Topic: Jordan Henderson

[Djibriliant]

In the pub watching England and Henderson comes on to replace Parker. The pub goes fucking mad. I gurantee that half the pub haven't watched a Liverpool game all season and their reaction is based on what they've read in the papers. You know whole opinion that Henderson is shit and that Parker is world class, when in reality is that he is shite.

I'm just waiting for that moment when Henderson is made the scapegoat for England's failings.

[Johnny Foreigner]

In the pub watching England and Henderson comes on to replace Parker. The pub goes fucking mad. I gurantee that half the pub haven't watched a Liverpool game all season and their reaction is based on what they've read in the papers. You know whole opinion that Henderson is shit and that Parker is world class, when in reality is that he is shite.

I'm just waiting for that moment when Henderson is made the scapegoat for England's failings.

Parker is not shite. He's a decent footballer and currently he is better than Henderson just being a better all round player. Henderson might develop into a better player over the years, but next season we would be better off with parker in the LFC midfield..

[fd1]

I'm just waiting for that moment when Henderson is made the scapegoat for England's failings.

i had a phone call a few minutes after the final whistle last night from two mates on speaker phone, first thing they did was slag off henderson. apparently it's his fault england drew and are an average team due to his 10 minutes on the pitch. impressive.

i'm sure you won't have to wait too long to be enlightened either.

[redmark]

In the pub watching England and Henderson comes on to replace Parker. The pub goes fucking mad. I gurantee that half the pub haven't watched a Liverpool game all season and their reaction is based on what they've read in the papers. You know whole opinion that Henderson is shit and that Parker is world class, when in reality is that he is shite.

I'm just waiting for that moment when Henderson is made the scapegoat for England's failings.

Watched the second half in a pub in Luton (which is an experience*...), place booed when Henderson came on - but nice to see the few Liverpool fans (probably not regular matchgoers) all gave him a cheer and round of applause rather than booing with the rest.

(* The last 10 minutes featured 'There were 10 German bombers in the air... but the RAF from England shot them down'. Utterly bizarre song I've never heard before (I don't watch a lot of England games in pubs any more), though strangely fitting for the sort of ultra-deep, supposedly "brave" defending England seem to specialise in.)

[helmboy_nige]

In the pub watching England and Henderson comes on to replace Parker. The pub goes fucking mad. I gurantee that half the pub haven't watched a Liverpool game all season and their reaction is based on what they've read in the papers. You know whole opinion that Henderson is shit and that Parker is world class, when in reality is that he is shite.

I'm just waiting for that moment when Henderson is made the scapegoat for England's failings.

My biggest worry in the Euros is that if England fail it will be Liverpools fault as half the squad are from our club and if England are even moderately successful the Liverpool were "stupid" for sacking the genius that is Roy Hodgson.

I don't agree with you on Parker.  while I think he is heavily overhyped by the media he is a better player than Henderson currently.

I don't get the Henderson hate... particularly from Liverpool fans, but hopefully he'll dig in and prove the haters and doubters wrong.

[Hazell]

Watched the second half in a pub in Luton (which is an experience*...), place booed when Henderson came on - but nice to see the few Liverpool fans (probably not regular matchgoers) all gave him a cheer and round of applause rather than booing with the rest.

Why would you boo your own players? Utterly bizarre.

[Grobbelrevell]

The last 10 minutes featured 'There were 10 German bombers in the air... but the RAF from England shot them down'. Utterly bizarre song I've never heard before (I don't watch a lot of England games in pubs any more), though strangely fitting for the sort of ultra-deep, supposedly "brave" defending England seem to specialise in.

I shared a hostel in Australia a couple of years ago with a Palace fan, proper Londoner and big England supporter. One night a German family (with young children) arrived and he spent the next half an hour or so singing this at them. There were also a number of Germans staying long term in the hostel with us. I have to say that was one of the most awkward, cringeworthy moments of my life to date, to the point where I actually felt compelled to apologise despite having done nothing myself.

[Jake]

Some of you lot make me sick, slating Henderson after the young lad has bust a gut for the club in his first season, is the ultimate professional, and displayed some real composure.

