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« Reply #2280 on: January 3, 2011, 11:33:14 pm »
He briefly worked as a PE teacher from 1972–73 at Alleyn's School in south London, and later at Hillview High School in Pretoria, South Africa.'

Fuck me a PE teacher is incharge of Liverpool

reckon if the players forget there kit they have to train in vest and pants ;D
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Re: Roy to be sacked & Dion Fanning article
« Reply #2281 on: January 3, 2011, 11:35:15 pm »
It's so unbelievably frustrating though, because I can't help but dream about how incredible it would be to take 10,000 to that shithole with Kenny in charge. The passion on show would be something godlike.

THIS. I had dreams about it all weekend. What a scene it would've been.

I'd be mercilessly optimistic about our chances, but there is a dark lining for the cynical -- if we'd appointed Kenny this week then gotten wrecked at Ol Shatford, I fear it might've obliterated our chances of rebuilding confidence. So who knows; maybe this excruciating delay will be for the best? #clutchingatstraws
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Re: Roy to be sacked & Dion Fanning article
« Reply #2282 on: January 3, 2011, 11:36:11 pm »
........ and later at Hillview High School in Pretoria, South Africa.'

Yes, I noticed that a while back. He seems to have worked there during the era of Apartheid. No one seems to have questioned him on that.
 
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Re: Roy to be sacked & Dion Fanning article
« Reply #2283 on: January 3, 2011, 11:38:02 pm »
Though I agree with the poster above, the sight of Dalglish making the long walk from your tunnel to our dugout would have an incredibly galvanising impact on our support and team.

What we actually get instead is almost unreal in comparison, as it makes it's way towards a laugh, a joke, and a hug with a tramp who smells of wee, and a kicking on the pitch. Yay.
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Re: Roy to be sacked & Dion Fanning article
« Reply #2284 on: January 3, 2011, 11:38:19 pm »
Fuck me a PE teacher is incharge of Liverpool


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Re: Roy to be sacked & Dion Fanning article
« Reply #2285 on: January 3, 2011, 11:43:11 pm »
Great post mate. The way nesv have been bahving has bordered on negligence.

To the contrary, it would be more of a negligent act to race in and appoint someone that they needs turn around and sack in another 6 months.


Dont get me wrong, I never thought this manager would work. But I do not want the uphevals to go on because the owners had their hand forced and acted too quickly.

We clamour for Dalglish and rightly so. But what if he is being considered for the CEO position?  What (futrue) strength will that give to the Club? 
Although most of us think with our hearts, maybe the fact NESV are using their heads is what is needed?
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Re: Roy to be sacked & Dion Fanning article
« Reply #2286 on: January 3, 2011, 11:44:55 pm »
Roy Hodgson out to forget his troubles with spree at the January sales

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Roy Hodgson has pleaded with the owners of Liverpool, Fenway Sports Group (FSG), to allow him to spend his way out of trouble despite his future at the club being shrouded in uncertainty.

FSG has already determined that Hodgson will be replaced as manager, the only question being whether or not his successor will be identified and appointed before the end of the season.

Only a dramatic and unlikely U-turn by the club’s American owners prompted by an upsurge in form would afford the 63-year-old any chance of remaining in situ, but Hodgson is seeking an opportunity to stamp his “authority and philosophy” on the team by staging a spending spree during the January transfer window.

Hodgson maintains that the present Liverpool team cannot truly be described as his unless and until it contains more of his own signings. After his appointment as manager last July, Liverpool recruited seven players, including Joe Cole, Raul Meireles, Paul Konchesky and Christian Poulsen, but Hodgson says that an even more significant incursion into the transfer market is necessary if he is to bring about the kind of revival that his critics claim is beyond him.

“I’m hoping that one day I will get a chance to stamp a little bit more of my authority and philosophy on the team by choosing some more of the players,” Hodgson said. “Although it’s not often mentioned, I’ve not been that active in the transfer market since I’ve been here.

“The players are the ones you have watched playing for the past few years and who’ve done exceptionally well for me in accepting a new manager with a new style and a new training method, albeit that unfortunately we have been guilty of inconsistency.”

The dilemma for FSG is that in planning for a future without Hodgson, it may be loath to offer him substantial transfer funds this month, but the decline in Liverpool’s fortunes could force FSG to be more liberal with its spending than had previously been expected.

The presence of Damien Comolli, however, may offer a solution because the club’s recently appointed director of football strategy could be empowered to direct all transfer operations regardless of the managerial uncertainty.

Hodgson’s desperation for top-class recruits stems in part from his belief that Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres cannot be relied on to figure in each and every game. The manager’s concern is such that he has warned the Liverpool supporters not to expect the pair to start all the games in January as he seeks to protect them for the rest of the season.

“I think we will have to [put Torres on the bench in some games] and have to hope that the fans and supporters understand that,” Hodgson said. “Fernando had a very serious knee injury, which seems to be in the past, but when you’ve had an injury there’s always the little risk of recurrence. And Steven, of course, is susceptible to muscle injury if he plays too many games one after the other.

“So I’ve got to hope that the ones who just seem to keep going, the Duracell bunnies — the Dirk Kuyts and the Lucas Leivas of this world — can keep us going and give me a chance of giving a rest to the others.

