, to be your man, you're good 

Could I bring in Carlo Ancellotti or a big time manager from afar during this?  And how would it work if yes...

[Linudden]

Could I bring in Carlo Ancellotti or a big time manager from afar during this?  And how would it work if yes...

Yes you can. I just remove him from his Chelsea job in the editor, no questions asked, just like I'll remove Messi from Barca, Ronaldo from Real or even Stevie from Liverpool  if someone drafts them, which they of course will. Chelsea, Liverpool (Benítez) or Dortmund (Klopp) will then start with their managerial posts vacant. For example, Bradford have a managerial vacancy in the game by default due to their manager in real life departing around the same time as the January update arriving.

[Trendisnotdestiny]

Yes you can. I just remove him from his Chelsea job in the editor, no questions asked, just like I'll remove Messi from Barca, Ronaldo from Real or even Stevie from Liverpool  if someone drafts them, which they of course will. Chelsea, Liverpool (Benítez) or Dortmund (Klopp) will then start with their managerial posts vacant. For example, Bradford have a managerial vacancy in the game by default due to their manager in real life departing around the same time as the January update arriving.

Thank you...  Confused as to when the managerial pick would be made (prior to, during or after the regular player draft).  As the players you draft might dictate how you play

[Linudden]

Thank you...  Confused as to when the managerial pick would be made (prior to, during or after the regular player draft).  As the players you draft might dictate how you play

Prior to. When you sign up that is. So that you can keep it in mind while selecting players

Or... I could just sack every single SPL manager and make it all random perhaps? Or sticking to the incumbents. Yet to decide. A few days left until I intend to begin signups. All I know, is that Hearts are yours if you want them!

Looking at the SPL managers in the game, they look really solid in attributes and have relatively generic playing styles. Might work.

[Trendisnotdestiny]

Prior to. When you sign up that is. So that you can keep it in mind while selecting players

Or... I could just sack every single SPL manager and make it all random perhaps? Or sticking to the incumbents. Yet to decide. A few days left until I intend to begin signups. All I know, is that Hearts are yours if you want them!

Looking at the SPL managers in the game, they look really solid in attributes and have relatively generic playing styles. Might work.

Done did deal

Will get to work then.  Thank you for setting this up.

[Linudden]

Done did deal

Will get to work then.  Thank you for setting this up.

I'm leaning towards having the managers stay, after all, if they don't deliver they get sacked automatically anyway  Anyway, Hearts is set aside for Trendisnotdestiny, it's in my Word file so must be true!

[XabiArt]

I know we're currently doing a 90's draft.


But as we're a month away from 2020 we surely need to do a Football Draft of the Decade?


Potential rules

• Messi and Ronaldo are ineligible Because, duh

• 10 outfield player picks based on the year/season you choose. You must have a player representing each of the 10 years and DECLARE IN YOUR PICK which year it is
  For example 2010 World Cup winning Andres Iniesta would be more valuable (and in theory voted higher) than the 2019 J-League version. Players can obviously only be chosen once so another player cannot then choose 2011 Iniesta

• Pick 11 is your goalkeeper of the decade No specific year ruling for this one

Any other suggestions welcome, along the lines of 'celebrating' the decade.

I was thinking about potentially having players whos country hosted or won a major international tournament. Also selecting a player who had a champions league winning season but I would be surprised if that didn't happen anyway.

[mikey_LFC]

Like it, I'd be in for that.

I'd allow Messi and Ronaldo though

[Samie]

Sounds good but Betty was planning on doing a 80's era draft next mate.

[XabiArt]

I'm not completely against it, but it just feels like the 2 who are fortunate enough to be number 1 and 2 pick have an absolutely massive advantage whereas keeping them out of the draft will create lots of more even teams.

[XabiArt]

Sounds good but Betty was planning on doing a 80's era draft next mate.

Fair enough! Just thought it was a good time to do it. Maybe we can do it in the new year when we're all nostalgic for the past decade 

[Betty Blue]

Fair enough! Just thought it was a good time to do it. Maybe we can do it in the new year when we're all nostalgic for the past decade 

I'm in no rush. The 80s aren't going anywhere 

[mikey_LFC]

I'm in no rush. The 80s aren't going anywhere 

Does that mean a 2010s draft?

I think it’d be good to do as it’s fresh in our minds and you don’t get the issues of players overlapping decades as much because one is bookended basically.

[Betty Blue]

Does that mean a 2010s draft?

I think it’d be good to do as it’s fresh in our minds and you don’t get the issues of players overlapping decades as much because one is bookended basically.

Come to think about it, problematically this does clash with our ongoing 'battle of the decades draft' since to make it even each draft needs to have the exact same criteria. So Xabi's pitch would be it's own thing. Then we'd need another 10s draft at some point. But if we spread it out enough then maybe it won't matter.

[Samie]

Right I've Pm'd a few legendary old timers drafters to see if they're interested in the next one. if they have the time.  Let's see who PoP's by.