Also, who gives a fuck what he does for England? Its what he does for Liverpool that matters, he could score 10 goals or 10 own goals for John Terry FC XI and I couldn't give a shit.

The media and other team's fans are mainly c*nts, looks like some of you are too.

[KirkVanHouten]

I would believe Xavi also play the odd pass before the assist which you correctly are praising Henderson for..

I hope I haven't misunderstood your post but that was exactly what I meant, that not every pass has to be an assist to be useful and Xavi's the perfect example of that.

[Hazell]

Reminds me of the shit Lucas used to get. Remember Alan Green commentating once saying something to the effect of he can't see what Lucas does in matches or what he adds to the team.

I remember that as well. And last season he was doing the same to Henderson during the Blackburn game at Ewood park (and apparently during the Arsenal game at Anfield - my cousin mentioned it and of course, like most, took Green's word as gospel). I really don't get why the BBC employ the likes of him and Lawrenson, all they do is whinge about anything and everything. When it comes to the scapegoat of the week it's much worse. Henderson's assumed that mantle right now unfortunately.

[stewy17]

I'm made up he's been selected for his country, can only be a positive experience for him. I also believe he's going to play for LFC for a long time.

I plan to support him and hope he flourishes under our support.

As far as I'm concerned anyone who a) can't see his potential and b) isn't prepared to support a 22 year old lad who has had one full season at a club with a lot of pressure and a big price tag, is a bit of a bellend isn't even worth entering into a debate with.

[Tytch]

Anyone notice, a few minutes after Jordan came on he started bombing down the middle expecting an early ball from Hart, Stevie G could be seen shouting him and waving him back, telling him to get back into a more defensive position no doubt, was quite funny to watch

[Grobbelrevell]

Anyone notice, a few minutes after Jordan came on he started bombing down the middle expecting an early ball from Hart, Stevie G could be seen shouting him and waving him back, telling him to get back into a more defensive position...

The Hodgson Way.

[KirkVanHouten]

In the pub watching England and Henderson comes on to replace Parker. The pub goes fucking mad. I gurantee that half the pub haven't watched a Liverpool game all season and their reaction is based on what they've read in the papers. You know whole opinion that Henderson is shit and that Parker is world class, when in reality is that he is shite.

I'm just waiting for that moment when Henderson is made the scapegoat for England's failings.

It won't just be him Gerrard, Johnson and even Downing and Carroll will get it in the neck. Why blame Hodgson for the turgid football when you can sink the boot into Liverpool players.

[Jake]

Anyone notice the "Lucas on Yaya" esque tackle that he put in and cleanly won the ball, only to be blown up for a foul.

We all (rightly so) suck Lucas off for his, yet Hendo doesn't get as much as a courtesy lick.

[Jmknight86]

Watched the second half in a pub in Luton (which is an experience*...), place booed when Henderson came on - but nice to see the few Liverpool fans (probably not regular matchgoers) all gave him a cheer and round of applause rather than booing with the rest.

(* The last 10 minutes featured 'There were 10 German bombers in the air... but the RAF from England shot them down'. Utterly bizarre song I've never heard before (I don't watch a lot of England games in pubs any more), though strangely fitting for the sort of ultra-deep, supposedly "brave" defending England seem to specialise in.)

I had exactly the same experience in a pub in Portsmouth including that bomber song! Angered me when people boo'd Jordan I just cheered as loud as I possibly could.

[The G in Gerrard]

Some shameful stuff being said against Henderson on here, he may not be as good as Fabregas was at that age but I'd rather he started for us than some of the players we currently have.

[Djibriliant]

It won't just be him Gerrard, Johnson and even Downing and Carroll will get it in the neck. Why blame Hodgson for the turgid football when you can sink the boot into Liverpool players.

I'd say Gerrard and possibly Johnson are above criticism in these circumstances.

The whole Ferdinand not being selected scenario and they way it has been built up, there are easier targets to place the blame on. Henderson for obvious reasons, Downing again for obvious reasons with the whole 'no assists and no goals' headline and Martin Kelly for being 'a reserve player for the 8th best team in England' bollocks. It's frustrating. The best we can hope for is England having a succesful tournament and going out in a respectable fashion. The last thing the players need is the media jumping onto their backs before a ball has been kicked next season.