“But I think you’ll find a lot of teams have a lot of matches coming up. Our good fortune is that the squad going into these matches is relatively whole. We don’t have that many injuries, touch wood.”

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Re: Roy to be sacked & Dion Fanning article
« Reply #2287 on: January 3, 2011, 11:47:38 pm »
Fuck me a PE teacher is incharge of Liverpool

reckon if the players forget there kit they have to train in vest and pants ;D


It would explain the use of the "head, shoulders, knees and toes" technique thats been seen at melwood this season.

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Re: Roy to be sacked & Dion Fanning article
« Reply #2288 on: January 3, 2011, 11:48:23 pm »
Fuck me a PE teacher is incharge of Liverpool

reckon if the players forget there kit they have to train in vest and pants ;D
Wasn't Houllier a teacher for a while.

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Re: Roy to be sacked & Dion Fanning article
« Reply #2289 on: January 3, 2011, 11:59:20 pm »
a PE teacher is incharge of Liverpool

Gerard Houllier.

As part of his degree, he elected to spend a year in 1969-1970 in Liverpool as an Assistant at Alsop Comprehensive School;
He was deputy headmaster of the École Normale d'Arras until the age of 26.

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Re: Roy to be sacked & Dion Fanning article
« Reply #2290 on: January 4, 2011, 12:00:55 am »
Fuck me a PE teacher is incharge of Liverpool

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Re: Roy to be sacked & Dion Fanning article
« Reply #2291 on: January 4, 2011, 12:25:38 am »
I think Roy's clinging on by a thread at the moment.
If he wins at United, though, things could all change for him. I think that's the crucial game next weekend.
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Re: Roy to be sacked & Dion Fanning article
« Reply #2292 on: January 4, 2011, 12:37:03 am »
Roy is a terrible manager. No doubts there.

But Gerrard is on £110,000+ A WEEK.

On Wednesday I went to the game and he couldn't be arsed

LFC Club Captain. £110k a week.

Can't be fucking arsed.

Not sure this is brilliant. Fucking hell. More money than I earn in 3 or 4 years. And he can't be arsed.


Its a lot of money i agree for 110k a week there should be a performance based contract. He should be getting 50% of it as a base and he gets 25% if he delivers a goal or an assist but we lose or draw and the full 50% for a win regardless of his contribution as its the result thats most important.  Same for all attackers and clean sheets for defenders/goalie's. Seriously if you getting 55k a week thats enough if you achieve then you get the extra. Do everything to get a result.

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Re: Roy to be sacked & Dion Fanning article
« Reply #2293 on: January 4, 2011, 01:34:51 am »
Fuck me a PE teacher is incharge of Liverpool

reckon if the players forget there kit they have to train in vest and pants ;D

PE teacher? From the vintage when medicine balls were in fashion.  :butt :butt
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« Reply #2294 on: January 4, 2011, 01:36:23 am »

It's so unbelievably frustrating though, because I can't help but dream about how incredible it would be to take 10,000 to that shithole with Kenny in charge. The passion on show would be something godlike.

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« Reply #2295 on: January 4, 2011, 01:53:59 am »
...be careful what u wish for ...  :)
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Re: Roy to be sacked & Dion Fanning article
« Reply #2296 on: January 4, 2011, 01:57:57 am »
Well looks like Roy won't be leaving anytime soon.

Continues to infuriate being seem shaking hands and laughing with Ferguson at the Wigan-Newcastle game. But also being there with Comolli suggests they are scouting which means he will be here beyond January no matter what...

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« Reply #2297 on: January 4, 2011, 02:01:46 am »
Written by Roy Henderson for The Tomkins Times, and also used on Roy’s own blog, Level 3.

The Victor Chandler odds checker for the new manager of Liverpool FC is a curious sight. The usual suspects are there, pride of place at the top of the li… hold on. Who’s Ralf Rangnick? And 6/1? That means there’s a remote possibility this fella could take the helm at our beloved club, doesn’t it?



Who hell he?

Well, let’s find out eh? A few of you no doubt know all this already, in which case please weigh in with your views, but a great many of us have a few gaps in our knowledge of his work.

Today in Twitterland, Tor-Kristian Karlsen (check his credentials here: http://tkkarlsen.tv2blogg.no) says “should Liverpool go for Ralf Rangnick it’d be one of the most inspired and interesting managerial appointments ever in the

Premier League in my opinion.”

Intriguing eh?

He continues: “Ralf Rangnick is a ‘German Wenger’… an empire builder and an advocate of attacking football.”

Sounds good I guess. But is he suitable for Liverpool?

Sprechen Die Lingo?

For me, it’s a bonus if the manager is a good communicator. The foundation for that has to be command of the English language, particularly in the position we’re in right now. So – another Juande Ramos Monsieur Commoli? *Coughs*
Well, no actually. We’re not talking chalking off the Linguaphone tapes either. Rangnick is fluent in English, having shown signs of the qualities that have driven his career in his decision to learn the language. When 22, when playing for VfB Stuttgart’s reserves, he left to immerse himself in Sport and Language studies at Sussex University.

