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Re: 7he Manches7er Uni7ed 7hread - NO GREENWOOD/ANTONY*
« Reply #80 on: September 2, 2023, 09:38:15 am »
So 60m Mount is no longer first choice 3 matches in?🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That was a really piss-poor buy. Good enough player(not good enough for us though), but simply not at all what they needed. I can't understand it.
How they didn't know an immediate replacement for Casemiero was top priority, is astounding.

If they knew they had limited cash to spend, why not start with the heart of the squad - the most imminent replacement and work from there? Boggles the mind.
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But he'd make the shortlist

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« Reply #81 on: September 2, 2023, 10:43:33 am »
That was a really piss-poor buy. Good enough player(not good enough for us though), but simply not at all what they needed. I can't understand it.
How they didn't know an immediate replacement for Casemiero was top priority, is astounding.

If they knew they had limited cash to spend, why not start with the heart of the squad - the most imminent replacement and work from there? Boggles the mind.

They spent 60 mill on Casemiro last year, he's on 350k a week and they all raved about him last season, why would they want to replace him right now? They've invested too much in him. Amrabat coming in gives them the cover they need.

Problem with Mount is he's a luxury player and needs a midfield built around him (like the foundations of Kante and Kovacic at Chelsea). Eriksen is the same, Fernandes is the same and Fernandes is their main man that they build around. Grav/Dom/Mac would have been better profile buys for them, but then Mount was a key target for us as well.
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« Reply #82 on: September 2, 2023, 11:03:22 am »
They spent 60 mill on Casemiro last year, he's on 350k a week and they all raved about him last season, why would they want to replace him right now? They've invested too much in him. Amrabat coming in gives them the cover they need.

Problem with Mount is he's a luxury player and needs a midfield built around him (like the foundations of Kante and Kovacic at Chelsea). Eriksen is the same, Fernandes is the same and Fernandes is their main man that they build around. Grav/Dom/Mac would have been better profile buys for them, but then Mount was a key target for us as well.

Apparently when he played, he was outstanding on the field.

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« Reply #83 on: September 2, 2023, 11:05:10 am »
They do need the cover at least. Always said with Casemiro he might be good for 1-2 seasons but his legs will go and they'll be stuck with the huge wages and still paying off the transfer fee. However, Saudi will probably end up bailing them out next year or the year after.

It will probably depend on how sensible they are with him, if his hefty salary keeps him in the side too long rather than them limiting his minutes and rotating him from the start with Amrabat then he'll be delivering consistently worse performances than we got out of Fab at times last season.

I'm not so sure the Saudis will save them from his salary though, they have got the aging big names this summer for the attention and in a year's time they might be looking to upgrade to better players rather than just grabbing another round of them, outside of any they can pick up at the end of contracts anyway. While we are complaining about how many of our players they have tried to get, beyond trying to disrupt us, I do think it has also been about getting attention on their league by connecting it with our name and it shows how shite the united squad is right now that they have not seen a similar amount of bids since they are the biggest name alongside us in the PL after all.

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« Reply #84 on: September 2, 2023, 11:30:16 am »
They spent 60 mill on Casemiro last year, he's on 350k a week and they all raved about him last season, why would they want to replace him right now? They've invested too much in him. Amrabat coming in gives them the cover they need.

Problem with Mount is he's a luxury player and needs a midfield built around him (like the foundations of Kante and Kovacic at Chelsea). Eriksen is the same, Fernandes is the same and Fernandes is their main man that they build around. Grav/Dom/Mac would have been better profile buys for them, but then Mount was a key target for us as well.
I hear you, but I mean, why would a top, top manager stick with a DM who had already started falling apart last season, and go out and buy a luxury player, while bringing in a passable option on loan?

That's throwing money they don't really have, into the water- just like that?
It's like driving an everyday runner. Then you've got a gearbox that starts slipping. You've got enough money to buy a new one(and if you're smart- even have a decent amount of change left). If you buy new, then you're settled for years to come... but you go out and buy a rebuild... then spend the money on a turbo/supercharger, with intercooler?
To do what? Drive you to work and back every day?

Like someone asking what time it is, and you going - "Yes, I'm hungry"?

I dunno mate. I still say, it was an insane move. Buy Lavia, or Ugarte or any of the ones that were available for that 60m and you've basically elevated your team to top 2 level, but instead they decide to spend 60m on a player they don't need.
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Re: 7he Manches7er Uni7ed 7hread - NO GREENWOOD/ANTONY*
« Reply #85 on: September 2, 2023, 12:11:45 pm »
They raved about Casemiro but he only stood out because he was surrounded by shite. I see far too much of these due to her and I was never impressed with him, he was invisible at Anfield til he fell over and without their pet refs would have seen red a he'll of a lot more than he did
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« Reply #86 on: September 2, 2023, 12:12:58 pm »
I will never ever stop taking great amusement at these scruffy inbred miscreants, perennially overcompensating, striving so very hard, spending ridiculous sums of money (fees and salaries), wasted on the wrong players, being puffed up by their mates in the media and PGMOL (and PL) alike, appointing chancers as managers and executives like a gambler who got lucky once, and yet, despite all this effort....still achieve the princely sum of fuck all in the process.