[Henry Gale]

Some of you lot make me sick, slating Henderson after the young lad has bust a gut for the club in his first season, is the ultimate professional, and displayed some real composure.

Also, who gives a fuck what he does for England? Its what he does for Liverpool that matters, he could score 10 goals or 10 own goals for John Terry FC XI and I couldn't give a shit.

The media and other team's fans are mainly c*nts, looks like some of you are too.

If he was slated then it was due to a poor performance. I would hardly say he busted a gut and he is paid very very well for what he does so lets not all start slitting our wrists over it just yet.

Just because you don't give a shit how he does for England I can tell you now Jordan does, If he has a good Euro's he will come back full of confidence for next season which will benefit Liverpool.

[whtwht]

 I heard alot of groans at work when he was about to come on for Parker . I hope he goes on to prove them all wrong

[Jake]

If he was slated then it was due to a poor performance. I would hardly say he busted a gut and he is paid very very well for what he does so lets not all start slitting our wrists over it just yet.

Just because you don't give a shit how he does for England I can tell you now Jordan does, If he has a good Euro's he will come back full of confidence for next season which will benefit Liverpool.

You're saying Jordan only ever gets slated for poor performances? And not because of the pricetag/playing for us/Fordy etc? I disagree.

I'm glad you can tell me that, I assumed Jordan just went for the cheap hooch. Of course I want him to do well and gain confidence, but if he could play with confidence without having to play for that set of clowns I'd much prefer it.

[Cpt_Reina]

There's no point in getting het up about it. England fans will never appreciate Henderson.

He's just not fashionable enough for them. Both in terms of who he is himself and his style of play.

Lacks the flashness of Gerrard or Lampard and the 'body on the line' shite that Parker provides.

Henderson finds himself between the two extremes, and so will forever be seen as being middling and boring. Just like multiple league winning Carrick and current league champion Barry. Both of which tend to be seen as boring 'shite' players.

[JohnHobbes]

There's no point in getting het up about it. England fans will never appreciate Henderson.

He's just not fashionable enough for them. Both in terms of who he is himself and his style of play.

Lacks the flashness of Gerrard or Lampard and the 'body on the line' shite that Parker provides.

Henderson finds himself between the two extremes, and so will forever be seen as being middling and boring. Just like multiple league winning Carrick and current league champion Barry. Both of which tend to be seen as boring 'shite' players.

The best midfielders just get on with their job and do it right. They get appreciated by players and fans who can see past the need for flamboyance for the sake of it. Hamann being a great example.

Body on the line defending suggests you were in the wrong place to do a tackle/block in a simpler way. Flashy play works some of the time and not all the time, better to work percentages and keep the ball rather than try flashy and lose it unnecessarily.

There is no perfect model that would fit all roles, I'm sure there is a quote out there about needing 9 water carriers and 2 stars to make a team work. Shame the non-stars don't get the credit they deserve

[Henry Gale]

You're saying Jordan only ever gets slated for poor performances? And not because of the pricetag/playing for us/Fordy etc? I disagree.

I'm glad you can tell me that, I assumed Jordan just went for the cheap hooch. Of course I want him to do well and gain confidence, but if he could play with confidence without having to play for that set of clowns I'd much prefer it.

Well unfortenetly we always get the odd supporter who slates a player regardless, There's probably a Liverpool fan out there who slates Suarez week in week out.  I agree we can't slate Jordan because of his price tag as he didn't choose it we did, It's not his fault we paid more than he's worth and maybe more than he's ever going to be worth but that remains to be seen.

I would prefer it if none of our players played international football, I just love Suarez going to the other side of the world to play a silly friendly but it's part of the game I suppose.

[oojason]

If you're in the pub watching the game with typical middle-England 'fans' then try and remember this is what you're up against...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIWOhisqrP8

(can also be extrapolated to footy in general too )

[Z e u s]

Anyone notice the "Lucas on Yaya" esque tackle that he put in and cleanly won the ball, only to be blown up for a foul.

We all (rightly so) suck Lucas off for his, yet Hendo doesn't get as much as a courtesy lick.