“I knew that if I wanted to finish my studies and one day be able to read the 800 pages of Charles Dickens’s Hard Times, I needed to have lived in England for a longer period of time”.

There are further hints at this character trait. If he’s passionate about something, he throws himself into it headlong, and seemingly without compromise.

Wet Behind The Ears or Pushing Up The Daisies?

Next up, age.

We need someone who can give us a good decade or more’s tilt at implementing whatever the club’s shared footballing blueprint will be. Before figuring out if that decade might be valuable, we need to figure out if there’s any slack in his ‘threescore years and ten’.

Well, born on 29th June 1958, Rangnick’s not your Spring Chook. That makes him, by my calculations, 52. That’s not ideal, given there are some candidates being discussed who are 17 years of age and such, but it’s not catastrophic by any means. There’s a good fifteen or more years’ slack in there if he looks after himself (and it appears he looks after himself).

So it would depend on the existence of drive and vision… but we’ll come back to that in a bit.

A Spicy Meatball?

LFC, as we know, now has a Director of Football Strategy in place. An ‘actively interested’ executive team buys into that strategy. So they effectively own it. Could Rangnick work in that environment?

Well, this is one point that’s up for grabs. Clearly he’s a spicy meatball, but not necessarily for the wrong reasons. And let’s face it – we do like a wrong ‘un at LFC – the last thing we want is your cookie cutter standard management material. We’ve had six stomach-turning months of it force fed to us like a Foie Gras goose.

So what’s the story with his attitude?

Well, only yesterday, he left Hoffenheim after a player was sold without his being notified. He commented: “It’s a unique case for a player to be sold without the coach being directly informed… That led to my decision.” For me, that seems pretty clear cut. If you’re a man of your word, and you have any kind of ‘code’ that you apply to your work, you need people to stick to the rules agreed. If they break the rules, some managers will lick their wounds and move and shake; others will hand in their letter of resignation. It seems Rangnick’s one of the latter. For me, that’s no bad thing. Shanks himself is said to have tendered his resignation any number of times during his time at Liverpool.

So what about the rest of his career? Well, perhaps Schalke is a better, more enlightening example. His time there was cut short in 2005 despite decent results due to a feud with their General Manager Rudi Assauer. It seems Assauer took an instant dislike to Rangnick, getting his name wrong at his unveiling, for example. Uli Hesse Lichteburger expands on this.

Actually, I can understand why Assauer felt irritated because I can’t say I’m too fond of Rangnick, as a person, myself.

He sometimes reminds me of Otto Rehagel, in that there’s a certain sophisticated gruffness about him and a touch of arrogance. But while Rehagel’s arrogance is grounded in the belief he’s seen more and learned more than you did, Rangnick’s arrogance is harder to stomach, particularly for an overachieving working-class man like Assauer, because he seems to believe he’s smarter than you.

Of course, he makes these comments in the process of nominating Rangnick for man of the year 2009.
Rangnick’s public persona wasn’t something new either. Before he’d even established himself as a top flight manager, he was already dropping itching powder into the establishment’s lederhosen.

…December 19 1998. On that infamous night, Ralf Rangnick, the fresh-faced manager of second division leaders SSV Ulm, appeared with a magnetic tactics board and explained the exotic wonders of his team’s flat back four and zonal marking. It was all hugely embarrassing for German football. Rangnick’s lecture mercilessly exposed the Bundesliga’s backwardness; at the time, both the national team and all top clubs except Gladbach were still wedded to variations of a sweeper system with three at the back.

And yet, what could have been a wake-up call was quickly brushed aside by an unholy alliance of old-school managers and powerful tabloids. The bespectacled and somewhat earnest Rangnick was dismissed as an esoteric “football professor” out of tune with what was obviously much more important than any new ideas: the old “German virtues” of will-power, leadership and Zweikampf [fighting spirit].

Uli Hesse Lichteburger takes the story on.

He was only 40 then and had never coached in the top flight so his performance rubbed a few veterans in the wrong way, particularly since Rangnick’s explanations of the pressing game or the flat-back four (then highly unusual in Germany) were taken to imply that most of his colleagues were teaching outdated methods.

Rangnick seems to feel he painted himself into a corner he can’t get out of with that performance, the more so since it became known in the wake of this TV show that his players called him “the Professor”. And indeed, many people appear to feel the same way about Rangnick that I do – just the other day, Bayern’s Uli Hoeness called him a “smart aleck”.

But I don’t think that has anything to do with 1998. It’s just the way that Rangnick is, and I can’t say I really mind. Despite daily evidence to the contrary, I don’t think sport should be a popularity contest. As Dizzy Dean said, it ain’t bragging if you can do it, and Rangnick has certainly done it, has proven that if you leave him alone he’ll build a team that plays exceptionally well and has success.

Perhaps it’s just that Rangnick is a trained school teacher.

So what can we glean from that? A hint of the iconoclast, a man who won’t accept convention for convention’s sake, and a man who’s confident enough to hold his ground when confronted with the footballing establishment.
Surely that’s Liverpool’s life blood, no?

What About The Football?