The irony of them calling City "the noisy neighbours"... ::)
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« Reply #87 on: September 2, 2023, 01:01:03 pm »
how can that be? sir gary of sky sports keep claiming glazers aren't spending enough and are willing to knee and bend over for oil sheikhs so that his beloved club could have some spare change.

Their spending has been ridiculous for years ...

https://www.transfermarkt.com/manchester-united/alletransfers/verein/985

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« Reply #88 on: September 2, 2023, 01:16:38 pm »
They’re a poor team and should be mid table but, as others have said, when you constantly have home grown refs and mufc worshiping VAR influencing games, then anything is possible … except winning the league of course. That’s not happening anytime soon regardless of the leg ups they always get
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« Reply #89 on: September 2, 2023, 01:19:14 pm »
Their spending has been ridiculous for years ...

https://www.transfermarkt.com/manchester-united/alletransfers/verein/985

Had to go back to 2012/13 for their last successful signing, Van Persie. Thank god for whoever they have in charge of transfers over there. Catastrophic.
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« Reply #90 on: September 2, 2023, 03:21:15 pm »
their transfers doesnt look that bad as its in euros. but at the wages they are paying out that attracts the players. they are unfortunately still in CL and the inbreds in black will keep it that way for the foreseeable future.

the outgoings are what gets me. they used to move players off their wage bill at way over inflated prices when shoulder shitter was around.

jones and de gea are still without a club. those two would have given them a decent chunk if sold.

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« Reply #91 on: September 2, 2023, 03:43:50 pm »
Had to go back to 2012/13 for their last successful signing, Van Persie. Thank god for whoever they have in charge of transfers over there. Catastrophic.

Fernandes has been a success for them, loathsome though he is.

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« Reply #92 on: September 2, 2023, 05:23:18 pm »
Looks like Chelsea has overtaken them as the worst run club in the league

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« Reply #93 on: September 2, 2023, 05:34:51 pm »
Looks like Chelsea has overtaken them as the worst run club in the league

It's a tight race ...

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« Reply #94 on: September 2, 2023, 05:37:36 pm »
Looks like Chelsea has overtaken them as the worst run club in the league

It's a tight race ...

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« Reply #95 on: September 2, 2023, 05:41:26 pm »
Everton says hello.
No. They are simply not run at all.
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« Reply #96 on: September 2, 2023, 05:41:48 pm »
jones and de gea are still without a club. those two would have given them a decent chunk if sold.
Decent chunk? Of what, dog meat?

Nobody is paying a penny for De Gea given his age, well-highlighted flaws and salary expectations. He'll be in Saudi Arabia this time next week.

As for Jones, hahahaha.....
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« Reply #97 on: September 2, 2023, 05:43:07 pm »
Fernandes has been a success for them, loathsome though he is.
I'd say "relative" success. In that he's not been consistently utter shite. Transfers have a very low bar set at United.
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« Reply #98 on: September 2, 2023, 05:47:53 pm »
I'd say "relative" success. In that he's not been consistently utter shite. Transfers have a very low bar set at United.

He's one of those players that if you took away the United hype and put him at a club of his level, say Brighton, he would look amazing, get a transfer to a big club and look average.

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« Reply #99 on: September 2, 2023, 10:36:13 pm »
The green and gold stuff will be out in force!


The Glazers  are pulling the sake unit, 2025 hoping conditions might be more favourable then

:lmao

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12474251/Manchester-United-taken-market-Glazer-family-bidders-fail-reach-asking-price-huge-blow-furious-fans-hold-10BILLION-club.html


Spoiler: they are holding out for £10bn!
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« Reply #100 on: September 2, 2023, 10:42:48 pm »
We believe the likes of the Daily Mail though?

It would be funny and just shows how much the likes of Rio know. 

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« Reply #101 on: September 2, 2023, 10:43:31 pm »
We believe the likes of the Daily Mail though?

It would be funny and just shows how much the likes of Rio know.

Rio knows nothing. He’s such a dumb prick.
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« Reply #102 on: September 2, 2023, 10:43:41 pm »
We believe the likes of the Daily Mail though?

It would be funny and just shows how much the likes of Rio know.

Nick Harris is a very good journo on these kind of topics

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« Reply #103 on: September 2, 2023, 10:44:17 pm »
We believe the likes of the Daily Mail though?

It would be funny and just shows how much the likes of Rio know. 
Yes, because this is a good reporter who is well respected and does his homework
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« Reply #104 on: September 2, 2023, 10:44:25 pm »
Predictable in their greed. That's been on the cards for a while now.
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« Reply #105 on: September 2, 2023, 10:44:47 pm »
We believe the likes of the Daily Mail though?