His tackling is improving all the time.

[Stevie93]

Anyone notice the "Lucas on Yaya" esque tackle that he put in and cleanly won the ball, only to be blown up for a foul.

We all (rightly so) suck Lucas off for his, yet Hendo doesn't get as much as a courtesy lick.

He should never have needed to make that tackle.

[Jake]

He should never have needed to make that tackle.

We shouldn't have needed to come back from 3 goals down on the 25th of May 2005 but we did. Give some fucking praise where its due.

[arcticus]

Anyone notice the "Lucas on Yaya" esque tackle that he put in and cleanly won the ball, only to be blown up for a foul.

We all (rightly so) suck Lucas off for his, yet Hendo doesn't get as much as a courtesy lick.

The ref was a complete tool yesterday

[KirkVanHouten]

There's no point in getting het up about it. England fans will never appreciate Henderson.

He's just not fashionable enough for them. Both in terms of who he is himself and his style of play.

Lacks the flashness of Gerrard or Lampard and the 'body on the line' shite that Parker provides.

Henderson finds himself between the two extremes, and so will forever be seen as being middling and boring. Just like multiple league winning Carrick and current league champion Barry. Both of which tend to be seen as boring 'shite' players.

I completely agree with you mate.

However, I couldn't really give a shit about whether some Crystal Palace supporting, gobshite England supporter thinks of him, because they usually just believe what they read in the papers. It bothers me when he cops it from Liverpool supporters who've supposedly to seen him play every week and proclaim he's 'crap'.

[KirkVanHouten]

We shouldn't have needed to come back from 3 goals down on the 25th of May 2005 but we did. Give some fucking praise where its due.

Well played mate, that was brilliantly put.

[KirkVanHouten]

The best midfielders just get on with their job and do it right. They get appreciated by players and fans who can see past the need for flamboyance for the sake of it. Hamann being a great example.

Body on the line defending suggests you were in the wrong place to do a tackle/block in a simpler way. Flashy play works some of the time and not all the time, better to work percentages and keep the ball rather than try flashy and lose it unnecessarily.

There is no perfect model that would fit all roles, I'm sure there is a quote out there about needing 9 water carriers and 2 stars to make a team work. Shame the non-stars don't get the credit they deserve

Not sure if this is the one you mean but it reminded me of what Shanks said:

"A football team is like a piano. You need eight men to carry it and three who can play the damn thing."

[Frizzo]

Legend as a player, embarassment as a 'pundit'.

Hard to say it, but quite the opposite can be said for Gary Neville.

[JohnHobbes]

Not sure if this is the one you mean but it reminded me of what Shanks said:

"A football team is like a piano. You need eight men to carry it and three who can play the damn thing."

Thanks. That's the one

[JohnHobbes]

He should never have needed to make that tackle.

It was a very good tackle but a very pedantic (at least as far as English players were concerned) ref.

[Stevie93]

It was a very good tackle but a very pedantic (at least as far as English players were concerned) ref.

No, the tackle was fine. Fantastic actually. I was trying to say that he would never have needed to make the tackle had he not let Ribery breeze past him.

[Sangria]

Anyone notice the "Lucas on Yaya" esque tackle that he put in and cleanly won the ball, only to be blown up for a foul.

We all (rightly so) suck Lucas off for his, yet Hendo doesn't get as much as a courtesy lick.

Macca888-esque.

[JohnHobbes]

No, the tackle was fine. Fantastic actually. I was trying to say that he would never have needed to make the tackle had he not let Ribery breeze past him.

Ah, well I don't recall that bit so I can't comment. Fair enough if you're correct. Was getting a bit bored towards the end and it was only Jordan's arrival on scene that woke me up some.

[Coady]

In the pub watching England and Henderson comes on to replace Parker. The pub goes fucking mad. I gurantee that half the pub haven't watched a Liverpool game all season and their reaction is based on what they've read in the papers. You know whole opinion that Henderson is shit and that Parker is world class, when in reality is that he is shite.

I'm just waiting for that moment when Henderson is made the scapegoat for England's failings.

You moan that people think that Henderson is shit, then you yourself say that Parker is shit, the irony of it.

[SP]

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