Rangnick’s Hoffenheim team were built on familiar foundations. The players didn’t play their own game. They didn’t play to try and look good. They helped each other out, and they ran for each other. They didn’t think they were superstars. And last but not least, they had strong team spirit.

But what about their style? Well, that’s when things really get interesting. Hoffenheim played genuine one-touch pass-and-move football. Hoenigstein described their football as “beautiful and free-flowing”, “Autobahn-Fussball without a speed limit”, and “a joy to behold.”

So how does that happen? Good old hard work and commitment to a footballing ‘way’, that’s how.

“[Rangnick]… has instilled his players with a world of confidence and a never-say-die attitude, which perfectly complements his attacking philosophy.
Under Rangnick, Hoffenheim plays a relentless pressing game, with emphasis put on quickly moving the ball upfield with a series of quick and short passes to keep their opponents on the back foot at all times.”
So where are the roots of his commitment to this brand of pressing game?

[He] had never played at the highest level, only as an amateur for Stuttgart, Victoria Backnang and tiny outfit Southwick FC, while studying in England. Largely self-taught, his epiphany came in a Backnang friendly against Valeriy Lobanovsky’s Dynamo Kyiv in 1984. “I was convinced they had one more player on the pitch,” he later said about the opponents’ pressing game. “This was a whole new way of football.” A few years on, he had Italian friends sending over VHS cassettes of Arrigo Sacchi’s AC Milan and once spent an entire family holiday looking at the training regime of legendary Czech coach Zdenek Zeman, then manager at US Foggia. Rangnick adopted the revolutionary methods of these mavericks and took little Ulm all the way to the Bundesliga in 1999. But the country wasn’t yet ready for his academic approach. Mixed fortunes at Stuttgart, Hannover and Schalke saw him struggling to lose the “professor” tag.

Gabriele Marcotti takes up the reins, (written shortly after a narrow loss to Bayern Munich away).

‘They were easily the toughest opponents we’ve played all year at the Allianz Arena,’ Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, the Bayern chairman, said. ‘Nobody else has come into our house and pushed us around like that.’
The ‘pushing around’ bit is an apt analogy, because it speaks to the way Hoffenheim play. Their 4-3-3 is not a cloaked 4-5-1; their wingers and Demba Ba and Chinedu Ogbuke (who made the journey with John Obi Mikel from Nigeria to Norway, was his flatmate for two years and nearly joined him at Chelsea) ñ stay up the pitch and furiously press and harass the opposition. Their midfield trio move like clockwork and the back four push right up, applying the off-side trap with maniacal precision.

‘My football ideal is Arrigo Sacchi’s Milan,Ralf Rangnick, their manager, said. ‘Be aggressive in the press, never pass the ball backwards, be quick and direct in possession, move in unison.’ Indeed, Sacchi gave football its last real tactical innovation some 20 years ago.

…Of course, many have tried to emulate what Sacchi achieved in his first four years at the San Siro, without succeeding. And that’s why Rangnick has provided his own tweaks, starting with the formation (a 4-3-3, rather than Sacchi’s 4-4-2). But, like all great tactical systems, the result is that the whole is far greater than the sum of the parts.

…Nobody embodies this more than Hoffenheim’s centre forward, Vedad Ibisevic… Tall (6ft 3in), strong and mobile, he is the offensive terminus for everything the side do and, beyond his scoring record, his runs and movement have become an integral part of Rangnick’s master scheme.

If they put the formations to one side for a moment, most Liverpool fans of a certain age would consider that style of football to be their club’s own hallmark. Here was another side who’d freshly discovered that formula. Interesting, no?

Set In His Ways?

With FSG at the helm, it’s maybe fair to suggest a new manager not be too set in his ways. These guys have a track record of interesting and unconventional analysis, and they work well with people who share that constant hunger to challenge conventional practice to try and find an edge. It goes a long way to explain why Hodgson is regarded the way he is within the club. Not only do they want winners – they prefer winners who like winning in innovative ways.
Gabriele Marcotti gave us an insight into Rangnick’s mindset on this front.

Crucially, [Hoffenheim] have provided an alternative blueprint for success. One based on infrastructure, coaching and tactics. That alone makes them special, whatever may happen.
…20 years ago, Rangnick was working in German amateur football. He would tape every Milan game, edit and catalogue every sequence and build a database of how the side moved on the pitch. And this was years before ProZone. To do this, you have to be something of a football-obsessed workaholic, which Rangnick undoubtedly is.”

Echoes of his decision to move wholesale to England in his early 20s there. This is an intense man, who, when he’s inspired by an idea, throws himself into it without compromise.
Hoenigstein again.

…the real reasons for Hoffenheim’s fantastic ascent to the top are to be found in the minds of the management…

“Hoffenheim are distinguished by a strong belief in the success of a convincing plan and the smart employment of resources,” gushed Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung. While Rangnick is increasingly wary of giving too many of his training secrets away, general manager Jan Schindelmeiser was happy to explain the basic tenet of their thinking. “Our player selection process is subordinate to our style of football,” he said. “We don’t buy 30-year-old-players who can’t handle our pace.”

…”Rangnick doesn’t need rugged veterans who bring down the tempo to their level”

…”The Bundesliga has never seen such cool, collected novices before”

You can imagine Messrs Henry and Werner smiling at the suggestion of that kind of approach.