It would be funny and just shows how much the likes of Rio know. 

Nick Harris and Alex Miller are usually pretty good on football finance.
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« Reply #106 on: September 2, 2023, 10:45:00 pm »
Nick Harris is a very good journo on these kind of topics

Well if true thats fucking huge (and funny). Shows how far away a sale has always been.

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« Reply #107 on: September 2, 2023, 10:45:51 pm »
Yes, because this is a good reporter who is well respected and does his homework

Ok fair i just see "daily mail" and instantly think its bullshit lol

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« Reply #108 on: September 2, 2023, 10:45:54 pm »
The green and gold stuff will be out in force!


The Glazers  are pulling the sake unit, 2025 hoping conditions might be more favourable then

:lmao

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12474251/Manchester-United-taken-market-Glazer-family-bidders-fail-reach-asking-price-huge-blow-furious-fans-hold-10BILLION-club.html

Spoiler: they are holding out for £10bn!

Great. Now I hope they get beaten by Arsenal tomorrow. It will further improve the atmosphere at their club, before the international break ...

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« Reply #109 on: September 2, 2023, 10:47:29 pm »
Great. Now I hope they get beaten by Arsenal tomorrow. It will further improve the atmosphere at their club, before the international break ...
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« Reply #110 on: September 2, 2023, 10:48:11 pm »


But seriously, could it be because the PL has plans for it's own in house channel showing games and giving clubs their own streaming rights whne the current SKY/TNT deal is up, could be why FSG abruptly called a sale off as well, if individual streaming rights are coming in, that's going to be very lucrative, Boehly also mentioned about streaming rights when he first got Chelsea.
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« Reply #111 on: September 2, 2023, 10:48:47 pm »
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Your avatar ….capon has a lot to answer for!

To be fair, it is a great avatar ;D

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« Reply #112 on: September 2, 2023, 10:49:19 pm »
No one saw this coming …

The scarves will be out but it’s clear Glazers don’t want to sell. Wonder where Qatar go now (gulp).

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« Reply #113 on: September 2, 2023, 10:51:25 pm »
Ok fair i just see "daily mail" and instantly think its bullshit lol

Yeah, I know what you mean, but the editor of the sports/football pages isn’t necessarily aligned with the overall editor. Tony Evans was the football editor at the Times for years. Sports journalists tend to have more freedom as it’s “entertainment” drawing in readers.

Which also means you have a good point. Someone who buys the DM for the sports coverage may well end up reading the rest of the trash.
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« Reply #114 on: September 2, 2023, 10:51:51 pm »
No one saw this coming …

The scarves will be out but it’s clear Glazers don’t want to sell. Wonder where Qatar go now (gulp).

I doubt they will be coming for us. If the Glazers rate Man Utd at £10 billion, FSG have no reason to accept a penny less ...

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« Reply #115 on: September 2, 2023, 10:55:37 pm »
From a business point of view it makes far more sense to hold on to your asset and wait for another similar sized club to blink first. If United sold for £8bn (say) then FSG would then have a barometer when they came to sell. Both the Glazers and FSG are in the same position though. Chelsea went for £6bn and Boehly seems to say it's 5x undervalued so they'll hold on for the foreseeable.

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« Reply #116 on: September 2, 2023, 10:58:08 pm »
From a business point of view it makes far more sense to hold on to your asset and wait for another similar sized club to blink first. If United sold for £8bn (say) then FSG would then have a barometer when they came to sell. Both the Glazers and FSG are in the same position though. Chelsea went for £6bn and Boehly seems to say it's 5x undervalued so they'll hold on for the foreseeable.
Chelsea went for about £2.5bn….
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« Reply #117 on: September 2, 2023, 10:58:35 pm »
Glazers are good businessmen, 10 billion is appropriate sale figure for Man United, probably should be higher given the global viewership. They should hold firm.

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« Reply #118 on: September 2, 2023, 11:00:03 pm »
I doubt they will be coming for us. If the Glazers rate Man Utd at £10 billion, FSG have no reason to accept a penny less ...
Except that's not a realistic price (an actual realised sale like Chelsea at £2.7b remains the benchmark). It's just the latest figure to try and inflate the market. They simply kept upping the 'asking price' just to see how far desperate potential buyers would go. All it demonstrates is the lack of willingness to actually sell. I'm surprised Qatar played along this far, when it was obvious what the gameplan was. But they must now realise the Glazers are time-wasters, so will look elsewhere. Hopefully not down the M62.

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« Reply #119 on: September 2, 2023, 11:24:55 pm »
The green and gold stuff will be out in force!


The Glazers  are pulling the sake unit, 2025 hoping conditions might be more favourable then

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You hate to see them get bullied out of the league by the boo-boys. Great that they're standing up for what they believe in. Nobody can seriously deny that they've backed the various managers in the transfer market and good that they get a chance to reap the rewards of the ten Haag era.

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