An Eye For A Player?

Liverpool’s behind the 8 ball in the transfer market, at least in the short term, so we need a man who can squeeze every last penny of value from the club’s transfer budget. So how does he fare on this front? Well, let’s see.
At the stage where they topped the Bundesliga, the Hoffenheim team’s average age was 23. Was this down to Rangnick’s preference in any way? Well, I’d argue this is where he really stakes a claim for suitability. In his work at Hoffenheim, he insisted they work pretty much the exact how FSG and Commoli want to work at Liverpool. Over to Herr Rangnick himself.

‘Mr Hopp had been trying to win promotion [from the third division] for three or four years with no success,’ says Rangnick… ‘At that time he was still putting money in, but not as much as now. What he had been trying to do was the same as many clubs – bring in experienced, expensive players. He was looking for a big solution. I told him that we wanted to look for younger players from the start.

‘We realised after two or three months that we needed Francisco Copado [a 34-year-old midfielder] and other older players. After the promotion to league two we said, “Now we completely concentrate on the younger ones.” We only looked for players aged between 17 and 23. The oldest we’ve signed in the last three years was Per Nilsson [a Swedish defender]. He was 24. All the others we signed were 19, 20, 21.’

…’With those youngsters you have to let them run. If you play defensively with a young team it is a contradiction. Young players have many advantages. They learn faster, listen, can cope with the intensity of training. Young players also know that they need team spirit, and need trust and confidence from us.

‘The average age of the squad is 22-and-a-half. We have only four defeats, which is absolutely unbelievable. The progress in recent months is outstanding.’

Not only was this more ‘market-efficient’ – it also suited his intense approach to the game. He needed young players for specific technical reasons.
So what kind of players did he buy? Does he go for established ‘names’?

Hoenigstein again.

…Half of “Germany’s new football heroes” (Bild), men such as future German international Marvin Compper, were bargain basement cast-offs from other Bundesliga clubs. The others ≠≠- Vedad Ibisevic, Chinedu Obasi, Ba, Eduardo – are moderately expensive unknowns that any half-decent team could have easily bought themselves. But they were looking elsewhere, or worse, only at the roster of their favourite player agencies.

The case of the attacking focal point mentioned above – Vedad Ibisevic – is probably a good example. It’s fair to say he found value where others were unable to spot it.

Ibisevic, top of the scorers list with nine goals, has become the first household name among Rangnick’s gang of former misfits, nobodies and unknown unknowns. His is a veritable rags to riches story and testament to Hoffenheim’s fantastic scouting skills. “A fairytale,” he calls it. His family became refugees in the Balkan war and later emigrated to the US via Switzerland. Ibisevic played college soccer for Roosevelt High School in St Louis and was called up to the Bosnian U21s where he met Vahid Halilhodzic, then manager of PSG. Halilhodzic took him to the French capital but Ibisevic was soon loaned to Ligue 2 side Dijon where he, tata!, started cutting the mustard. Alemannia Aachen took a chance on him and were soon relegated. The step back proved a blessing. Ibisevic caught Rangnick’s eye in the second division and was bought in 2007. Hoffenheim, backed by Dietmar Hopp’s millions, made him an offer he couldn’t refuse.

Not conclusive by any means – there’s no doubt evidence to the contrary from his earlier career. But his reputation is for sage selection of players ‘under the radar’. That’s no bad thing in Liverpool’s current context.

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He’s been around a while – how does he cope when things don’t go quite so well?

Hoffenheim’s meteoric rise through the German league pyramid culminated with their topping the league at the winter break – an achievement given the tag “Autumn Champions”. But by the end of the season, as Rafael Hoenigstein says, they were “officially the worst autumn champions in the history of the Bundesliga”.

Why did the wheels come off in their title challenging season? Hoenigstein summed it up as follows: “inflated egos, infighting and injuries”. You might also add “indiscipline”. So why didn’t Rangnick manage these things more effectively?
Well, managers need to learn. It’s maybe a by-product of the policy the club followed – to hire kids. To neglect the aspect that keeps them honest and professional, and that keeps their feet on the ground, is a potential time bomb. But while other managers may consciously look after that side of things, other more institutionalised clubs with a focus on youth (Ajax being the most obvious example historically) have established cultures that ensure nobody gets above their station. At Hoffenheim, Rangnick had to work with his colleagues to effectively build the club from scratch. That’s something different. And it’s interesting to note that he always worked on their psychological state – he was constantly working to instil confidence in his charges. In the process, maybe he created a few problems for himself.

Hoenigstein casts light on how Rangnick responded when the wheels started to come off.

“Rangnick had adopted drastic measures. The team holed up in a training camp in the Black Forest but the fabled spirit… that was said to have been instrumental in their promotion campaign… failed to materialise.
…”We won’t pack it in now but keep working hard in training until every single player improves… it’s all a matter of the head.” [The club captain], however, thinks that one or two egos might have gotten too big. “I feel that everybody is playing their own game, trying to look good,” said the 28-year-old. “We’ve stopped helping each other out and running for each other. A few people think they are superstars. The team spirit is broken.”

Rangnick, too, has complained that his team have been infected by this kind of Christiano Ronaldoism over the winter break. “For months, they would read how brilliant they are,” he said in February. “They were treated like pop stars and photographed like models. Sudenly, the media were interested in the girlfiend’s handbags. One or two players found it difficult to concentrate on the relevant things.

So was Rangnick naive? Clearly he knew what was needed, but he felt powerless to control it. Is this something that’s controllable? That’s a massive question that’s beyond the scope of this piece – but it’s worth bearing in mind when you think of how Rangnick’s work would translate elsewhere.

You wonder if he learned from the experience. The article continues with a wonderful point. “As an overtly technical, attacking outfit built in the image of Arsenal, they need confidence and routine to hit their stride.” As such, whoever manages that kind of outfit needs to actively manage the team’s mentality, confidence, and overall state of mind – both individually and collectively. Sure – there are some things you can’t control – but you control the controllables.
Injuries? Well, if you play an intense brand of football you need as good a medical department as you can muster (apparently LFC enjoys this), and you need young, athletic, motivated players in sufficient numbers to rotate the squad (no matter what the boys on Soccer Saturday or Sunday Supplement might have you believe).

But it’s worth noting that the side lost Ibisevic – the focal point – at the very point in the season when things started going wrong. (Or should I say, ‘less right’ – they were, after all, a newly promoted team – that’s easy to forget.)

Would Rangnick Work Within The New LFC Structure?

This is a key question. Liverpool’s new structure isn’t to every manager’s taste, and Rangnick hasn’t really worked in that kind of ‘subordinate’ manager’s role for a few years. When asked what underpinned Hoffenheim’s progress, he replies as follows.

Rangnick… names four key areas: the primacy of young players, a long-term vision, an emphasis on man-management and his role as the sole leader of the club.

‘We wanted to build success, win promotion in the next one to four years, and have a team with the quality to play in the first division. Also, senior players like Copado and Selim Teber [who captained the team into Bundesliga 2] may have been overhauled by the young players, but they are still important emotionally. Leading the team emotionally is key, rather than just giving commandments. I’ve been with Arsenal twice – two-and-a-half and four years ago – in their pre-season training camp in Austria. There you could see ArsËne. Of course he’s the boss. But there are staff around who give his players the chance to develop.

‘Finally, it’s a different system here than in England where, in the big clubs at least, the manager is strong. In Germany you have the head coach, but also at least two other strong figures. It is only us and maybe Wolfsburg, with Felix Magath, who have the manager system.’

So – it’s not an obvious fit. Would he be happy working in a more ‘collegiate’ way? Commoli seems to want to be complementary to the manager in Hodgson’s case, and is punctilious on that front – always taking care not to undermine his authority. Would Rangnick be happy to work in that environment?

Worth a punt?

Honestly? At 6/1 I’m going to have a few quid on him being the next long-term Liverpool manager. That’s not to say he’s my first choice by any means – I’m a big fan of Coyle, for example, and I’m intrigued by other options being mooted such as Vilas Boas, Klopp and Laudrup. I just think that, set against the backdrop of FSG and Commoli’s approach, they might feel he’s a good fit.

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Re: Roy to be sacked & Dion Fanning article
« Reply #2298 on: January 4, 2011, 02:31:58 am »
He'll be gone if we lose at the weekend I reckon. We'll be out of everything other than Europe then, and if I'm completely honest that FA Cup tie could end up being a walkover for the mancs. Quite how FSG plan on dealing with the unbelievable reaction to that if it happens I don't know, but it won't be pretty.

It's so unbelievably frustrating though, because I can't help but dream about how incredible it would be to take 10,000 to that shithole with Kenny in charge. The passion on show would be something godlike.




Can't agree more with the bit I've highlighted.  There's no way we'd come away with anything less than a draw and we'd definitely do them in the replay ..... if Kenny was in charge.

But as it stands, NESV seem to be hesitating (part of me understands why - don't want to rush in and 'make do' again with an O'Neill or similar, part of me says - CARETAKER please) But in doing so, they are jeopardising our chances of some silverware this season, not to mention the massive shot in the arm a win over the Mancs in the cup would bring to our whole club.
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« Reply #2299 on: January 4, 2011, 02:37:29 am »
Rangnick sounds like a German Benitez, no?

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« Reply #2300 on: January 4, 2011, 03:28:35 am »
Am guessing he's still here....

Can we do an exchange? World Class Hodgson for Crock up Aquilani?

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« Reply #2301 on: January 4, 2011, 07:59:21 am »
PE teacher? From the vintage when medicine balls were in fashion.  :butt :butt

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« Reply #2302 on: January 4, 2011, 09:09:34 am »
Indeed.  A Purlsow listee.  Before Roy's time that though in fairness.

Let's be fair.  I think even Roy has realised that he was royally sold down the river by Purslow in the summer and has recognised that Lucas can be a valuable player for him.  I am sure that he is delighted that he is not off pulling up trees elsewhere like Aquilani.

How many weeks did Roy have to assess Aquilani and Lucas for himself? I seem to remember it was quite a few and he was initially rather complimentary about them, before - we have since seen this as a pattern - apparently changing his mind. In Lucas's case, he subsequently was able to change his mind again, but with Aquilani no such luck. This is one of the central problems with him. How are we, as supporters, supposed to trust his judgement if he is so unable to form it in the first place.

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« Reply #2303 on: January 4, 2011, 09:10:37 am »
Fuck me a PE teacher is incharge of Liverpool

reckon if the players forget there kit they have to train in vest and pants ;D
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« Reply #2304 on: January 4, 2011, 09:25:32 am »
How many weeks did Roy have to assess Aquilani and Lucas for himself? I seem to remember it was quite a few and he was initially rather complimentary about them, before - we have since seen this as a pattern - apparently changing his mind. In Lucas's case, he subsequently was able to change his mind again, but with Aquilani no such luck. This is one of the central problems with him. How are we, as supporters, supposed to trust his judgement if he is so unable to form it in the first place.

It would be interesting to know who leaked the story to djphal that Lucas and Aquilani were lazy in training. I'm absolutely certain this had nothing to do with their training performance as such, but was a leak to smear the players and prepare the fans for their departure. I originally attributed it to Purslow, but the continued leaks even after his ostensible removal from power makes me think it was Hodgson's modus operandi.
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« Reply #2305 on: January 4, 2011, 09:36:32 am »
It would be interesting to know who leaked the story to djphal that Lucas and Aquilani were lazy in training. I'm absolutely certain this had nothing to do with their training performance as such, but was a leak to smear the players and prepare the fans for their departure. I originally attributed it to Purslow, but the continued leaks even after his ostensible removal from power makes me think it was Hodgson's modus operandi.
Of course it was. Lucas was playing in Gerrard's and Cole's preferred position remember.

Hodgson is still getting an easy ride c/o Cecil the snake sadly. He was equally culpable in allowing AA to return to Italy, although I blame Purslow for enabling it on such unbelievably incompetent terms, with the OFC just happy to be able to spend £5m on Poulsen in return from Juve.
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« Reply #2306 on: January 4, 2011, 09:40:13 am »
Seriously why he hasn't been sacked yet? FSG sack him before it's too late.

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« Reply #2307 on: January 4, 2011, 09:45:07 am »
Of course it was. Lucas was playing in Gerrard's and Cole's preferred position remember.

Hodgson is still getting an easy ride c/o Cecil the snake sadly. He was equally culpable in allowing AA to return to Italy, although I blame Purslow for enabling it on such unbelievably incompetent terms, with the OFC just happy to be able to spend £5m on Poulsen in return from Juve.

Also the case of Insua, who was frozen out of the squad towards the end of the summer. The Fiorentina affair I put squarely on Purslow, as it was begun before Hodgson was appointed. Insua being given a marginal squad number after his original number was given to Wilson, I could also accept. But then to have even that taken away, when there weren't any firm offers for him, and when the player hadn't been making trouble or wanting away, I put at the feet of Hodgson. The first team manager decides who should be in the first team squad, so Insua's removal was the responsibility of Hodgson. Or else Hodgson did nothing about a non-football man deciding who should and shouldn't be in the squad. In which case, what kind of a first team manager was he? I was prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt before that, but that episode confirmed for me he was a dud.
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« Reply #2308 on: January 4, 2011, 09:53:15 am »
Adam Crozier

Interesting suggestion. Successful business man, still relatively young and has experience of football. Hard to say he was a failure at the FA, given their well known record for resisting change to the death, infighting and vested interests.

He's often cited in footballing circles as being an autocrat though. Would that appeal FSG and their "consensus" approach? Also just recently been hired by ITV.

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« Reply #2309 on: January 4, 2011, 09:54:54 am »
no no no no no, not him, I worked for the royal mail when he was in charge, it went from a great place to work to a nightmare in a matter of weeks.
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« Reply #2310 on: January 4, 2011, 10:02:58 am »
no no no no no, not him, I worked for the royal mail when he was in charge, it went from a great place to work to a nightmare in a matter of weeks.

As the old saying goes, "shit rolls down hill".

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« Reply #2311 on: January 4, 2011, 11:45:51 am »
Rangnick sounds like a German Benitez, no?

Sounds like a character off Hagar the Horrible to me.
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« Reply #2312 on: January 4, 2011, 01:12:36 pm »
Maybe we will see some movement on this now. Presumably any change in manager would need to go through the Premier League and this is the first day back after bank holidays.

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« Reply #2313 on: January 4, 2011, 01:18:05 pm »
Though I agree with the poster above, the sight of Dalglish making the long walk from your tunnel to our dugout would have an incredibly galvanising impact on our support and team.
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« Reply #2314 on: January 4, 2011, 01:23:47 pm »
Although I'm a United fan, I've a lot of respect for Kenny Dalglish. Personally, I'd rather him start off as manager with an easier game. Yes, United haven't been any great shakes this season but I would hate to see Kenny begin his 'reign' with a loss (which is very possible, given that it's an away game for Liverpool and their form hasn't been very good). I think Kenny deserves to begin with a home match, and this would benefit the team greatly - the fantastic, positive atmosphere would surely make the players raise their game.

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« Reply #2315 on: January 4, 2011, 01:26:28 pm »
Rangnick would relish Liverpool job
Tuesday, 4 January 2011 13:19



Former Hoffenheim coach Ralf Rangnick would relish the chance to manage a Barclays Premier League club, although there have not yet been any enquiries from Liverpool, according to his agent Oliver Mintzlaff.

The 52-year-old has been linked with replacing Roy Hodgson at Liverpool after leaving the Bundesliga club on New Year's Day, and Mintzlaff has admitted that his client would jump at the chance to further his career in England.

'Ralf Rangnick is very interested in the Premier League and Liverpool is certainly a very interesting club with a great tradition,' he told Press Association Sport.

'Ralf is a great fan of English football and he has followed it a great deal.

'The English Premier League is something which interests him very much, but there have not been any discussions with Liverpool.'


Rangnick left Hoffenheim after four and a half years in charge at the turn of the year due to a difference of opinion with the club's owner Dietmar Hopp.

Hopp, one of the richest men in Germany, appointed the former Stuttgart, Hannover and Schalke coach in 2006 to realise his personal ambitions of turning Hoffenheim into a Bundesliga club within five years.

Rangnick, who had shown his pedigree in the late 1990s by helping to lead Ulm from the third division into the top flight in successive seasons, repeated that feat with Hoffenheim and even took them to the top of the Bundesliga at the midway stage of their maiden season among Germany's elite.

They eventually ended that year in seventh and finished 11th last season.

Rangnick's aim for this year was to lead the club into Europe for the first time, but when one of his key players, Luiz Gustavo, was sold to Bayern Munich against his will and he quickly realised that his objectives were no longer correlating with Hopp's.

'Of course if you don't have any ambition, then you cannot be a football manager,' added Mintzlaff.

'Hoffenheim was an exciting, unique project and he led them into the Bundesliga in only two years, and they were never even close to a relegation berth.

'Now, in the third year in the Bundesliga, it is only understandable that he has the ambition to play in Europe. Unfortunately, his aims and those of Hopp were not entirely compatible.'

Rangnick therefore realised that his dream of managing once again in the Champions League, where he had a brief experience in charge of Schalke in 2005, was unlikely to be fulfilled with Hoffenheim.

He is now waiting for the opportunity to lead a club that shares his own aspirations of competing at the very top.

'After four and a half years (with Hoffenheim), it is only normal that he takes a short pause to catch his breath,' added Mintzlaff. 'But he is, of course, really burning to get a new job.'


A call from England would be a preference, and the language would not be an issue.

After completing his A-Levels in Germany, Rangnick spent a semester studying at the University of Sussex in Brighton and graduated with a degree in English and Sports Studies at Stuttgart University in 1985.

'Of course he speaks English fluently,' confirmed Mintzlaff. 'That would not be a problem.'


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« Reply #2316 on: January 4, 2011, 01:28:53 pm »
all the talk of new managers and we still have the crap one here.........Why bother with all the potential names when

a) shithead is still here
b) the perfect man for the job with the best winning cv is available and sitting in the wirral

theses potentials are smoke screens to keep hodgson till the end of the season and also to make us forget the best qualified man for the job

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« Reply #2317 on: January 4, 2011, 01:32:35 pm »
Would this Rangnick be good?

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« Reply #2318 on: January 4, 2011, 01:42:46 pm »
'We're all behind the boss'
4th Jan 2011 - Latest News

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Fabio Aurelio insists everyone in the Liverpool dressing room is pulling in the same direction to turn our season around.

The Brazilian points to our eleventh-hour victory over Bolton on New Year's Day as proof of the mental strength and togetherness within the ranks.

Now he wants a further illustration when the Reds travel to Ewood Park on Wednesday night looking to improve upon a ninth-place standing in the Barclays Premier League.

"We are all behind the manager and we have to try to get out of this situation together," said Aurelio.

"We all know the coach is the first person to have the pressure on. He tries to make the team play, but it's the players who have to go out on the pitch and do it.

"Hopefully there will be no more setbacks and beating Bolton will be the start of a good run of results.

"We need to play every game at the kind of level we played at on Saturday and try to improve further."

Aurelio added: "There was a lot of pressure on us as we really needed a result. When you are playing for a big team that pressure is always there and we are the first ones to put pressure on ourselves when we are not doing as well as we could.

"The character we showed to come back was good. We left it late but we played better football, created chances and it was a deserved victory.

"The performance was very good. You could see an improvement and that win gives us the confidence to go forward into the next games.

"We've started the New Year well and hopefully we can keep going like this. If we win our two games in hand we could be sixth and things will look better."

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Why do all players seem to be in support of Hodgson? Don't they see what he's doing to our playing style?

Or would it be because they want to appear to be in support of the team (and hence the manager)?
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« Reply #2319 on: January 4, 2011, 01:48:49 pm »
'We're all behind the boss'
4th Jan 2011 - Latest News

Why do all players seem to be in support of Hodgson? Don't they see what he's doing to our playing style?

Or would it be because they want to appear to be in support of the team (and hence the manager)?

Roy is still picking the team so every player who wants to play will support him.
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